Talk:Alt Llobregat insurrection

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Nominator: Grnrchst (talk · contribs) 12:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 03:21, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

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7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Image review

• File:Alt Llobregat insurrection.svg: a reference to a reliable source is needed at Commons.
• File:Domingo Batet en 1931.jpg: the source is a dead link at Commons; US PD tag is needed at Commons. Borsoka (talk) 03:35, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Provided reference for the map; removed the photo of Batet, as its US public domain status isn't certain. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:05, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

• Alba, Schwartz (1988); Bookchin (1978); Casanova (2010); Christie (2008); Evans (2018); Gómez Casas (1986); Paz (2006); Ealham (2015); Herrerín (2020): why are the book chapters mentioned?
• Delete the place of publication at Paz (2006), or add the same information at each books cited.
• Academic sources of high standard (among them a monography about the insurrection) are cited. Borsoka (talk) 03:35, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to reference specific chapters to make verification a bit easier, but I can remove them if they're distracting. Deleted publication place for Paz. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• No need for chapters. I think pages make the verification easy. Borsoka (talk) 01:29, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Removed chapter references. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• References 1, 26 are checked.

Please quote the texts verifying the following sentences:

• In the Valencian city of Villena, the novelist Pío Baroja proclaimed that the Republic had killed more people in a few months than the monarchy had in forty years.
• Despite Azaña's orders, the government forces in central Catalonia would come under the command of infantry commander Humberto Gil Cabrera, who moved to end the insurrection with little bloodshed.
• On the day the ship left port, deputies of the Republican Left of Catalonia (ERC) requested that the government commute the deportation sentences.
• At this time, leaders of the social movements which the treintistas had sought to control were already preparing for another insurrection. Borsoka (talk) 03:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Pio Baroja, one of the best known novelists of the Generación del '98, said on 5 February in Villena: "As far as repression and violence go, the months we have had of the Republic have produced more dead on the streets of our cities than forty years of the monarchy." (Christie 2008, p. 128)
  • Fortunately for the workers, the government forces in the Alto Llobregat were commanded by one Humberto Gil Cabrera, who did not share Azaña’s bloodthirsty aversion for the CNT. In this region, at least, the army’s repression was not notable for its severity. (Bookchin 1978, p. 244)
  • The ship finally weighed anchor on 10 February from the port of Barcelona with 104 prisoners aboard. In parliament on the same day, the Catalan deputies of the federalist minority requested that the sentences of deportations be commuted. (Casanova 2005, pp. 66-67)
  • "Finally, the experience of January 1932 served to strengthen the position of the ‘treintistas’. ‘The defensive potential of the bourgeoisie and of the state means that the working class must develop its own potential to the full. Confronted by two powerful and cohesive forces, it would be an error, as costly as that which is currently being paid, to present a dispersed, incoherent and atomised line of battle.’ The alternative for the working class was ‘a joint action involving the totality of the organisation’. In order for this to happen, it was necessary as ‘a matter of life and death, that the CNT should be in control of the various movements’. It did not control them and even less so did it control their leaders. Some of those leaders would be involved a year later in a new insurrection. (Casanova 2005, pp. 68-69)

  --Grnrchst (talk) 10:47, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• Introduce the Pact of San Sebastián with two or three words.
• Could you avoid to use the term bourgeoisie? For me, it is not neutral.
• Capitalise "interior ministry".
• While the government passed its constitution,... I am not sure that I understand.
• ...workers had proclaimed... Why past perfect?
• ...surrounding the Civil Guard... The Civil Guard or the Civil Guard unit?
• Introduce Tierra y Libertad.
• Introduce Sometent.
• ...coordinated workers' patrols of the town's streets... Rephrase (I am not sure what it means: did they disarm coordinated workers' patrols or did they coordinate workers' patrols, etc)
• Introduce Borderias.
• {xt|In the regional capital of Manresa...}} Repetition.
• In the first indication to the outside world that the strike had escalated into an insurrection,... Rephrase.
• No looting or killing took place during the insurrection, which occurred entirely bloodlessly. ... After members of the Civil Guard were fired at and injured,... Contradiction.
• Azaña concluded his remarks by claiming that the insurrection had been directed by foreign agents... Is there any sign of foreign involvement?
• Introduce Peirats.
• Introduce Gil Cabrera.
• ...the regional capital of Manresa... Repetition.
• ...tried their hands at revolution... Rephrase.
• Introduce the Ascaso, Jover and Vila Capdevila.
• I have not read section "Aftermath", but I think it is too long. Could you shorten it by 10-15 percent? Borsoka (talk) 04:11, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Removed reference to the pact; Paz doesn't go into why they thought it broke the pact, and it's really not so important to the story of the insurrection.
• Neutralised non-quoted mentions of bourgeoisie.
• Capitalised.
• Clarified to "While the government ratified the constitution"
• Changed to "workers proclaimed".
• Clarified to "Civil Guards".
• Introduced.
• Introduced.
• Clarified.
• Introduced.
• Cut repetition of introduction.
• Rearranged sentence.
• Resolved contradiction.
• No, there was no sign of foreign involvement. This is just something that Azaña claimed in order to justify its suppression.
• Introduced.
• Introduced.
• Cut repetition.
• Cut everything after the January 1933 insurrection, as it over-contextualises the aftermath. This alone accounted for about 10-15%.

--Grnrchst (talk) 11:27, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• The issue of the Alt Llobregat insurrection... Delete "issue of the Alt Llobregat".
• Explain "faistas".
• ..."dispersed, incoherent and atomised line of battle" Name the quote's source.
• Introduce La Revista Blanca.
• Explain Quixotism.
• Introduce Montseny, García Oliver
• (Lead): ..., all without any violence taking place It contradicts the main text. Borsoka (talk) 01:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Deleted
  • Explained
  • Quote is already attributed to the treintistas. Cited source doesn't provide a specific name, only that it was published in Cultura Libertaria.
  • Introduced.
  • Explained.
  • Introduced.
  • Changed "violence" to "killing".

  --Grnrchst (talk) 10:45, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I again enjoyed reviewing your article. Borsoka (talk) 12:34, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that in January 1932, a miners' strike in the small town of Fígols escalated into the region-wide Alt Llobregat insurrection?

• ALT1: ... that the Alt Llobregat insurrection took place without any looting or killing? Source: Casanova, Julián (2005). Preston, Paul (ed.). Anarchism, the Republic and Civil War in Spain: 1931–1939. Translated by Dowling, Andrew; Pollok, Graham. Routledge. p. 65. ISBN 0-415-32095-X.
• ALT2: ... that over 100 anarchist activists were deported after the Alt Llobregat insurrection, despite many of them not having participated in it? Source: Evans, Danny (2018). Revolution and the State: Anarchism in the Spanish Civil War, 1936–1939. Routledge. p. 8. ISBN 978-1-138-06314-3.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Honey Revenge

Grnrchst (talk) 09:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]

• Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Overall: Really nice work here. Newly promoted GA, looks good. AGF on the sources for the hooks. Either of the hooks should work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:13, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]