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The following sentence is only partially supported by the cited source: In the 21st century, the Ivorian economy still relies heavily on agriculture, with smallholder cash-crop production predominating.[1]

The source says Cote d'Ivoire is heavily dependent on agriculture and related activities, which engage roughly two-thirds of the population. The source does not use the phrase "cash crops", but it talks about cocoa beans... coffee and palm oil, which are cash crops, so the phrase is supported.

I do not see how the source supports "smallholder" in smallholder cash-crop production predominating.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:01, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Move to Côte d'Ivoire

Not for nothing but did any of the above editors in the above votes actually look at the relevant data?

Per Google Ngram, Côte d'Ivoire is the WP:COMMON WP:ENGLISH name of the place now and has been for several years. — LlywelynII 23:59, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

The reasoning given by many of the above commenters seemed to be to oppose the move on principle simply because of the government decree, with the assumption that "Ivory Coast" must of course be the most common name. It's arrogant, not supported by the evidence, and exactly the kind of rubbish that we used to see at articles on Chinese topics with Pinyin. It's pretty disheartening to see. Theknightwho (talk) 17:39, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
I suspect the best course of action is not call for a new request to change until July/August, but, in the meantime improve notes e and f and prepare your arguments. Emphasize what weighty news sources like The Economist or academic style guides recommend using it (but find good references). I note the relatively recent move of Kiev → Kyiv might give some insights. --Erp (talk) 03:22, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Just throwing in my two cents having come here on the back of recommending that Turkey be moved to Türkiye - we should respect a country's right to determine their own name. Felixsv7 (talk) 09:16, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
That argument will be needed to be taken up at Wikipedia talk:Article titles, not here. CMD (talk) 09:27, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
We should honestly revive this if possible. AG202 (talk) 13:47, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Googling Côte d'Ivoire yields about 206,000,000 results, Googling Ivory Coast yields about 167,000,000 results. This might not be expert linguists research or anything, but this is another very simple indicator that Côte d'Ivoire is now the common name as well as the preferred name. 75.164.37.9 (talk) 05:37, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
It's certainly a helpful glistening sign as to which of the two is more popular, but regardless, an ebb back to Côte d'Ivoire will require a discussion vote (proposal? discourse? RFQ? debate? What do they call the voting discussion things here...), as the original flow towards the English name of "Ivory Coast" was the result of one of those. From what I can tell, "Côte d'Ivoire" is omnipresent in governmental websites and academic organizations, but much more droughted in mainstream media, where "Ivory Coast" has more of a presence. Do-Droppy (talk) 13:37, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Côte d'Ivoire". The World Factbook. CIA Directorate of Intelligence. 30 March 2022. Retrieved 16 March 2022.

Traditions

maybe u could add the cultural things they do 79.68.148.4 (talk) 11:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Could you condense that question into something more specific? "Cultural" is a big umbrella term that can contain many different drops of ideas in it. Do you mean recreational things that formed in Turkiye, that later dribbled down into other countries? Do-Droppy (talk) 12:55, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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Requesting for this page to be moved to Côte d'Ivoire on 4/23, 2023

This was opened in April, likely intended as an RM. Since then it has attracted sporadic comments over the months in the style of RMs, although if this was an RM it would have closed long ago, and some editors who are interested in the topic may not have commented given there was no formal RM. Continued sporadic comments seem unlikely to lead to much in any direction, so I am boldly closing this without prejudice to an actual RM (keeping in mind all the previous RMs and discussions of course). CMD (talk) 04:34, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

There are some reasons why it should be moved to Côte d'Ivoire:

  • Côte d'Ivoire is more commonly used than Ivory Coast.
  • It's true name is in French.
  • The government of the Republic of the Ivory Coast requested to the international community in 10/1985 that Côte d'Ivoire should be used as the official name of the coastal country in all languages.

Thanks! I wish page could get moved. 108.88.82.1 (talk) 17:12, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

1) Proof? 2) The true name of my country is in English, but you don't see me complaining about it being translated for the French wiki, 3)So? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 20:32, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
"Ivory Coast or Côte d’Ivoire?" by ECA International and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ivory_Coast/Archive_7#Requested_move_26_January_2022 108.88.82.1 (talk) 01:21, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Was there supposed to be a point to this post? Because an article that admits that Ivory Coast's request is rather odd and a link to discussio that decided against your position don't really help your case.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 05:21, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
No it's not. You did not capitalize "Ivory Coast" in the Ngrams seach you linked, which completely invalidates the results. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:55, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
True... if you flip it around and not capitalize côte d'Ivoire you'd get odd results the other way. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:35, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
@Fyunck(click) @Rreagan007 If you compare them fairly, by capitalising both, then Côte d'Ivoire is still in the lead. Theknightwho (talk) 17:51, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
As has been discussed many times before, including a year ago, the WP:COMMONNAME remains Ivory Coast. Sources such as the BBC, CNN, FIFA, and France 24 continue to use Ivory Coast, not Côte d'Ivoire. While the Olympics does use Côte d'Ivoire in an official capacity, sources reporting on it[1][2][3] are still using the English name.
For that reason, as has been the case the last 8 times this was proposed, I oppose this change. Wikipedia's job is not to document things as they officially are, but how they actually are in the modern English-speaking world.
-Asheiou (they/them • talk) 15:49, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Agree: I agree to change Ivory Coast into Côte d'Ivoire because :

. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.215.65.24 (talk) 18:15, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not use official names for article titles, we use the most common name English language name. See WP:COMMONNAME and WP:USEENGLISH. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:53, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

My reasoning: I disagree that "Ivorian" NOT having a link somehow makes the article better. Before I added more, several African & South American country articles linked the demonym to the article with its exact name. Around half the time, it was a redirect to the people (e.g. Peruvian redirects to Peruvians). For countries that don't have an article for the people, the demonym redirects to "Demographics of [country]". (This is before I copied that format for the rest of the African countries.) The Ivorian article has multiple links, letting the reader choose, rather than me dictating by linking to "Demographics of Ivory Coast".   — TARDIS builder✉     •       05:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)