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Cited Influence

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Anyone who has seen the Akira motion picture alone should be able to notice a direct Katsuhiro Otomo influence on Vasquez whether this has actually been cited publicly or otherwise.

Article Rewrite

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Someone needs to rewrite this article. It is horrendous. I would, but I hate this guy. 66.69.43.213 (talk) 15:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mindless Self Indulgence

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So yeh. On 2 seperate occasions I've been told by both Kitty, and Steve Righ? (From MSI) That Jhonen is doing there next albums C.D cover —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.64.121.194 (talk) 21:19, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Go to MSI's website, I personally think it is Jhonen's work. I, most likely, am wrong. 76.254.194.101 (talk) 03:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DA Account

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This could be a simple rumor, but supposedly Jhonen has an account on www.deviantart.com, as Jhonen-V. Could someone look into this? TigerDude 21:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can say with 100% confidence that that is not the DA account of the real Jhonen. Number one, he knows how to spell to the word "too". Number two, he has never and probably would never actually use his own face as an icon/avatar - and he especially would not use such a dated picture. Number three, the signature is EXACTLY the same in every picture - same curve, same size of the letters, same "E", etc., which points to it being 'shopped in. Number four, the style and quality (not as in sketch versus finished, I mean quality as far as the talent of the hand that drew it) varies greatly. One of the drawings looks remarkably like an Aaron Alexovich design or otherwise an official production sketch, another is obviously fanart. This is not Jhonen's DA account, and, as far as I know, he does not have a DA account; rather, it's someone pretending to be Jhonen for kicks. I would report the account to the administrators for identity and art theft. megumi 07:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just call him up and ask, wtf. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.184.201.146 (talk) 05:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eisner Award

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I don't know how to add a citation, but this was mentioned by Dan Vado (President/Founder of SLG) in the 2005 Jhonen feature panel at San Diego Comic Con. Video of this panel can be readily found on youtube. Rubberducky 11:03, 14 October 2006

I don't think we can use YouTube as a source, though... --InShaneee 15:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But the panel itself should be able to be sourced, shouldn't it? I don't think where the video of the panel is hosted should be an issue; I mean, whether it's hosted at a personal website or at YouTube, it's the same video. But if the location of the hosting is a big deal, I can offer to host the videos on my personal webspace - or if video itself can't be cited for whatever really strange reason, I can also type up a transcription. Rubberducky 12:30, 15 October 2006
That's exactly the problem, actually...Wikipedia can't link to content of questionable copyright status, and we have no idea who holds the copyright to that video. --InShaneee 18:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What about the transcription idea, then? Does the questionable copyright status on the original video transfer over to that, as well? Tracking who originally filmed the video would probably be nigh impossible. Maybe I am just ignorant as to the workings of Wikipedia and etc but it seems... very odd to me to not be able to use things that Jhonen is saying, on video, as a source just because we don't know who taped the video. --Rubberducky 21:32, 16 October 2006
I think if you quote from it and then mention it was said in a panel at Comic Con it would be okay, and then people could check for themselves if they had any doubts.--68.35.94.119 01:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would very much like the editor who deleted the passage about the Eisner Award nomination for JTHM to let me know how we can cite the panel - the video of the panel in which Jhonen and Dan are talking - as a source on Wikipedia, so that the information can remain in the article. If the panel video is unable to be cited simply because it is on Youtube, or because we don't know who originally filmed it - which I, personally, think is ridiculous - then please let me know some manner in which the statement can be cited, whether this is through transcription of the entire panel or whether a referral link would be enough. Thank you. Rubberducky 2:10, 24 January 2007

We can link to non-copyrighted YouTube material; I saw the specific policy yesterday, though I didn't bookmark it and lost that page in the mire of policies and guidelines. Given the length of some YouTube videos, it'd be best to also supply the exact quote in article text, so that someone searching through the video knows what he or she is looking forl
NOTE: Unless it's an official on the Eisner Awards committee saying it, or some other official source, then it's not confirmed. A creator or a publisher claiming he was a nominee, as seems to be the case here, is not confirmation. Is that the only evidence?--Tenebrae 18:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the quick response, Tenebrae. According to the dialogue in the panel, it's not so much that JTHM was actually nominated, but rather that it was considered for nomination, but passed over because there was a judge who found the lettering too difficult to read -- does being considered for nomination still require a direct-from-Eisner-people source? While lists of nominees stay around on the internet for awhile, I don't think that lists of almost-nominees do; in this case I would think that Dan as the predisent of SLG would be a viable source, but I'm not well-versed in journalistic practices. Either way, the exact quote from the panel is as follows:
Dan: ... 4 of the 5 panelists who nominate people for Eisner Awards had wanted to nominate Johnny the Homicidal Maniac for Best New Comic. And the fifth judge - I guess it needs to be unanimous - shot them all down simply because he found some of the lettering difficult to read, and said that a comic that should be considered for an award shouldn't be hard to physically read. (This is 20 minutes, 40 seconds into the second part of the panel video, which was originally distributed in three parts. I can time it out compared to the youtube clips if that's needed.)
Again, thanks for your prompt response.Rubberducky 20:33, 24 January 2007

Stick Figure

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This is a pretty good article..BUT: 'His characters are thin to the point of almost being stick figures.' I've got alot of Jhonens work and as far as I can see there arent many stick figures at all (...Not including Happy Noodle Boy). So just wondering if anyone else feels the same... I could be totally wrong though :P Kokiri kid 11:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose a more accurate sentence would be "Jhonen's main characters are often thin to the point of almost beign stick figures." As Johnny, Devi and of course, Happy Noodle Boy are all very thin. In one of the Johnny comics, Johnny mentions that he was called "Noodle Boy" as a kid, for being very skinny. It is unclear whether this has any bearing on Jhonen's own youth. Weenerbunny 18:59, 08 June 2006

Is The Bad Art Collection a TV show? If so, it can be merged with the list in the previous paragraph.

Also, add his date of birth if possible.

Molinari

The Bad Art Collection is actually a small comic-sized book which contains just what the title implies: bad art. 16 pages of... bad art. --Kakosenas 03:29, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hm... isnt his name pronounced Ho-nin Vass-Kezz? Not, Jo-nin? 68.147.195.99 19:31, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It is a hispanic name but only if your speaking in spanish would it be Ho-nin. --BerserkerBen 3 July 2005 15:24 (UTC)
So, should I start pronouncing San José, California to rhyme with rose? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:19, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
To your rebuttal, a rebuttal: So do you pronounce "Los Angeles" like "Los Anheles?" I would say however he chose to pronounce it (introduce himself) would be correct, though personally I don't know how he does.--Lord Shitzu 23:51, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
No, I say "Loss Anjehliss", but I wasn't the one trying to be prescriptive about how the man's name was pronounced. ;) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 15:41, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
All my Spanish speaking relatives (the majority of my relatives) call me "ben-hum-ing" (phonetically written, attempting to at least) while my English speaking relatives call be “ben-ja-men” so please tell me which is the correct pronunciation? If you can do that then we can figure out Jhonen's name. --BerserkerBen 02:09, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Again, *I* was not the one being prescriptive about pronunciation. *I* am making no statements about "correct" pronunciation, *you* were. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 19:16, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with that argument is that you assume that just because he is a Mexican-American that his first name is automatically Spanish, and should be pronounced as such. It's "Jo-Nehn". And the last name would be pronounced "Bass-kes(with the S trailing into a light 'z')" in Mexican Spanish.

In an interview on G4's "ScreenSavers", the announcer pronounced his name "yo-hawn". Jhonen corrected this by saying, "It is jo-nen, by the way. I hate you, whoever said that." So, regardless of how his name was originally intended to be pronounced, Jhonen prefers jo-nen. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.51.251 (talk • contribs)

According to Spookyland/Roman-
Jhonen (pronounced: Joe-nen)
- YES you pronounce the "J", and it's a hard "J" (like "joke" or "job")
- The "H" is silent (like "ghost" and "rhyme")
- The "E" is a soft/short "E". (like "pen" and "hen"). --—Preceding unsigned comment added by BitterSunrise (talk • contribs)

okay first of all it is JO-nen he says so himself in the comentary for Invader Zim. if any of you were ture Zim fans (or jhonen fans watching the show because it was his work) youd know that Note i an not being arrogent i just want to clearify that he says his name is pornounced jo-nen not ho-nen. --dino-amie october 14 2006

Dude, wow. No offense, but spell check. >> --SquidMoose (talk) 20:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.234.126.182 (talk • contribs) signed with name at odds with identity recorded in History

Nobody Expects Jinji

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What does "Nobody Expects Jinji" even mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ace Class Shadow (talk • contribs)

Umm... what is this "Nobody Expects Jinji" from? Am I missing something here? Maybe you should be a little more specific. DreamsofTacos 18:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism from months and months ago. Moving on... --InShaneee 20:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

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I found a picture of Jhonen here: http://www.supersnail.com/images8/3__ape_05_01_juaxss.jpg. But, I don't know the licensing! Help me! Red Alien 22:12, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New Comic

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well ... the character design looks like ... and .. it is about love .... and has goths...


http://iamjapanese.blogspot.com/

for a better layout ... try http://www.groggie.com/w1k/strippers/ and go to "meowza"...


the article mentions that rikki is the voice of gir and on the coloring team twice-chris june 28 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubberducky (talk • contribs)

Ok, Not sure what that last part was about, but its very possible that Jhonen is drawing that comic. He might be trying to throw his fans off again, hence the romantic style. And please, everyone, Sign your posts. Thanks. ;) TigerDude 21:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not hisTheplanetsaturn 21:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely not his. Why would he be posting shit on the net for free, if he could sell, especially considering his legion fanbase. I'm afraid that this is someone ripping off his art stile, which is something he despises. JackorKnave (talk) 22:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jhonen to Jhnen?

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There's a rumor going around that Jhonen has changed his name (at least the spelling) to Jhnen. Even his official journal seems to prefer this spelling, so it well might be true. Does anyone have more information on this matter? It seems a worthy thing to mention in the article if it is fact. --68.35.94.119 21:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, Jhonen has not changed the spelling of his name. The 'Jhnen VEE / Jhnen V / VEE' thing is just a funky little abbreviation he uses sometimes on the interwebulous. --Rubberducky 19:42, 23 October 2006 (EST)

-- I believe he started writing his name as jhnen to try to throw people off his scent, so they couldnt figure out his instant messenger contacts. Chris Furniss - weeklygeekshow.com 23:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Please

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Please stop putting back that whole "critism of Goth culture and lifestyle," section. It is not nessecairy. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by User:The Powerful (talk • contribs)

No, you need to stop blanking it. The section is sourced and relevant, and removing it again will be considered vandalism. --InShaneee 17:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me? Where are you to come and tell ME what to do? As for vandalism, that's not for you to accuse. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by User:The Powerful (talk • contribs)

I'm an administrator and a long time user. It wasn't an accusation, it was a fact. --InShaneee 19:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever... :(

Here, let me bring up an argument with that segment. People don't have the right to label him however, it should not be listed that he has spoken against the goth culture. If he HATES us then why are so many of his friends (such as Roman Dirge and musician Voltaire) are Goth, the victims of NNY's are not even considered actual Goths, but mallgoth posers. For example, in one of the MEANWHILES the letter from the stereotypical masonite obviously suggested he did not have the passion for the subculture as most goths, but only did that to fit in. Also, he uses Goth charecters and heros such as Devi (who is NOT a goth depiction), Tess and NNY. Sure, the charecters learned from their expirences but you never see a dramatic word/message or crappy phont "change". Jhonen has never spoken against the subculture in general but how many people don't apperciate the true meanings. -The Powerful -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:The Powerful (talk • contribs) (redlink to nowhere; improperly signed)

What we have is what is verifiable. Removing it again will be considered vandalism (again). --InShaneee 15:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How come you did not acknoweldge any of the things I mentioned? Why can't you just put some POSITIVE things in there that he's done for the goth subculture rather than continually critqueing it negatively AS you people ALWAYS do. -The Powerful -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:The Powerful (talk • contribs) (redlink to nowhere; improperly signed)
Reread the section. It says nothing negative. You're being hypersensitive.Theplanetsaturn 03:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm really fucking tired of people saying he hates the subculture. If he's so NOT Goth, then how come he's never denounced himself in the subculture? Sure, he's said it about his comics but he's really fond of the culture. Read Suicide Girls interview. Also, the fillerbunny thing was bullshit. The guy was critizing the culture as well as Vasquez, that's why he died. Plus, if there's any catergory he fits under it would be hippie. Goth forever. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.144.174.133 (talk) 02:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]
It has always been my impression that Jhonen is not fond of the current form of the goth subculture - that is to say, Hot-Topicky Mallgoths - or people who are in it for the dramatics or to try and fit in by pretending to be isolated. Unfortunately, that seems to be about 90% of the 'goth' population at the moment - something that he sees fit to comment on in a humorous and satirical (and sometimes annoyed) manner. But really, this whole 'goth or not goth' debate is pretty much pointless and stupid - why does anyone give a shit? Leave him alone and let him draw, or play WoW, or whatever. Meanwhile, reread the section, because it says absolutely nothing about Jhonen hating goths, just comments on the 'issue'.megumi 05:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The section says nothing about his "hating the subculture". Producing satire does not equal hate. Reread the section.Theplanetsaturn 03:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Vasquez hates the lable "goth", for both himself and his works. The article does not suggest that he hates the goth subculture. Many of his works do contain satires of goth, as the article states, but satire is a form of constuctive criticism, not hate, as Theplanetsaturn pointed out. Vasquez would probably puke all over himself if he knew anyone viewed him as a "hippie". He just hates lables, and people who apply them to him or his work, especially when his work obviously has absolutely nothing to do with the subculture, such as Fillerbunny. Ecto 04:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU ECTO??!!!! Who gives a shit, ducky? I do! Because he does not hate the subculture and where has he denounced himself as Goth? WHERE??!!! -72.144.174.133
Hating the label and hating the subculture are not the same thing. You need to relax. Jhonen does not hate the subculture, but like most artists, he dislikes an inherently limiting description of his work, and has said as much himself.Theplanetsaturn 02:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh for the love of Jimmy this sure is getting violent. Jhonen's hate of ANYTHING is not the issue here, at all, what so ever. It would be extremely presumptuous for us to say what Jhonen HATES because we are not JHONEN. What we can say, is that his work often pokes fun at the things that are commonly labeled as goth in today's society, such as fat girls wearing 'Nine Inch Heels' shirt, and oh, let me think... ANNE GWISH?! HELLO? If that's not goth satire, I don't know what is. Quit trying to act like you're representing all of Jhonen's personal sentiments accurately in his defense and quit deleting the goth satire bit. Christ. --SquidMoose (talk) 21:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And ironically, LOTS of self-described goths and emos love Invader Zim as well as Vasquez's other projects. --98.232.180.37 (talk) 04:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What, exactly, is a "goth" subculture? What makes an individual within the "goth" subculture and authentic representation of said subculture? And lastly, how does a "hot topic mallgoth variant" differ from an authentic specimen? (sorry, had to ask) -geographyhorse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.140.239.81 (talk) 21:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

what's with the crummy, dated picture?

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Pretty sure he looks nothing like that now; do you think we could get a more recent one? 87.244.71.96 05:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like him to me.Theplanetsaturn 05:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have a more recent one, as mentioned above in 'Picture', but when I tried to upload it it got removed for "incorrect licensing." I'm not too familiar with Wikipedia, but the license is "This guy who took it said right on this page here that we could use it" - if someone can translate that and post the picture above, it would solve the problem. megumi 05:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said earlier, I have no problem with my pictures of Jhonen being used here. I just can't post it here, because I don't have internet at home, which means I don't have time to do crap on the intarweb. So, someone go for it. DreamsofTacos 19:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've found two recent photos on Flickr with Creative Commons licenses that seem to be compatible with their usage here: 1, 2. Perhaps one or both should be added? MysteriousStranger 20:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hardcover

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I went to the page Rubberducky cited, at Mars Import here. The hardcover is listed as out of stock, and the publisher, Slave Labor Graphics, simply does not list it at the Slave Labor store] nor mention it on the Slave Labor creators' page. Publishers frequently announce books, and even send out art for them, but for one reason or another the book never comes out. Honest to goodness, I have tried to confirm this book's existence, but without it being available to buy, or if sold out there being an ISBN number, there isn't any way to verify that it actually came out. And WP:VERIFY is one of the cardinal rules of Wikipedia.

Look, keep at it. I have no personal stake in this whatsoever. I'm just saying that Wikipedia is very careful about telling us that we can't put in material that can't be verified. If it exists, we can find it. --Tenebrae 01:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's listed as out of stock because it's out of print. But it certainly does exist.Theplanetsaturn 03:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's great. But I apologize for being unclear. How do you know it exists? An encyclopedia can't just take somebody's word for it.--Tenebrae 03:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
An encyclopedia cannot hamstring itself to the point of absurdity either. I know the book exists because I have a copy. Because I have unpacked boxes of them and I have spoken with the publisher on this matter. If you are overly concerned about veracity of this, you could simply call the listed phone number for the company and ask. Flip through back issues of the Diamond catalog and view the solicitations for the book. Evidence of all things does not, and will not exist on the internet. Websites come and go, with little concern for historic record. That does not mean an encyclopedia should cease listing the facts. Particularly over such a small matter.Theplanetsaturn 03:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Here's something. But I doubt it will last.Theplanetsaturn 04:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.mothcomix.com/html/BrowseSearch/Results/Artist.asp?prdArtist=V

Don't get huffy. And don't ask other people to do research for your claims.
"Hamstring to the point of absuridy"? What, an encyclopedia should just take people's words for things? There are pranksters a'plenty who use Wikipedia for fun — go online and read up on some of these things ... The New York Times has even written about it. Nobody has any way of knowing who you are or if you're telling the truth about unpacking boxes, etc. Think about it, and I'm sure you'll see I'm telling the truth.
As it happens, the site you provided — that of a reputable dealer offering a rare hardcover book for sale — is a credible source. We can't list it in References or in a footnote because Wikipedia disallows links to commercial sites, but you've convinced me the book exists. Add the hardcover info — I myself will leave it in even without the specific cite. Other editors might not accept that; they may insist on an ISBN, which would be within their rights to do so.
Don't mean to take a shot, but I always find it ironic when people say, "Oh, this is a small thing" ... and fight you like it's a big thing! :-) All good here. --Tenebrae 04:29, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The trick with print is that it lacks intonation. I assure you, nothing in my previous post falls under the designation of huffy. If I were so minded, I would speak plainly of my irritation. With that said...
Should an encyclopedia simply "take people's words for things", of course not. And I never suggested they should. But you found evidence entirely suggestive of the existence of the book, and choose to dismiss it. You did not search very deeply for proof, as a simple Google search of "Jhonen" and "hardcover" revealed a picture of the book in question. If you want to discuss reliable journalistic practices, look at your own actions first.
And for the record, many SLG books (particularly earlier ones like the book in question) are unlikely to have an isbn number. The inclusion of comics in bookstores is a more modern practice. If that is a necessary criteria, many factual things will be lost in the quagmire of verifiability. So no, I don't think the aforementioned editors would be within their rights at all to casually delete in the manner you suggest. Bare minimum, it would be irresponsible.
And yes, it is a small thing. But words are cheap and my alternative would have been a reversion without explanation. Would that actually have been preferable?Theplanetsaturn 04:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We need a reliable source. It's either leave the warning, or remove the passage altogether. --InShaneee 05:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is getting absurd. A cursory search for the title reveals it for sale on eBay. I already pointed to a website that carries it. The source on the article includes a picture of the printed product. The book exists. End of story.Theplanetsaturn 06:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ebay is not a valid source. A publisher is needed. --InShaneee 06:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added a reference for the hardcover's existence and availability from a review by Revolution SF. Hope that helps, Theplanetsaturn. Ecto 07:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In response to Theplanetsaturn:
I'll look at Ecto's reference. The fact that another editor, InShaneee, wants to hold Wikipedia to the same standards as a print encyclopedia is valid. To call that kind of care "irresponsible" is just turning logic on its head. --Tenebrae 00:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


In response to Tenebrae:

It's unfortunate that I have to spell this out for you.


In response to Theplanetsaturn:


In response to Tenebrae:

In response to Tenebrae:

While we are here, lets take a look at your lies, and how they pertain to this discussion, Mr. Journalist. Below is the information you posted about this exchange elsewhere on Wikipedia:

In response to Theplanetsaturn:

In response to Tenebrae:

Theplanetsaturn, you are advised to calm down and treat other editors with respect. This means stop making Personal Attacks. If you don't stop, you will find yourself blocked more and more. So just give it up, relax, live and let live a little, and edit cooperatively. Please. Hu 02:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I began this exchange with respect. In return, I was met with condescending manner, my words taken completely out of context, incorrect intent behind my posts attributed repeatedly despite clarification, my opinions on the topic dismissed through a fallacious appeal to authority, and my attempts at reasonable discussion ignored in favor of a moderation report. Respect comes from both directions, and Tenebrae has acted in an inflammatory manner from the inception of our dialog. So no, I will continue to return his unwarranted attacks with the derision they are due. If he ceases his behavior, I will be more than happy to return to the civil discussion that he aborted through his blatant misconceptions.Theplanetsaturn 02:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Know that any more of this abusive behavior, here or anywhere else, will result in the temporary removal of your editing privileges. This is simply not allowed under any circumstances. --InShaneee 03:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you should have considered the rules before you began blanking information agreed upon through consensus without a word of proper discussion on the talk page.Theplanetsaturn 03:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In response to Tenebrae:

I felt this required reexamination, as you managed to miscomprehend it so horribly. You claim I referred to you and your motives as "irresponsible". Let's take a look at what was actually said, rather than what you imagined. Keep in mind, this is after you had already agreed the source I provided was sufficient for your tastes:

I give you the benefit of the doubt that you understand the basics of the English language. To understand what the qualifier "other", that you supplied means, and what the qualifier "aforementioned", that I supplied, means. Which leaves the probability that you purposefully misunderstood my words, and purposfully reported my words out of context. I never accused you of being irresponsible. Not once. If you still don't understand the roots of our conflict, take another look at the above exchange. Read it closely. And when you're done, take responsibility for your own ill conceived, unnecessary and inflammatory moderation report. With that, hopefully we can put an end to this.Theplanetsaturn 03:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Comment: Book format

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At the recommendation of Admin Luna Santin at Wikipedia:Personal attack intervention noticeboard#User:Theplanetsaturn (talk • contribs) is a Request for Comment regarding dispute about the publishing format(s) of the book Johnny the Homicidal Maniac.

Statements by editors previously involved in dispute
Comments
Tenebrae: "A compromise solution was offered." ---- Again (and for the record), I never said it was an unreasonable compromise. I said it should be discussed here first, BEFORE making such changes. As this is an obviously contentious issue, that would be the reasonable and responsible order of events.Theplanetsaturn 05:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I think here the fault falls with neither of the "offending" parties, but with Wikipedia's policies of what qualifies as a valid source. Apparently, photographs and offers for sale of existing books (I say existing because I have held the book in my hands, contemplated buying the book when it was still available, etc) are not valid for sourcing. Neither, as seen previously on this discussion page, is video of the creator and publisher of the book saying it was nearly nominated for an Eisner but missed out - because the video is on youtube. Neither party is wrong here. User:Tenebrae is trying to uphold Wiki's policy; User:Theplanetsaturn is frustrated that under that policy, a book's existance can be called into question when there is plenty of evidence that it does, indeed, exist. I respect that Wikipedia wants to remain a reliable source of information, but there is a point where it becomes ridiculous to not accept certain evidence as valid - and I mean this simply as an observation, not as a slight on anyone or anything.
That having been said, I believe that the compromise by User:69.22.254.111 is a reasonable one. Rubberducky 1:29, 14 December 2006 (EST)

Hello everyone. It has been requested that I review and comment on this discussion as a neutral third party. Based on what I've read above, it looks like everyone here has Wikpiedia's best interests at heart; no one is at fault for wanting to uphold our verifiability policies. The hardcover edition of this book appears to be somewhat rare — not found on Abebooks, AddALL, Amazon.com, or the Library of Congress — but does appear to be verifiably available for purchase from their primary distributor, Slave Labor Graphics [1], listed (but out of stock) at Mars Import [2], and has recently sold on EBay [3] for $60 and change. I believe there is sufficient verifiable evidence to mention the hardbound version, namely the Slave Labor Graphics link, but it would be most ideal if we could obtain an ISBN number as well, if one was ever associated with the item. Hope that helps, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I put in a reference to a Revolution SciFi review of JTHM that states that the book is available in hardcover [4], but that was removed. That citation, plus the reference from Slave Labor, should be enough to back up a mention of the hardcover in the article. Knowing that the book exists, I can understand the frustration involved in this dispute, but I also understand the desire to follow Wikipedia's guidelines to the letter. Hopefully these references will satisfy both parties. As far as I can see, the hardcover has never had an ISBN. Slave Labor will add one if they ever reprint that version, though. Ecto 08:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I own the hardcover, and yes, it is rare. When I go home for the holidays, I will try to find it and extract whatever details other editors request. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, all, enormously. Theplanetsaturn made the consensus change, I updated it from an inline link to a footnote and link, and the planet and the darkness, so to speak, are aligned and all is well under Heaven. That type of pitching in and discussion is what helps make Wikipedia editing worthwhile. I'm sure my new colleague would agree, and let me extend a hand to say we both let off some steam, but that's in the past, and I look forward to working together in the Comics Project. Happy Wiki-ing! --Tenebrae 01:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Glad we could come to an agreement on this, Tenebrae. Thank you for holding the consensus. For the record, I have looked at the other work you've done in comics on Wikipedia, and you do good work. Apologies for my unkind words.Theplanetsaturn 02:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious as to why the publisher selling the book here is not enough verification of the existence of the book. There have to be plenty of books listed in wikpedia that were never given ISBN numbers. Murderbike 02:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The book was available on the previous version of their website, but not as clearly as it is currently. SLG just overhauled the website and the link you provide did not exist at the time of the debate.Theplanetsaturn 02:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So the hardcover note could be re-added? Murderbike 02:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed pronunciation

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Removed guide to pronouncing his name; it appeared to be incorrect, based on his television interview. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.35.94.119 (talk) 11:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]


Pronunciation

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There seems to be a demand for a pronunciation guide. I think the tradition on Wikipedia when such things are needed follows a kind of international standard. Anyone know how to render the name in such a way (instead of "JOE-nen" "JOAN-en" etc. as usually attempted? This is, I think, a bit informal for an encyclopedia article.) --76.18.93.72 (talk) 06:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IPA was what I was thinking of -- International Phoenetic Alphabet. I think Jhonen gets spelled something like ɖʒonɛn. Now does anyone know the definite pronunciation for his surname? I know of 3 different versions -- voss-kez, vass-kez and vass-kwez, and it's unclear which he prefers. --76.18.93.72 (talk) 03:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Official Homepage

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Should we perhaps remove the link to his official homepage for now? It's just a link to his Livejournal, which we're already linking to.--209.243.31.233 02:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Has Jhonen said what equipment he uses in his comics?

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St. Scolex April 10, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by St. Scolex (talk • contribs) 00:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think he mentioned that he experimented with brushes in an issue of Squee, but that's it. I'd imagine he uses the standard comic making tools like pens, pencils, brushes, and sometimes Photoshop. I don't think it's important to the article to list what tools he uses though, unless he had an extremely unique method. Ash Loomis

Great job adding that new photo of JV.

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ST. SCOLEX, 10/22/07

Great job adding the new photo of Jhonen, whoever did. It's great. I like his little seal ghost puppet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.120.81.226 (talk) 23:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject class rating

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 07:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jellyfist?

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I've not gotten my hands on a copy of Jellyfist, but could somebody please start or submit content for a Jellyfist article? 75.130.107.71 (talk) 00:34, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Was done, however, article was deleted for being unimportant --76.18.93.72 (talk) 05:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mindless Self Indulgence Video

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This article links to supposedly the official video of MSI's Shut Me Up. Unfortunately, the link does not go to the official video, but a fan-edited one (if I am not mistaken). The original is distinct in the fact that it never switches between shots of the store clerk and the band, it's 100% the store clerk. Can anybody provide a link to the original, or at least specify in the article that that is not the official music video? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.111.63 (talk) 23:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


You're mistaken. The video was edited by the band themselves, but was still of course directed by Vasquez. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.115.141.189 (talk) 19:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup and Tone

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Theoretically any article on Wikipedia should read like a formal encyclopedia entry, and so, this article needs the tone and such to be tweeked a bit. First of all, it's either "Jhonen Vasquez" or "Vasquez" -- never just "Jhonen" unless it's in a quote from elsewhere. Also perhaps the Style and Comics sections should be at least partially merged. --76.18.93.72 (talk) 02:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I shifted some things around myself, so I think it's okay to get rid of the cleanup part. The formal tone could be better however.--Sobekneferu (talk) 20:18, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Went ahead and moved the Cleanup notice to the TV section. At this point it looks like the kinks have been pretty much worked out of the rest of the article, but the Television section reads a little poorly and could use some work. (I also notice it's often one of the more frequently updated and altered sections, which might have something to do with it.) --76.18.93.72 (talk) 08:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bloody GIR

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"It was also cancelled because of the few images thrown in on certain frames of certain episodes. The picture contained the "Gir" robot covered in blood. This was thrown in there because of of Nickelodeon's guidelines which included no blood. He did this to tick Nickelodeon off because he didn't like the guidelines"

While not many people will dispute that Bloody GIR did exist, can anyone really verify that it was a cause of the show's cancellation?--76.18.93.72 (talk) 02:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is Hypnophobia?

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clicking the link takes you to the phobia page.. which doesn't have a listing for hypnophobia. either we should remove the link or someone who can edit should update the phobia page. Or maybe just tell me what it is in this article. Otherwise it's pretty useless -- The Wolfkin71.56.0.82 (talk) 04:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

.....Gay?

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I thought Vasquez was openly gay. I've heard it lots of different places over the years, too. Umm.. whats the story on that? --98.232.180.37 (talk) 04:57, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"I've heard it lots of places" doesn't mean anything. Rumors about famous people, especially concerning their sexuality, are incredibly prevalent; however, they are still just rumors. megumi (talk) 06:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, and you said the same thing about Clay Aiken and Adam Lambert. Oops you. --98.232.181.201 (talk) 20:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
First, I haven't said anything about either one of them. Second, there is a bit of a difference between "I heard it somewhere" and an interview that a famous person gives directly to a reputable magazine, or on a TV show, or whatever. Third, anyone can start a rumor about X person being gay and it will pop up all over; that doesn't make it true (although, inevitably, it sometimes is). Isn't the point of being openly gay that you say it yourself?98.209.139.1 (talk) 02:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the intros to his work, his Twitter account, etc. he has only ever mentioned having girlfriends. --68.35.11.25 (talk) 22:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


From Revolution SF Chat Transcript:

ShaneIvey: Do you like getting creative input from fans? Show ideas, story ideas, that kind of thing? Does it ever happen? JhnenV: Hmm..fanfic stuff? JhnenV: They have some pretty twisted ideas, some that I've seen. JhnenV: I don't know if it'd be wise to go with a lot of what they come up with. JhnenV: They have ZIM and Dib falling in love ideas. JhnenV: That makes me ill. ShaneIvey: So I've heard... JhnenV: ill to my belly. JhnenV: My ill-prone belly.

Not only that, but, all throughout his livejournal and mindspill entries, you will find references to him having dated GIRLS. In an Invader ZIM commentary, for Game Slave 2, some of the guys tease Jhonen about the Battery Tower clerk chick looking like one of his girlfriends.

And the list of references goes on. If people want to have a problem with someone, and can't find a juicy enough one, they'll MAKE one. Boredom? Possession by malevolent spirits? YOU decide.

Not that anyone really cares about YOUR opinion, per se.

JCV redirect

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Um, I hate to start a whole thing because it's clear this article is very carefully watched by this person's fans, but is there any reason to have a redirect for "JCV" to this article? Is it meaningful other than just being this guy's initials? It's not like everyone else on Wikipedia, including people who have more notability than this person, has a redirect from their initials. Just a thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.112.87.161 (talk) 14:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a convention for comic book artists to sign their artwork with their initials. Vasquez signs all of his either "JCV" or "JV".Ecto (talk) 02:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gir Show?

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Yes, let me sound very tedious and obessed, but I heard from a friend of mine that there was a 'Gir Show' in process, and it was coming on air soon. I know the "on air soon" is probably wrong, but what about the 'Gir Show'? Yes, what sense would it make for Gir to star in a show by himself without Zim, but, still, his popularity is very great, so I could see someone making it for money purposes. ;) [A kindly explained debate is always appreciate. :D] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.186.221.140 (talk) 00:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are no plans for anything like a GIR show made by Jhonen Vasquez. He's been trying to distance himself from the show invader zim since it was cancelled because Viacom screwed him over by refusing him royalties to all invader zim merchandise. I doubt viacom would try to make anything like a GIR show without him because while they were still making it, invader zim was primarily a production of Jhonen from the scripts to the character ideas. His staffs job was mainly voice acting, animation, and working things out with the FCC. Without Jhonen they wouldn't be able to recreate GIR without making it obvious things weren't the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.131.11.95 (talk) 14:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Eneter zim

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I started Draft:Invader Zim: Enter the Florpus dose anyone want to help?Fanoflionking 22:57, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kite + Kill Bill + BNL

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What? What?! First, why are these 3 movies all piled into one category. Second, source?!?! I can't find any evidence he worked on any of these movies. Is this a troll edit? 2604:6000:150F:4A3E:6546:C762:189A:9EC3 (talk) 08:17, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2775-man

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this title is listed in his filmography but theres no reference and i couldn’t find any info about it anywhere if anyone knows what this is could they add a bit about it in his career section 75.111.23.160 (talk) 06:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mexican-American, or just American?

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The article says he was born in America and makes no reference to his obtaining Mexican citizenship or being born to Mexican parents, so on what basis is he described as "Mexican-American"? The article cited, in www.vice.com just describes him as "Mexican-American" quite casually, with no explanation. I would suggest describing him as American until a better citation comes along. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 06:45, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]