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This article has been mentioned by a media organization: Grover Furr (1 July 2013). "The "Official" Version of the Katyn Massacre Disproven?". Socialism and Democracy, Taylor & Francis. Retrieved 18 April 2020. The officially accepted version of the Katyn Massacre can be read on its Wikipedia page... This page is relentlessly anticommunist and anti-Stalinist. It makes no attempt to be objective or neutral, in that it has no serious discussion of the scholarly controversy about this question. It is useful only as a short and accurate summary of the "official" version.

The nazis committed the Katyn massacre and blamed it on the Soviet Union to drive a wedge between the allies. This page is regurgitating nazi propaganda. Please fact check this 140.228.176.91 (talk) 14:51, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You can do it yourself; see WP:BOLD and H:INTRO for further information. Thriftycat ^{Talk • Contribs} 22:12, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@140.228.176.91 Thank you NottinghamNinja (talk) 01:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Was the witness of the Soviet-Russian Katyn Crime, Stanisław Swianiewicz, having delusions when he witnessed what he did in 1940?

_{However, after the Battle of Krasnobród on 23 September, he was taken prisoner of war by the Soviets. Through the transfer camp in Putyvl, he was interned in the NKVD camp in Kozelsk, together with several thousand other Polish officers, professors, border guards and policemen. Interrogated by kombrig Vasili Mikhaylovich Zarubin, Swianiewicz spoke fluent Russian, which he was apparently found useful. After the start of the Katyn Massacre in the spring of 1940, he was attached to a group of about 100 Polish officers being moved by train to a small station in Gniezdovo, near Katyn. There, all of his comrades were massed in buses with blindfolded windows and transported to the mass murder site, but Swianiewicz himself was withdrawn from the transport.} FeldmarschallGneisenau (talk) 13:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia: it is for reference, not an outlet for discredited silliness. Anyone who wants to promote the work of Grover Furr should make their own web page, or use social media. New Thought (talk) 12:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article says: "At the trials in 1946, Soviet General Roman Rudenko raised the indictment, stating "one of the most important criminal acts for which the major war criminals are responsible was the mass execution of Polish prisoners of war shot in the Katyn forest near Smolensk by the German fascist invaders",[78] but failed to make the case and the U.S. and British judges dismissed the charges.[79] Only 70 years later did it become known that former OSS chief William Donovan had succeeded in getting the American delegation in Nuremberg to block the Katyn indictment". That's wrong. The indictment #3 indicates the katyn massacre. For example, Hermann Goering was found guilty on all four indictments.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/judgoeri.asp "Conclusion The Tribunal finds the defendant Goering guilty on all four counts of the Indictment."

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/count3.asp "In September 1941, 11,000 Polish officers who were prisoners of war were killed in the Katyn Forest near Smolensk." 89.113.152.137 (talk) 13:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect Eugenjusz Andrei Komorowski has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 28 § Eugenjusz Andrei Komorowski until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:06, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reaching a consensus on historical issues can be challenging. Grover Furr defends the Soviet perspective as a valuable viewpoint, and it serves as an important reference for examining historical documentary sources. Completely dismissing the original conclusions of post-World War II Allied Powers investigative committees is unjustified. Historian Grover Furr argues that contemporary narratives surrounding the Katyn massacre are influenced by neo-Nazi revisionist propaganda promoted by extreme right political parties and governments in post-Soviet Eastern Europe. His research conclusively demonstrates that the true perpetrators of the Katyn massacre were the German occupying forces.

It is absurd to claim that Grover Furr is not a historian and that his views represent the farthest fringe of scholarship.

Furthermore, Gover Furr's conclusions about the perpetrators of the Katyn massacre and its context have remained unchanged and widely accepted for many decades. To challenge the official conclusions or promote Nazi-friendly alternative narratives has even been legally prohibited in many of the countries affected by this tragedy. It is quite shocking that the Wikipedia administration allows such a biased narrative to be presented as the only credible historical account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.216.55.150 (talk • contribs)

Grover Furr isn't a historian. He's a professor of medieval English, with fringe views concerning this topic. Read this talkpage and its archives, the article represents the consenus of historic scholarship.

Maybe it's time for an FAQ on this. Acroterion (talk) 20:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative reference sources aside from the Reich Ministry of Propaganda and Enlightenment:

1. pdfdrive.to > The Mystery of the Katyn Massacre: The evidence, the solution. Free pdf by Grover Furr / 9.271 MB / 268 pages.

• The most thorough and fully documented research on the Katyn Massacre.

2. A synthetic overview of the Katyn Massacre, including various historical interpretations and perspectives on the event: https://www.idcommunism.com/2016/04/the-real-story-of-katyn-massacre.html?m=1

3. Grover Furr Home Page > Many books and articles discuss the historical context of the Soviet Union and World War II > https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/ Dietricht (talk) 10:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.252.217.197 (talk) [reply]

The bibliographical references are basic. The Wikipedia page lacks any mention of Soviet official investigations and alternative research, resulting in a clearly biased viewpoint. Please retain the references for the sake of impartiality. 62.252.217.197 (talk) 21:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]