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What makes him American?

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He was brought to the U.S. against his will so that makes him an American? He was born and grew up in Germany, and that's what it should say. Norum (talk) 22:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is silly. All of the German rocket engineerings, etc., who came to the United States came here voluntarily. They traveled quite some distance from northern Germany to southern Germany in 1945 to surrender to the American Army and to request to be taken to the Untited States. Furthermore, Dannenberg, von Braun, and many others in this group became naturalized citizens of the United States, which is a completely voluntarily process, and nobody can force anyone to do this. (That would be completely illegal and unconstitutional, and any immigrant could renounce this if done illegally, in any case.) Thus, by these processes, both Dannenberg and his wife became German-born American citizens.
It would also be productive if people like you, "Norum", would not make ignorant and totally-false nasty comments about things that you don't know anything about.
What makes him American? He was naturalized and became a US cititzen. ViennaUK (talk) 15:09, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The later life and death of Konrad Dannenberg

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Dannenberg spent almost all of his life from 1945 until his death at the age of 96, long after his retirement, residing quite voluntarily in the United States, most of the time in Huntsville, Alabama, and minorities of the time in Texas/New Mexico or central Tennessee. Dannenberg died in Huntsville in February 1996, and quite recently, his family has donated his accumulated papers, memoralabilia, and awards, including is immigration & naturalization papers with the United States, to the University of Alabama at Huntsville. See the news article, which I will also quote here: click: http://www2.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/moon_rocket_pioneers_family_donates_papers_to_uah/107199/

Moon Rocket Pioneer’s Family Donates [His] Papers to UAH Associated Press Published: November 7, 2009 HUNTSVILLE, Ala. (AP) - The family of a former German rocket scientist who helped the United States send astronauts to the Moon has donated his papers and memorabilia to the University of Alabama in Huntsville. The collection from the family of Konrad Dannenberg includes books, photos, awards, memorabilia, models and documents. They include his immigration papers [from] when he came to the U.S. after World War II to continue working with Dr. Wernher von Braun’s team of rocket scientists. Dannenberg died in February at 96. Archivist Anne Coleman said [that] the University is honored to have the work of the propulsion pioneer and original member of von Braun’s team.

V-2 Nazi War Weapon

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Should there be more information provided that the reason Dannenberg is notable and worthy of Wiki inclusion is due to his V-2 work, and what that weapon was used for (to bomb London in World War Two)? Intellectprop (talk) 18:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, as noted in the news article from the Associated Press, above, Dannenberg's most notable accomplishments came as an award-winning rocket engineer during the NASA Apollo Project, namely the Saturn V rocket and its NASA predecessors during the 1960s, as as we know, the Skylab project that directly followed from the Saturn V, and was itself launched by a Saturn V. Furthermore, as we can see from simple calculations, since Dannenberg was born in 1912, he only turned 30 years old in 1942, and thus he was quite a junior engineer with the German rocket-bomb projects that lead to the V-2 of 1944-45 - in comparison with those such as Hermann Oberth, who was born in 1894, Eberhard Rees, who was born in 1908, and Walter Dornberger, who was born in 1895, and were much more senior than Dannenberg.
Anyone who does not recognize the accomplishments of the Apollo Project has some screws loose somewhere, or else they are making their own sinister statements with political undertones.
Let's get scientific here!

98.81.4.51 (talk) 09:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm disappointed to see these comments here defending the actions of a Nazi party member who made Nazi war weapons using slave labor. Shame on you. 2creativeminds (talk) 22:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. It is a disturbing use of Wikipedia. Brentitito (talk) 17:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Nazi Revisionism?

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It appears that legitimate, sourced references to Dannenberg and von Braun's Nazi ties are being removed and protected - in my opinion, this is not what Wikipedia should be about. Shame. These people were Nazi party members and, in von Braun's case, a Nazi SS officer. Urbancoffeer (talk) 21:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why there are always twerps who go around making off-the-wall statements and asking silly, pointed questions about things.
Just let a gang of thuggish criminals (which what the Nazis were) point guns at you, and at your family members, and tell you to do your job or else, and you'll see how quickly you can either comply or fall into your grave - or else watch it happen to your mother, wife, sister, brother, or father. People who worked on such weapons did it because they had to.
Besides that, there are those who moan and weep over the British, Belgians, etc., who were killed by the German V-1s and V-2s, but say nothing about the one hundred times as many Japanese who were burned to death by many the American fire-bombing raids on Japanese cities (raids that killed far more than the two atomic bombs did).
One cannot really complain against the United States and its Army Air Force for raiding the Japanese cities, either, because America was fighting against an implacable enemy that refused to surrender far beyond it was clearly time to do so. If the Japanese had surrendered in early January 1945, instead of in mid-August ("V-J Day" when hostilities practically stopped), then at least one million lives would have been saved, and the battles for Luzon, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, and Burma never fought, and hundreds of air raids against Japan never flown.
Likewise, if Germany had surrendered a lot earlier than May 7, 1945, millions of lives would have been saved in the East, in the West, in the South, and in bombing raids -- but as we know, an insane megalomaniac was in charge of Germany, and he was surrounded by a gang of hundreds of criminals. (Just start naming Goering, Himmler, Goebbels, Jodl, and keep on counting them.) So, the only way to eliminate Germany from the war was to either overrun it all or to kill Hitler. This should show you what a desperate situation that von Braun, Bannenberg, Oberth, Rees, and the rest found themselves in, and how they reacted accordingly.

98.81.4.51 (talk) 09:42, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly: Just as ridiculous as this guy being mentioned in the list of Ex-Nazi Party members. Why? He only joined in 1944, probably a loyalty gesture in the closing days of the war!1812ahill (talk) 00:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dannenberg joined in 1932, not 1944, long before it was politically necessary. Trying to airbrush the history of former Nazis is morally reprehensible. Brentitito (talk) 17:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm disappointed to see these comments here defending the actions of a Nazi party member who made Nazi war weapons using slave labor. Shame on you. 2creativeminds (talk) 22:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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