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I think it would be worth noting in his personal life that there was controversy regarding his ex-girlfriend, Maya Henry, writing a book inspired by their toxic relationship including his alleged abuse and substance problems. Cool879 (talk) 22:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This seems so far like an unsourced contribution to the topic, namely because it's pretty much only been one hour with what could be described as rumors at best. 190.12.77.19 (talk) 22:25, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if you take a look at the top of the main page, there is a banner, I believe, indicating the page is currently being heavily edited while the best and most appropriate sources are being found.
That said, currently Reuters is the leading source for Payne's passing, and I believe they're a pretty reputable and trusted source. Lafi90 (talk) 22:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess we would follow the advice of waiting for a consensus. I hope that he will rest in peace though. It is heart-breaking to learn of his death! Steven1991 (talk) 01:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know a lot about Liam Payne, so I wouldn't know how to reword this sentence within his article, but it reads a little awkwardly and in a way that is unclear. I figure a fan, or someone more familiar with his personal life and struggles, would be better-equipped to reword this (particularly the bolded portion):
On 1 June 2022, Payne was interviewed by Logan Paul for his podcast series where he, while intoxicated, brought up several topics, among which he claimed that One Direction originated with Simon Cowell's promise to him, and discussed former fellow member Zayn Malik's family life where he declared, "There's [sic] many reasons why I dislike Zayn and there's [sic] many reasons why I'll always, always be on his side".
adding reasons - from the height of his fame as part of 1D, he's in the middle of singing which is what he's known for, I think the quality is fine, better than 2023 TheLoyalOrder (talk) 00:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree with option B for the same reasons – most relevant to his profession, most representative of his career (especially for the page of a deceased person), and it is of decent quality. If not that, though, I think A is a better 2nd option than D. Afddiary (talk) 01:22, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Option D for these reasons. It's (albeit rather subjectively) his most recognisable appearance to a general audience. I can understand the pushback against it though. Ilanthress (talk) 11:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support option B, with second preference to option A. Agree completely with Afddiary above; I do not think Option D looks like him either at the height of his career nor what he looked like at his death.. after the 2014 pic was taken, he had significant plastic surgery & weight loss, so it strikes me as a poor choice. FlipandFlopped ツ03:03, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say B as well. It's a bit of a dark (lighting wise) image, but it represents what he's known for better. I prefer A over D as a second choice. Changing to E or B. AkiyamaKana (talk)03:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright I am just finding out that for infoboxes, people need to vote before making edits and I'll be considerate of that from now on. I think Option B is the better choice! Clammodest (talk) 05:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
> Alright I am just finding out that for infoboxes, people need to vote before making edits
Option A I completely agree w/ the rationale for option B and normally I'd be in favor of it, but the quality isn't the best, it's too shadowy whereas Option A has the best quality, isn't too obscuring and you could actually see Payne fairly well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:34, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support Option B. It's common for Wikipedia articles to display a photo of a deceased notable person of when they were most notable and recognizable, Option B shows Liam Payne at his most known stage. Bnwkr (talk) 10:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Has a good mix of the pros from A and B; it has both the clarity of the former and the more appropriate date range of the latter. Mb2437 (talk) 22:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had commented earlier but just wanted to say I feel E looks weird, like he's leaning forward slightly which makes his chin smaller and forehead bigger than it should be. Also think its a bit too tight a crop around his head, if there was this photo with a wider shot I'd rank it higher. F his face is obscured and its tinted green, Rank of all the suggestions so far B > A > D > E > FTheLoyalOrder (talk) 23:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just gonna throw in an extra proposal here, for good measure.
G: from 2012, arguably the 'peak' of One Direction as a young boy band. Shows his face well and is clearly centered, and I edited it solely so that it would work well within an infobox. CarterSterling (talk) 19:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Image A It is the highest quality image and is informative of his life, immediately conveying that he is a singer. (I was pinged to this RfC by means of Yapperbot.) ~ HAL33322:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SupportImage E; Image D as most up-to-date image; Image A has dramatic lighting but is low resolution and it appears the subject is scratching his head; Image G is a good portrait but delivers nothing beyond good looks; Image E is a good head shot but low resolution; Image F is out of focus; Image C is out of focus (or the compression makes it look that way) and low resolution—all that remains is a pout—like the Cheshire Cat; Image I is better used in place of Image Hin subsection Liam Payne#2016–2021: Solo projects and LP1 (belated sig added) — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) —
Reply: The most up-to-date photos are only preferred for biographies of living people; when someone dies, a new photo is chosen, that is why it is being discussed. I also cannot understand how you can call images A and E low quality when D is arguably worse. Mason7512 (talk) 19:16, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reply to reply: Well, Image Image D fails for resolution and over-compression. As well, Image D does not read as a performer—disqualifying for an infobox image of a performer if good images 'in performance' are available. Wikipedia articles tend to llast forever. Ten years from now a reader will recognize and be most informed by an image 'in performance'. We all have opinions, based on personal criteria and experience. So we differ. So we have an RFD. — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 18:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC) —[reply]
Support Images E, I, then A I could see potential issues with F and G, causing confusion about his profession (giving a false impression of him having been a footballer or other athlete) and quality concerns with D and (to a lesser extent) C. Mason7512 (talk) 18:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've just uploaded an additional (properly licensed) photo which could be a possible contender. It could probably do with some color correction but otherwise it's a nice, simple portrait image from 2018. Breaktheicees (talk) 01:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Have we reached a consensus yet about photo E being the agreed-upon infobox photo? Someone claims it is the portrait that the majority agreed had already changed the infobox to that version –J.avanzado (talk) 03:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment E is good quality but too young while D is slightly blurry, having a lot of uncropped black background, and representing him a football player not a singer. 14.0.158.69 (talk) 07:44, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a citation for Joe Exotic's tweet to the article. Here's the tweet in case you are curious [1]. I would rather add an RS but it seems like only TMZ (which was previously removed in this edit) and a few other non RS sources have reported on it ([2], [3]). Gideonrmt (talk) 02:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do love how a still-incarcerated Joe Exotic can somehow tweet out his condolences for the death of Liam Payne, and this was deemed notable enough for inclusion in Payne’s wiki article for a period of time. What a time to be alive Cbe46 (talk) 05:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to not be in that article anymore. The last time they updated the article was before I sent the first reply, but Google still showed the whole phrase as being in the article until a few minutes ago. AkiyamaKana (talk)03:22, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tribute sections are best avoided especially if the only purpose is to serve as a list of people who have paid an homage. Notable tributes may though be incorporated into the death/legacy section.
The reports I've seen all refer to the Daily Mail and People as where they got the info, which aren't reliable sources, as well as Henry's TikTok account. Until we get some independent reliable reporting, it's best to keep the legal issues out of this article. Fences&Windows08:25, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
§ Endorsements has three events in the order July 2020, May 2020, January 2020. This seems to reverse the usual process of telling stories with "first things first" ... There's no good reason to do that; maybe some of these dates are wrong? yoyo (talk) 09:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add his current girlfriend at his time of death her name was Kate Cassidy she is pretty famous herself and they were together for 2 years so she deserves to be on there. DaynaEllie (talk) 14:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Independent is listed as a reliable source, see WP:INDYUK. I personally find that its quality and its differentiation between news and opinion has declined since it stopped printing - and it looks like others had the same concerns - but it's still fine. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That was kind of my problem with linking it as a soul source, hence including Sky News as well. Their content has gone hill quite a bit. Lyeuhm (talk) 18:22, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now that Payne has sadly passed away, I think the lead image should be an image of him during One Direction's prime, as this best represents his legacy and highlights him as a star of the band's peak, which he is best known for. I nominate the 2012 image of Payne in Sydney that is already on the page, just not as the lead image, as it showcases him at the height of his and his band's popularity.
I removed this as the sources cited for preliminary cause of death say "cranial fracture and extremely serious injuries that led to his immediate death". I'm not a doctor, so I can't say whether he was bleeding, or if bleeding would have killed him before cranial fracture (see WP:CATDEFINE), but this category looks like WP:TOOSOON and a qualified professional will confirm all the details in due course. I'm not seeing it spelt out in sources that bleeding was the cause of death. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To help cope with the pain, he had sixteen injections in his arm every morning and another sixteen every evening as a child.
The article formerly said this, but this was drawn from an article that, in fact, says this:
From the age of zero to four I was always in hospital having tests done but they couldn't find out what was wrong. They discovered that one of my kidneys wasn't working properly and it had scarred. I had to have 32 injections in my arm in the morning and evening to try and make me better.
It says nothing about the injections being for any pain. It does not say that he had to have them "every morning and ... every evening". From the way it's worded here, it may only have been done once. It doesn't even say whether the 32 were evenly divided between morning and evening.
This dollop of unwisdom seems to have been in the article right from the beginning, and I would urge the writer to develop better reading comprehension skills. Kelisi (talk) 20:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Multiple articles say they cannot confirm if he jumped or simply fell. Mentions of him jumping should be removed unless definitive proof is shown. 142.188.34.116 (talk) 02:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are unlikely to get verification
Just like the BBC use the "medicine" (drugs) were found in this room
BBC also never mentioned that he smashed the hotel TV, burned the room down, and jumped after police arrived
Clonazepam is a medication often used to treat conditions like anxiety, seizures, and panic disorders. It belongs to the benzodiazepine class, which has calming effects, reducing overactivity in the brain. In Liam Payne’s case, the presence of clonazepam found in his hotel room suggests he may have been using it to manage mental health issues such as anxiety.
When mixed with alcohol, clonazepam can intensify side effects like drowsiness, dizziness, and, in severe cases, cause serious complications like respiratory depression, unconsciousness, or even death. The combination of drugs and alcohol found in Payne's room points to the possibility that this interaction may have contributed to his tragic death. New hordak from 2018 (talk) 13:26, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Make sure the infobox photo is not used in the rest of the article
Apologies if I sound too antagonistic, but three times during the infobox photo edits recently, a photo that has already been used in the article was put as Payne's infobox photo. If you're gonna change the photo to one that's already in the article, please remove the photo from the article. Thank you 205.186.52.209 (talk) 02:59, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Change “having jumped” (regarding his death) to “fell”
at this point it is not confirmed if he jumped or just fell. Jumping would include a conscious suicide. Again, this is not confirmed. Randomcan (talk) 05:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Under personal life it says he lived in Buckinghamshire until his death and cites his home with Maya as the source. This is outdated. He had moved to Miami with Kate towards the end of his life as she wanted to be closer to her friends and family 2603:7000:C400:C:89D2:DEC4:176A:E0A5 (talk) 06:44, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Partly done: I have removed that sentence, [10] since the cited source clearly doesn't support it (it cites a 2020 article to try to verify a claim about "from 2022 until his death"). I did not add the bit about Miami—do you have a reliable source which verifies that? Mz7 (talk) 08:06, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Could someone please write the hotel name correctly?
The hotel is called CasaSur Palermo Hotel (address/street name: Costa Rica, 6032) and NOT CasaSur hotel.
Whether you include the exact address/street name in it, when the hotel is renamed, you can still decide, but the hotel name should already be spelled correctly. NoelSchmidt (talk) 10:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But this Location is called CasaSur Palermo Hotel.
Next reliable Source - hotel site https://www.casasurhotel.com/en/palermo. Also the hotel link on their on site google maps and the location of the hotel as CasaSur Palermo Hotel.
Also you find it on Google Maps - there you can see the CasaSur Palermo Hotel is the right hotel like on the photo from reliable sources.
I agree that the death section has too much detail at the moment. However, I think it is detail that many people may be interested in, especially initially. Does it make sense to create a split? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Splitting
I imagine there will be more to add at various points as this unfolds. I already could see adding the impact on streaming numbers of his music but I am afraid to add at this point! Librarianfacts (talk) 04:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]