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2004

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This article is inconsistent with regard to the article on Lilith which states: "Lilith then went on to mate with Asmodai and various other demons she found beside the Red Sea, creating countless lilin." The current article states that lilin are the offspring of Adam and Lilith. Does anyone have a reference that would clarify this contention? -- Charles S. (talk) 14:06, 20 July 2004

2007

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I removed the line claiming that The Alphabet of Ben-Sira says the Lilin were the children of Lilith by Samael. It says no such thing. Lilith's children are mentioned, but their father is not. I also added an "unreferenced" tag; hopefully someone will take care of this. -- Cúchullain t/c 00:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not necessarily inconsistent. This is an article about folklore and mythology so naturally variations exist concerning the myth. The problem with this article is that it's currently under developed, doesn't cite any sources, and is completely useless and infactual as such. It's become nothing but a list of pop-culture trivia and should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.34.219 (talk) 23:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TOTAL GARBAGE

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This "article" is little more than a product placement list of commercial products. None of the books, comics, video games etc links should be here -- it's all just spam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.210.171 (talk) 00:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the previous comment. It's not product placement, it's references to pop culture which is important, especially if someone is trying to find out what a lilin is in reference to a video game or movie etc. If they find this page and can't find any reference to what they think a lilin is (e.g. a character from an anime or novel) then they might not make the connection with the description given on this page. - Ceigered 16:31, 17 January 2009 (not logged in atm)

Usless Article; the pop culture lists should be removed.

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This article is supposedly about mythology/folklore surrounding children of Lilith. Currently, there is less than three sentences about this and instead the article has a list of pop culture references. Wikipedia is not for lists of trivia or fan listings, ESPECIALLY when such sections are longer than the actual articles themselves. Either somebody needs to seriously expand the actual article, or seriously trim the pop-culture listings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.34.219 (talk) 23:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up 2012

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They are demonic legendary creatures in Akkadian mythology and shedim in Jewish folklore. 

==Etymology==

The following is disputed: 

==History==
See Lilith

In Talmudic Jewish folklore, Lilith is the name of Adam's first wife, who was created at the same time and from the same earth as Adam. She would not become subservient to Adam, left him, and refused to return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael.[4]

According to legend Lilin are the demonic children of Lilith and Samael. Lilith was warned that unless she returned to the Garden of Eden, one hundred of her children would die daily as her punishment. She refused, and so it is said, that one hundred lilin die daily. In order to avenge their death, Lilith kills human newborn children. Lilin also prey on newborn children, up to eight days after birth for boys, and twenty days for girls. A Hebrew tradition exists in which an amulet is inscribed with the names of three angels (Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof) and placed around the neck of newborn boys in order to protect them from the lilin until their circumcision.[5]

Pregnant women fall under the domain of the lilin, and need to be protected. They can cause barrenness, miscarriages, and complications during childbirth. [citation needed]

If a man's thoughts wander while having relations with his wife, and he thinks of another woman, his unborn child is fair game to the lilin.[citation needed]

References

  1. ^ Hurwitz (1980) p.51-52
  2. ^ a b Sayce (1887) [page needed] Cite error: The named reference "Sayce" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  3. ^ Fossey (1902) [page needed]
  4. ^ Samael & Lilith
  5. ^ Alphabet of Ben Sirah, Question #5 (23a-b)

That 'lilim' redirects here to 'lilin' may be a conflation....

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The two terms have separate entries here (Encyclopedia of Demons in World Religions and Cultures), as respectively ('lilim') the children of Lilith with the demon Sammael ("though some sources say all her female children, even those she had with her first husband Adam, were called the lilim") -- vs ('lilin') "born the daughters of Adam and Lilith."

If any one term is going to be used to refer to all her children, then, better it be 'lilim' than 'lilin', the more limiting term. – •Raven  .talk 03:17, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]