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Recent source on country

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/sunday-magazine/naomi-watts-i-know-who-i-am/story-e6frf039-1226200039425 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.29.97 (talk) 11:31, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Her sensibility remains very Aussie, her best friends are from here (“I’d say 95 per cent of them are Australian”), and she wants her sons, four-year-old Alexander (Sasha to his mum and dad) and Samuel (known as Kai), who turns three next month, to grow up aware of the country their mum considers home.

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The Painted Veil was a collaboration between Chinese and American film makers, not 'an American Japanese drama' as the article states. The sentence is a little confusing as the movie is concerned with British and Chinese relations in China. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.167.107 (talk) 13:28, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It has been addressed. Thanks. --Artoasis (talk) 05:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Under the listings of her filmography the movie Ellie Parker is listed under 2000 and 2005. It should be under 2005. I do not know how to delete something in that format without living a blank spot.Mylittlezach (talk) 01:23, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The 2000 film was a short film and the 2005 was a full length film, so the two entries are correct. Lugnuts And the horse 07:15, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Partner" or husband?

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Isn't she married? If so, her spouse should be listed as "spouse" or "husband" rather than simply "partner" as in the current InfoBox. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 06:11, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

She's not married. You can check the PL section for details.--Gunt50 (talk) 14:58, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The "d.2005" in the infobox for "partner" confuses me. Normally (in my experience) the "d." indicates death. What is it here? "Dated"? I wonder if there is a clearer way to express the idea, maybe by dropping the "d." completely. -Phoenixrod (talk) 06:48, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No responses, even during a GA review? -Phoenixrod (talk) 04:53, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: ♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:23, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Will post gradually over the next 24 hours.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:23, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lead
Done.--GDuwenTell me! 19:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done.--GDuwenTell me! 19:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Early life

This section is very good and thorough but..

The sentence is sourced by the citation that sources Peter Watts' overdose.--GDuwenTell me! 19:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done.--GDuwenTell me! 19:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Career
Early work, 1986–2000
I've added the info I could find about early roles and mentioned her appearance in Home and Away. What you think now? --Gunt50 (talk) 01:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Much better, I also filled in some gaps, that's fine now.

"Her financial situation led her to take a job out of the film industry" What was this? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:07, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to find out what was her job, but I don't seem to find nothing other than the statement of the source.--GDuwenTell me! 17:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's OK.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
2001–2004
Done.--GDuwenTell me! 21:29, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Filmography
I completed the filmography with the missing roles on TV movies, series, etc. Now it's complete.--GDuwenTell me! 17:10, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
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  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    Missing an adequate coverage of 1986-2000
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
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    No edit wars, etc:
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The sections from 2005 - end look fine and seem to contain an adequate coverage with appropriate reviews and material. Naturally I would like to see more book sources used in this article but it is not essential for this to pass GA. Should you ever consider taking this to FA at a late date I strongly encourage you to try to improve its resoursecfulness by researching through materual for possible material. I am prepared to pass this article on condition that the 1986-2000 era is greatly improved and matches the quality and coverage of the later sections. You don't have to cover every single film in detail but as a biography I would expected you to give a fair coverage of all parts of her career, even though she was not a major star then. At present there is undue weight on her success. I want to see at least five films/TV series from this period covered and I also want to know what character she played in Home and Away as I can't remember her and I watched Home and Away from around 1988! I am putting this on hold for a few days until the 1986-2000 period is considerably expanded.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:04, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work, both! Lugnuts (talk) 13:32, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We now have pass. Congratulations. But if you decide to develop this into a FA please look in google books to see if you can improve it!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Watts is Australian and British, what's with the conflict?

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See her interview with Sunrise. She claims to be both British AND Australian. When asked where she considers home, she says "Australia". It's coming from her own mouth, so leave it. She's British and she's Australian. Her mother lives in Australia, she considers it home, etc. etc. 101.103.0.98 (talk) 04:25, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

She claims to only use a British passport, and no sources have been supplied that support her ever obtaining Australian citizenship. Please supply a third-party citation that supports such citizenship. I can say I'm a Loonie from the Moon, but that doesn't make it so. If she's a British citizen and no sources say she has changed her citizenship, she remains British. Yworo (talk) 04:27, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It does not necessarily refer to citizenship, though. Quoting WP:OPENPARA: "the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident". She could very well be described as English-Australian as per that. Nymf hideliho! 21:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Really. And I thought "country" was singular, not plural. And even if multiple countries were indicated, there would still need to be citation of documentation supporting either "citizen" or "permanent resident" of Australia, the latter being a legal term, and not equivalent to "lived there a long time". Yworo (talk) 20:49, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
heh. These comical debates over 'nationality' or 'citizenship' are so typical of wikipedia. I guess that's what happens when you allow the lowest common denominator to dominate. I note that in the reference cited as support for Watts' Englishness she is quoted as saying she is both Ozzie and British (no mention of English). But, laughably, that seems not enough for some wikipedians who are demanding citation of documents, although just what I'm not sure. Really, don't you guys think that you might be taking yourselves a little bit too seriously here? As another editor has pointed out, the guidelines also refer to permanent residency, which Watts no doubt holds, or is entitled to even if she were not a citizen of Oz. But, we are so full of our own self importance that we feel entitled to go against the public utterances of the very subject of this wikipedia article then so be it. Theodore D (talk) 00:02, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

She was born in England, had an English father and lived in England for most of the first thirteen years of her life. By many (most?) objective standards she can be regarded as English, even if she chooses to self-identify as something else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.172.31.70 (talk) 01:04, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think I'd probably mirror what Betty Logan says: stick to the known facts and report as they are. She carries a British passport and lives in Australia, and that is what we should also say. If she clearly comes out one way or the other, then we can tweak, but if no clear, simple and obvious singluar answer is there, then avoid the issue (and drama) and stick to the basic facts. - SchroCat (talk) 15:10, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OPENPARA says that a person's permament residence can be mentioned, it does not say we should actively mislead readers while doing it though. Saying someone is "Australian" does not imply they are a permanent resident of Australia, it implies they are an Australian national. "Watts is a British actress who lives in Australia" is consistent with the guideline, while "Watts is a British-Australian actress" lends itself to misinterpretation. Betty Logan (talk) 15:12, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

She has both British and Australian nationality. Most people who do only carry one passport. He passport doesn't mean she's exclusively British. 110.149.193.153 (talk) 07:50, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

IP, This is an active discussion to reach a consensus about the wording used: do not edit war to your preferred version before that consensus has been reached. - SchroCat (talk) 07:55, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've requested page protection while the IP editor pushes their POV. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 11:07, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nationality is a legal concept. We can validate she is British because she was born in England and carries a British passport. To be an Australian national she would have needed to have obtained citizenship, and there is no mention of this. According to this interview she lived in England until she was 14, then lived in Australia for ten years before moving to the United States where she now lives. Australia is basically just some country she lived in for a short period in her life. She has lived in the United States for 20 years—twice as long as her residence in Australia—but no-one is clamoring to call her American. Betty Logan (talk) 13:33, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I assume the fact that she had an Australian grandmother, and holds significant ties to the country (she stated "when people ask where is home, I say Australia"), has a lot to do with it Betty. Ashton 29 (talk) 02:01, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Which is all irrelevant as far as recording somebody's nationality goes. Australian nationality is enshrined in law and it is not determined by self-identification or ties to the country. WP:OPENPARA stipulates that we should record the subject's citizenship/nationality or permanent residency if applicable. Now, as a British passport holder then she is obviously a British citizen, and having lived in the United States for the last twenty years then neither she is a permanent resident of Australia. If there is factual evidence that she has obtained Australian citizenship or that she qualifies as national under Australian law then by all means update the lede with the appropriate sources. Betty Logan (talk) 03:37, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"I assume..." No WP:OR, please. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 10:55, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's significant that she started her acting career in Australia. Australian nationality law isn't that simple, and when Watts arrived there, Australian citizens were legally still British subjects as well. Many British people did not take out Australian citizenship. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott apparently did not claim Australian citizenship until his 20s.--Jack Upland (talk) 05:55, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it is significant, that is why the article covers it. But what makes her more Australian than American for instance? She lived in Australia for about seven years, and now lives in the United States where she has spent over half her life. Moreover, she didn't become notable until she relocated to the US. The article covers her time in Australia, but it's a bit of stretch to take a 47-year-old actress who was born in another country, retained her citizenship, and only lived in Australia for a few years before permanently relocating to another country and say she is Australian. This is not like Russell Crowe who also moved to Australia fairly young, resides there and has actively sought citizenship. Betty Logan (talk) 09:15, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In other words, if she was unsuccessful she would be an Australian actress.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If she were unsuccessful she would probably be living on benefits in England. Betty Logan (talk) 11:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Golden Globes 2014

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Headline: "Aussie green and gold! Naomi Watts dazzles in metallic while Margot Robbie teams her plunging white with emerald accessories as actresses attend Golden Globes"

A bunch of other pictures from the Hollywood event. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:58, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by [citation needed] tagging

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What do others think of this edit? It screams of WP:POINT to be (based on the other edits done on this article recently by the same user). I think most of the "unsourced" info in the lead is cited elsewhere (per WP:LEADCITE). Betty Logan and Dr. Blofeld pinged as contributors (esp. Dr B for getting it to GA in the first place). Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:11, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, does indeed seem pointy!! And the lead doesn't need sourcing.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a quick look through it. The lede shouldn't be tagged of course if it doesn't include any unique or contentious claims not already covered in the main body. Betty Logan (talk) 18:25, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks both. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:14, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DOB

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An IP is repeatedly changing the year of Watts' birth from 1968 to 1969. I don't know on what basis this change is being made but it is i) unsourced and ii) contradicts the existing source that is used for the date in the article. If there is a legitimate confusion over her date of birth then both dates should be provided and sourced to be consistent with WP:NPOV. I have had a quick google and find no evidence of this other date, but even if there is some factual basis for it changing sourced content without updating the source is disruptive. Betty Logan (talk) 01:51, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, the WP:BURDEN is with the IP address to provide a reliable source, and WP:BLPREMOVE is enough to keep reverting them until they do. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:18, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Nationality

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Ive just noticed that the top section says that she is just "English". However in the category section it says she is both "English and Australian". What should we do? Say that she is just "English"? Or "both"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.142.147 (talk) 13:23, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The categories should come out because they are not supported by the article. She is a British citizen who has permanent residency in the United States. Betty Logan (talk) 13:27, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Okay then. Can i take them out then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.142.147 (talk) 13:46, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The categories are supported by the article. It is quite clear that she was raised in Australia, hence the fact that this article is within the purview of Wikiproject Australia. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 17:37, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
She lived in Australia for ten years from the age of 14 so I don't accept that qualifies her as an "Australian" actress. She has lived in the United States for longer and has done her most prominent work there but we don't call her an "American" actress. Mel Gibson for example moved to Australia at a younger age and lived there for a longer duration but yet we don't have the cats on his article. I think it is reasonable for her article to be within the purview of Wikiproject Australia because she had residency for a decade and worked in Australian film for a while but I don't see how the cats are supported by the article. She is—at the end of the day—not Australian, either by citizenship or by residence. Betty Logan (talk) 23:04, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the IP in this case in that they should all be removed. If we retain them on the basis that she was a permanent resident of Australia when she started her career we should really add the analagous American catgeories considering she has lived there the longest and the bulk of her career has been undertaken while she is a permanent resident in the US. It is a bit perverse to have her in "Australian expatriate actresses in the United States" when legally she is a British expatriate actress in the United States. Likewise it is equally perverse to have her in "Australian film producers" considering she is a British national and she has only produced while living in the US. The article is semi-protected at the moment to stop the disruption so ideally we need to resolve this before the protection expires. Betty Logan (talk) 07:20, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have added references that confirm Watts obtained Australian citizenship in 1982, and therefore should be described as “British-Australian”. BryanGaensler (talk) 01:27, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The source you added Contactmusic.com, states that "Naomi's grandmother was Australian, so in 1982, it was easy for her mother to obtain passports for the family to move to Australia." For a start, the source itself does not seem to be a high quality source. Secondly, its claim that Watts has an Australian passport is directly contradicted by Watts herself who clearly stated in 2015: "I've still got only one passport and that's British". What ContactMusic probably means is that her mother most likely obtained residency visas; however that is not the same as obtaining citizenship. Either way, Watts has been very clear on this: as of 2015 she only has a British passport. Betty Logan (talk) 02:13, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Edits changing Watts' nationality from British to English

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There have been several edits by 79.65.33.212 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and SPA Ebos32 changing Watts' nationality from British to English in the lead (as seen at [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]). Watts has a mixture of Welsh and Australian ancestry on her maternal side (her paternal side is unknown). She was born in Kent, spent her formative years split between England and Wales, her teens in Australia and most of her adult life in the United States. She is obviously not just "English" in terms of ancestry or residency, and since she only has a British passport according to the source in the article her nationality is indisputably British. Betty Logan (talk) 04:16, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Could a new Intro 1st sentence solve Nationality stress?

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Suppose the first sentence in the Intro said, “ … Watts is a British actress who has lived in England, Wales, Australia, and the United States.” Then the international nuances of her fascinating story could continue to play out as they do now in this great article. Is that a useful idea?? As a WP edit-newby, I hesitated to bring it up, but my own gut reaction to reading “British” in the current Intro was, “Oh, that’s interesting. I thought she was Australian.” (Gotta be a lot of fans on the planet with the same misunderstanding. Fixing that kind of issue with NPOV facts re such a notable BLP is a a classic WP improvement to culture.) I read all the relevant Talk discussions before presenting this idea; please forgive me if it is annoying. Thanks for all you all do!! Left Central (talk) 23:40, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If I recall, places in the lead for biographies are limited to current nationality and permanent place of residence (which incidentally is the United States these days for Naomi Watts). We shouldn't pander to the POV pushing (I don't think the editors repeatedly pushing the Australian angle are confused), but we could perhaps add some clarification in the second sentence to clear up genuine confusion by stating she moved to Australia, which is what we do in the third sentence in regards to the United States. Betty Logan (talk) 01:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think that is such a terrific solution that I worked it over and implemented a way to do it. I used a short declarative sentence for Australia, which makes the third sentence the descriptor set for her Australian career, pre-United States. If this works for people, great; if more work is needed or mine must be Reverted, that will be a good WP learning experience for me. 🌏 Thanks!! Left Central (talk) 15:15, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have tweaked it slightly to improve the flow. On the whole it's fine. Betty Logan (talk) 02:56, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Left Central (talk) 05:24, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Have a good time! Betty Logan (talk) 07:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Children, two sons

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To clear up any misunderstandings about her two children with Schreiber, she birthed two sons. Here's our content:

In 2005, Watts began a relationship with American actor Liev Schreiber. Their first child, son Alexander 'Sasha' Pete, was born in 2007, and their second son, Samuel Kai, was born in 2008.[1][2][3]

Confusion arises when one sees images of Samuel Kai, who dresses like a girl, hence some think she is Naomi's daughter. I don't know if (s)he has transitioned or not. One source says this: "13-year-old trans daughter, Kai"[6] We may need better sourcing for that. Without good sourcing, I don't think we should mention this issue in the article.

Here are some other sources that document the identities and names of the two sons (most of which are not good sources):[7][8][9][10][11][12] I'm not sure if any of them are good enough to use, especially with the caution we use in our treatment of children here. I am just providing the sources so editors won't get confused, because readers certainly are and try to change the identity from son to daughter. Naomi birthed two sons. That is a fact. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:06, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I generally agree, although if one of the children has transitioned then that will probably need to be incorporated into the article in some way—otherwise we could be dead-naming him/her—but it would require some good quality sourcing. Also, if that were to be the case then the article needs to reflect the facts, not obfuscate them by re-writing history. Betty Logan (talk) 17:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. To me, it comes down to sourcing. If multiple RS have mentioned the matter, it should usually be included. Otherwise, a failure to mention is not the same as re-writing history. It's just a failure to mention what might be dubious information because we don't have enough good sources which confirm the info.
As far as LGBTQ and transgender issues, I'm not a member of the community, but that doesn't mean I don't care. I'm a liberal and fully support their rights and choices to love whom they love, identify as they wish, and dress as they desire. I fully support laws that give them the same rights and freedoms as traditional hetero people like myself. Everyone should be respected and loved. Just sayin'. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:51, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. See recent discussion. — Chrisahn (talk) 17:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Naomi Watts & Liev Schreiber Have a Baby Boy". People. July 26, 2007. Retrieved February 29, 2020.
  2. ^ "Naomi Watts Steps Out With Samuel Kai". People. 23 December 2008. Retrieved 20 July 2022.
  3. ^ Aradillas, Elaine (12 February 2009). "Naomi Watts's Body After Baby Secret – Her Son!". People. Retrieved 20 July 2022.

Nationality

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I added Australian to the Nationality and Citizenship because Watts has spoken openly about calling Australia home, given that most of her family live there. She also gained an Australian Citizenship in 1982, so given that she has dual citizenships, I think it is important to include both countries. Fluffycat345 (talk) 09:05, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Openly describing Australia as her home does not make her Australian. Obtaining Australian citizenship does, so if you have a source for that then we could incorporate that in the article. That said, Watts herself has said she only holds a British passport as recently as 2015, so unless there is a source that corroborates the claim she has Australian citizenship then the article should describe her nationality as British. Her nationality has come up on many occasions in interviews, so given that she considers Australia her "home" it seems very strange to not mention that she has obtained Australian citizenship, if that is indeed the case. Betty Logan (talk) 14:41, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Change reference of her having two sons with Liev Schreiber to having two children. Kai has since come out as a trans girl which is reflected in the personal life section of this article. “Sons” is no longer grammatically correct. 47.156.252.146 (talk) 05:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Question: Where? ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 06:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. See recent discussion. — Chrisahn (talk) 17:05, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Need to update marital information. Watts married actor Billy Crudup in 2023. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Crudup Redpine13 (talk) 17:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. already says this in the lead, the infobox, and in the personal life sections. What more do you want? Cannolis (talk) 19:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Is a British Australian actress 58.179.108.116 (talk) 10:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Betty Logan (talk) 10:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correction needed from stating she has 2 "sons"

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You have listed she has 2 'sons', but you should fix that because even per the 'personal life' section, one is considered a daughter even though she was born a male. 66.188.89.1 (talk) 02:27, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You will need to provide a source to that effect before we change anything in the article. Betty Logan (talk) 03:50, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Personal life section says:
Their son Sasha was born in 2007, and their daughter Kai, who was assigned male at birth,[1] was born in 2008.[2][3][4]

References

  1. ^ Quihuiz, Ariana (28 June 2024). "Naomi Watts' 2 Children: All About Sasha and Kai". People Magazine. Retrieved 30 June 2024.
  2. ^ "Naomi Watts & Liev Schreiber Have a Baby Boy". People. July 26, 2007. Retrieved February 29, 2020.
  3. ^ "Naomi Watts Steps Out With Samuel Kai". People. 23 December 2008. Archived from the original on 2021-04-10. Retrieved 20 July 2022.
  4. ^ Aradillas, Elaine (12 February 2009). "Naomi Watts's Body After Baby Secret – Her Son!". People. Retrieved 20 July 2022.
The claim "their daughter Kai, who was assigned male at birth" was introduced by an anonymous user in July 2024. The source for that claim [13] doesn't actually mention the younger child's gender. It contains a photo of Kai, but the text always says "child", never "daughter" or "girl" (and neither "son" or "boy"), and doesn't use any pronouns for the child. I think we'll have to change that sentence, unless we can find a source that explicitly says something about the child's gender.
But in the meantime, we should probably change the lead from "sons" to "children". — Chrisahn (talk) 06:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I found a source from September 2024 that says "daughter". So that's done. Can we now change the lead from "sons" to "children"? I think that would be best. — Chrisahn (talk) 07:37, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Betty Logan: You added this note about "sons" in the lead in July. Made sense at the time, but since we now have a source saying "daughter", I think we should change it. What do you think? — Chrisahn (talk) 07:48, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also see the discussion #Children, two sons . (I hadn't seen it before I wrote my comment above.) — Chrisahn (talk) 07:14, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If we have a source for it then I don't have a problem with initiating the change. Betty Logan (talk) 16:50, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done! — Chrisahn (talk) 16:52, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We should remove the names of the children

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WP:BLPNAME says:

The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons. The names of any immediate, former, or significant family members or any significant relationship of the subject of a BLP may be part of an article, if reliably sourced, subject to editorial discretion that such information is relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject.

A note on the last sentence says:

This is generally interpreted by the community to include the removal of names of non-notable minors from articles about their notable family members, such as when a notable individual births or sires a non-notable minor.

The names of Watts' children are not "relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject". We should remove them. We could simply change the sentence "Their son Sasha was born in 2007, and their daughter Kai, who was assigned male at birth, was born in 2008" to "Their son was born in 2007, and their daughter, who was assigned male at birth, was born in 2008". Any other suggestions / thoughts? — Chrisahn (talk) 17:03, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a problem with removing their names. It would also avoid the potential issue of dead-naming in this case, if Kai's name is pre-transition. Betty Logan (talk) 22:42, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll go ahead and remove the names. (Doesn't really matter anymore after the removal, but the source [14] talks about "daughter Kai", so dead-naming is not an issue in this case.) — Chrisahn (talk) 23:49, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Watts' book has been published. Please add the following new section.

==Publications==

* {{cite book | last=Watts | first=Naomi | title=Dare I Say It | publisher=Random House | publication-place=New York | date=2025-01-21 | isbn=978-0-593-72903-8}}<ref>{{cite web | last=Kelly | first=Mary Louise | title=Naomi Watts' new book reflects on the hidden parts of menopause | website=NPR | date=2025-01-21 | url=https://www.npr.org/2025/01/21/nx-s1-5082450/naomi-watts-new-book-reflects-on-the-hidden-parts-of-menopause | access-date=2025-01-28}}</ref>

Thanks 76.14.122.5 (talk) 02:56, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest that instead of a new section we add a sentence in Other work Chrisahn (talk) 03:42, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK. How's this:
Watts released her first book, ''Dare I Say It: Everything I Wish I'd Known About Menopause'',<ref>{{cite book | last=Watts | first=Naomi | title=Dare I Say It | publisher=Random House | publication-place=New York | date=2025-01-21 | isbn=978-0-593-72903-8}}</ref> on January 21, 2025. Drawing from her personal experiences with perimenopause, which she began navigating at age 36, she attempts to destigmatize discussions around menopause and provide a supportive resource for women facing similar challenges.<ref>{{cite web | last=Harris | first=Scarlett | title=Naomi Watts gets frank about menopause in new book that draws on her own experience | website=Los Angeles Times | date=2025-01-21 | url=https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2025-01-21/naomi-watts-menopause-book | access-date=2025-01-28}}</ref><ref>{{cite web | last=Kelly | first=Mary Louise | title=Naomi Watts' new book reflects on the hidden parts of menopause | website=NPR | date=2025-01-21 | url=https://www.npr.org/2025/01/21/nx-s1-5082450/naomi-watts-new-book-reflects-on-the-hidden-parts-of-menopause | access-date=2025-01-28}}</ref>
thanks 76.14.122.5 (talk) 23:04, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seems a bit long and WP:BUZZWORDy to me. I wonder what others think.
By the way, are you her agent? Or working for Random House? The text you suggested is quite polished. Good job! A bit too shiny for Wikipedia though. Also, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID. In case these apply to you: I don't think it's a big deal as long as you only suggest content and don't add it yourself, but you should be aware of these policies and their disclosure requirements. Thanks! — Chrisahn (talk) 18:16, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...are you her agent? Or working for Random House? No to both those questions. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 19:03, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]