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Principality of Nitra was one of the History good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones Date Process Result December 24, 2013 Peer review Not reviewed June 13, 2014 Good article nominee Listed October 4, 2019 Good article reassessment Delisted A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 16, 2014. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that much of the history of the Principality of Nitra remains uncertain? Current status: Delisted good article

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This article is labeled a "Good article", but lacks photographic evidence of archaeological material, references to primary sources, contemporary coins, etc. All it has is a debated map and a photo of a modern day romanticized statue. Is this still a "Good article"?

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Principality of Nitra/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Article includes multiple improvment tags, it's also much much shorter than it's original GA counterpart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NightBag10 (talk • contribs)

Just pinging Borsoka and 3family6 to make sure they are aware of this. AIRcorn (talk) 20:20, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't think this meets current standards for verifiablity. There are large chunks of text with no way for the reader to figure out how to reference them to a source. buidhe 21:07, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Yes, this article has been changed substantially, and unfortunately does not meet GA criteria anymore.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 17:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Agree, it does not meet GA criteria and should be relisted. Borsoka (talk) 05:10, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since Nightbag10 has not edited in a while and we have a good consensus here I am going to delist this. AIRcorn (talk) 02:32, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Any citations about that flag? Or is it just 21st century fan work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.182.52.134 (talk) 11:36, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

it has, read it in upper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeyroxpay (talk • contribs) 19:03, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No. The article doesn't name a single source, the file description page doesn't name a single source. Remove. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.107.115.80 (talk) 13:11, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://books.google.com/books?id=9NQ6DQAAQBAJ&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=geza+duke+of+nitra&source=bl&ots=KVWBTfpguF&sig=ACfU3U3oTck0opH-IgbPzVlZeWW7ILs17Q&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=geza%20duke%20of%20nitra&f

https://books.google.com/books?id=9NQ6DQAAQBAJ&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=geza+duke+of+nitra+battle+mogyorod&source=bl&ots=KVWBTfpkvE&sig=ACfU3U3ClgbijFsfa4eWJRw7ZmvsGYKliA&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=geza%20duke%20of%20nitra%20battle%20mogyorod&f

https://colnect.com/en/coins/coin/63475-1_Denar-1064%7E1074_-_G%C3%A9za_Duke-Hungary , https://colnect.com/en/coins/coin/63475-1_Denar-1064%7E1074_-_G%C3%A9za_Duke-Hungary https://esacademic.com/pictures/eswiki/67/Chronicon_Pictum_P85_M%C3%B3gyor%C3%B3di_csata.JPG Battle of Mogyoród, Géza against king Solomon, the King's flag were the red and white stripes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeyroxpay (talk • contribs) 16:33, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A coin is not a flag. Learn logic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.107.115.80 (talk) 17:07, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

in medieval times, flags were based from the coins, seals etc. Also, you can see it in the Chronicum pictum. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeyroxpay (talk • contribs) 17:13, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There were no coat of arms until the end of 12th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CumbererStone (talk • contribs) 16:49, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Since somebody has had the nerve to post the flag of Nitra with a false source claiming that it states that the flag was the official flag of the principality of Nitra (OMG what a patent nonsense, really), let me type out the "referenced" part from the book called Eight Centuries of Slovak Heraldry on page 61:
Iný panovnícky symbol - zástava - tvorí erb Nitry. Toto niekdajšie centrum Pribinovho kniežatstva, neskoršieho veľkomoravského Nitrianska, ktoré doznievalo ešte v prvom storočí Uhorského kráľovstva v podobe nitrianskeho pohraničného kniežatstva, sa tiež vyznamenalo za tatárskeho vpádu v r. 1241-1242. R. 1248 dostalo mestské privilégiá a zaviedlo ako svoj erb rameno držiace kráľovskú zástavu, čo azda súvisí s tým, že v privilégiu malo mesto stanovené postaviť pod kráľovskú zástavu dvanásť rytierov.
So long story short the source itself affirms that Nitra has adopted its coat-of-arms only in 1248 when it gained town privileges and it doesn't even talk about flags, let alone assert this hogwash that it has been used as an official flag of an entity quite a few centuries before the appearance of heraldry itself. Please, just stop with this already. -- CoolKoon (talk) 21:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It would be good what is the real historical source or archeological evidence about a flag for this short lived state (c. 825–c. 870). The image description itself says that this is just a speculation and from much later: File:Flag of the Principality of Nitra.svg: "The origin of the flag comes from the 13th century, as a part of the Nitra's seal and also from the coin of the Gejza I." King Géza I of Hungary is 11th century.

[1] This is also total incorrect to adopt coat of arm of King Béla III of Hungary from the 12th century.

I support to remove that photoshopped fiction flag. OrionNimrod (talk) 21:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here in the talk page I wrote detailed explanation that I saw a “Slovakia” fake flag from the Chronicon Pictum from “1300” together with this photoshopped fiction 21st century made Nyitra fan flag for the 9th century in total incorrect way. I saw the wrong content was copy pasted here also. OrionNimrod (talk) 23:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What's the reasoning behind replacing the old map with this one?Basserr (talk) 19:42, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There was no Hungary in the 9th Century in Pannonia, let alone a Kingdom of Hungary. There were only a few nomadic raiding Magyar squatters taking shelter in Pannonia, chased out of Asia by the Huns for their pillage and plunder lifestyle, like the Scythians and the Avars before them. Pannonia was inhabited by Slovaks. Even today only 5% of the gene pool in Pannonia is Magyar, 40% are Slovak, then the German and other genes. The Magyars continued raiding Westward, all the way to France and Spain. The Bavarians got fed up with it and organized an expedition down the river Danube to wipe them out, like Charlemagne did with the Avars before. They had a green leader, were overconfident, got separated along the Danube, did not post guards and sentries. In July 907 the Magyars jumped the Southern bank group with a hit and run attack, drew them out into a trap and killed them all. Arpad and his sons died in this action. Danube river was very shallow in July. Next night the Magyars crossed the Danube, hit the Northern group camp and killed them in their sleep. Next day they burned the supply fleet on the river with fire arrows and killed the rest. Thereafter the Magyars raided Bavaria for a few decades, trying to take it over. Until Emperor Otto 3 stopped them at Lechfeld near Augsburg, killed the leaders, then hunted down and killed all the survivors, trying to make it back to Pannonia. Then the Magyars accepted Christianity and formed a quasi Western style Kingdom. But they continued their pillage and plunder lifestyle among themselves and everybody else, becoming fragmented and weak. In the 13th Century the Mongol Golden Horde invaded and depopulated the Kingdom of Hungary with genocide even more. With the experienced crusaders from the Holy Land the locals built hundreds of castles and organized the effective heavy cavalry. 60 years later the next Tatar invasion was completely annihilated, aided by the cold winter, starvation and famine. In 1537 the Ottoman Empire wiped out the fragmented Kingdom of Hungary again, at the battle of Mohacs. The green king placed the cobbled Hungarian army in a swamp, where they could not move. The Turks placed many guns on the surrounding hills and completely wiped them out, shooting them like the fish in a barrel, similar to Dien Bien Phu in our times. Jan Zapolsky from Transylvania waited in the wings to join the winner. He then joined the Turks or the Austrians as it suited him, going forward. Whoever could, escaped to the mountains in Northern Slovakia, where Jakob Fugger from a wool merchant family in Augsburg, Bavaria founded and secured the first industrial syndicate, working the Slovak gold silver and copper mines. He invented the military industrial complex that we have to this day. He financed all the wars and politics in Europe. Became the richest man on this Planet, ever. This went on until Napoleon showed up and established a new world order for 20 years, under the banner "Liberte, Fraternite, Egalite". Until he was finished at Waterloo. His ideals flared up again in 1848, all around Europe. The revolution lasted the longest in Hungary, 2 years. Vienna asked Russia for help. The Czar sent 200,000 Cossacks and finished it. Then in 1867 Prussia attacked Austria and weakened it. Hungary demanded and were granted autonomy in 1868. Then they viciously oppressed and persecuted all the other nationalities for the next 50 years. It ended in 1918. Meantime Prussia provoked, attacked and knocked out France. A revolt broke out in Paris commune, with a bloody end, creating the communist movement. This was transplanted to Russia by Germany in 1917, sending Lenin there from Switzerland in a sealed train, to create havoc and take Russia out of the war. You know the rest. It morphed into greed and corruption, that we face today. 38.70.212.105 (talk) 04:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]