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B Hall

Hi 28, I don't know how to go any further with all this, unless I simply interview my mother (I have; in the past, but at 92 it may be hard for her) and use that as a reference. There is nothing in any newspapers or books about her nervous breakdown. I have some stuff in my journal of the 1970s (the 60s burned in a house fire). So, it's from my personal experience. Is there a way to use this as a source? It is not that important, I suppose,that my mother have her own W. page, but it seems unfair because she has great respect among the Underground Cartoonists who all feel that my father got all the attention and my mother just got to be sick and sad for years (they also resent her being urged to give up cartooning as a "low" artistic occupation because commercial). She is a great artist, I believe. I know she's had art exhibits and even had her own gallery in Randolph, VT for a time in the 70s. But I don't know where to find any written proof of all that. I'd just like to be able to show her her encyclopedic page before she dies, I suppose. (She's healthy at the present...) My brother died in 2008 and this has been hard for her, of course. I'd like her to know that her life has been of value despite her "lost years" and that many people think more highly of her even than of Irving... she and he created QH together. Would data from the Town Clerk's office about their registering the land be of any use? The creation of Lyman Hall, our family corporation? Family papers and newspaper clippings from the Western/Southern part of the family (very proud of its Revolutionary and Southern (CSA) background)? Thanks for your help. Isabella Songcat (talk) 15:29, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Isabella. Just to be clear, I think we have a good shot at having a page for her; we just have to be careful what goes in it. Do you or she have a personal website? That might be the best place to "originate" the information, perhaps in the form of an interview as you suggest. The Wikipedia article could then link to that page for further reading, and perhaps also use it for a source. 28bytes (talk) 15:42, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi There 28, I do have a website (two of them: http://quarryhillcreativecenter.blogspot.com (with a painting by Barbara as part of the decoration, or the logo, perhaps, one might say). I also have http://quarryhillcreativecenter.wordpress.com because we have a literary magazine, The Moon Seen in Water, for photos, articles, poems, etc. that are created by Quarry Hill or ex-QH (or friends of QH) people. My mother does not have a blog, but I just found this. I had given the people creating this page some info and a family photo. But I didn't know they had done this. Take a look: http://womenincomics.wikia.com/wiki/Barbara_Hall Thanks! Isabella Songcat (talk) 13:35, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Isabella. Thanks for those links; I will take a look, although it might not be for a couple of days as I am very swamped at work right now. Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 16:01, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

External links are use when they are needed, and that is when the topic is either not covered by wikipedia at all or when what can be found is insufficient, not actualised or even wrong. It seems as if you critics and editors, or what you call yourselves have all the time in the world to criticise and send simple users like me into the wikipedia quagmire of text, obstructions, useless templates and guidelines, which steals oceans of time, that normally working people do not have. I start doubring what the objective of wikipedia is ..... and I paid money to support it ... You are not helpful at all. This in particular goes for copyrights. No matter how much information I proivde to that end - even when we have produced figures and images ourselves here at ESA, that is not enough ... what is enough? How you can help? 1) relate to the case and TRY TO UNDERSTAND what it is about. This is a precondition for doing anything constructive 2) On the basis of 1), suggest a CONCRETE solution and do not send me into the hour-stealing waste of time, browsing through page after page of wikwipedia instructions.

Keep going like this and WIkipedia will be increasingly criticesed for the impossible editing cionsidtions.

Get your act together, become aware of how one needs to be helpful and constructive in accordance with today's ICT requirements, and we MAYBE make progress.

The frustration level here is just iunder the ceiling, as you can see - I had never imagined that writing text on Wikipedia would be that bothersome and the 'help' initiatives that destructive. Belmann3 (talk) 08:40, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Belmann3. I recall helping you in June by moving some of the inline external links of ELIPS: European Programme for Life and Physical Sciences in Space to their proper location at the bottom of the article, but I haven't done anything with that article since then, so perhaps you can refresh my memory on what it is you need help with? 28bytes (talk) 16:09, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Help with Usifying or Undeleting JISC MediaHub Page

Hi there, I received a notification at 8.53 this morning that a page I had created on JISC Mediahub (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JISC_Mediahub) had been marked for speedy deletion and with the reason given being "because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article.".

When I logged in (around 11am) to see the notification in full and to look at how to rewrite the article to meet requirements appropriately the page had already been deleted. My intent in creating the page was to provide information on the JISC MediaHub service as it is a JISC-funded - and therefore publicly funded - national service of significance in the academic sector. I intended to provide background information on the service and the context in which it sits as I think this will be of use and interest to those using Wikipedia to find out about academic websites and services. The intention was not to be promotional but to provide information connecting to a number of existing articles on JISC and JISC funded services and the broader context of multimedia websites.

I am hoping that you may be able to help me to understand why this page was deleted so swiftly and how I might best be able to improve the page (in which case it would be useful to have the usified version to work on) or create a new page that meets the rules appropriately.

When I created a login for Wikipedia I quite self-consciously chose to be transparent about my name and role as this seemed like the best way to be accountable and credible but I am concerned that I have been singled out as a spammer for this reason as I note that another page I contributed to (but did not create) on Repository Fringe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repository_Fringe) - an annual conference of significant importance to the UK repository community - has also been deleted in the last fortnight.

Any assistance you can provide would be hugely appreciated.

NicolaOsborne (talk) 11:53, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I have e-mailed you the contents of the article. You are welcome to copy the contents to a userspace draft (for example, User:NicolaOsborne/drafts/JISC MediaHub) but before you take the article "live" please take a look at the relevant guidelines regarding notability and veriability. The inclusion of third-party reliable sources in the article is key to ensuring its survival. 28bytes (talk) 16:08, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello there!

That what he looking for anyway, and when he planked the page he just concerned that as a fully (deletion). and he should not remove the tag since he tagged the page, he should let the page for deletion by any admin. also he did not use the summary box and you know we are using Huggle and the edits are appear in text format. Thank you my friend and have a good day. Sean (Hit) 18:32, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes

He was serious. [1] siafu (talk) 20:57, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that. Had me reaching for my banhammer, actually, before I thought better of it and just opened an AN thread. 28bytes (talk) 21:07, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Filter 394

a long time has passed and the stated purpose when this filter was created has not materialized. Sole Soul (talk) 11:11, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

If John doesn't object feel free to disable. 28bytes (talk) 16:56, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

article deletion

please delete this article Eshan Sharma — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raul341 (talk • contribs) 07:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

What he said. 28bytes (talk)

Email

(Note: If you want, I won't give YGM notices anymore)Jasper Deng (talk) 04:13, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

No worries, I don't always have my e-mail up, so the notices are fine. Received and replied. 28bytes (talk) 04:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

My page got Deleted - can you help?

Hi,

My page on the company 'Catch Digital' was Deleted due to Copyright infringement.

...This is annoying, as I work for Catch and have PERMISSION to use our imagery and text.

I was hoping you could revive my Article on 'Catch Digital' from deletion so I can begin working on it again. Also, could you explain to me how I can provide the necessary copyright information to prevent further Deletion.

Thanks for your time, Josh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josh.rodrigues (talk • contribs) 11:30, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The real question is whether you are allowing every person on the planet to use and modify the text or not, all without permission. →Στc. 23:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi Josh. I will reply on your talk page. 28bytes (talk) 01:05, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

A beer for you

Thankyou for participating in my request for adminship. Now I've got lots of extra buttons to try and avoid pressing by mistake... Redrose64 (talk) 15:03, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, and congratulations! 28bytes (talk) 17:09, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Khushus from Batyar, Aali Kadal, Srinagar,Kashmir

can you pls help me with a copy of the deleted page as mentioned in the subject line

Thank you i anticipation

ashish — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashishkhushu (talk • contribs) 05:50, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I have e-mailed you the contents of the deleted article. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. 28bytes (talk) 02:25, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

False info posted about me.

Hi. Thank you in advance for your help. I recently noticed info about me that is totally false. My name is Charlotte Carosh. The info posted about me under Kathleen Hagen, MD is not true. I'm not currently nor have I ever been investigated for elder abuse or any other abuse. My record is clean and have no idea how this was even allowed to be written. Please erase my name from any and all articles on this Site.

Thank you for taking care of this issue as soon as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.10.70 (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the talk page comments you refer to. If you have any further trouble, our biography of living persons noticeboard will be able to assist you. 28bytes (talk) 02:37, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Interview with Wikimedia Foundation

Hello 28bytes, I hope you're well. My name is Aaron and I'm one of the Storytellers working on the 2011 fundraiser here at the Wikimedia Foundation. For this year's campaign we're seeking out and interviewing active Wikipedians like yourself, in order to produce a broader and more representative range of "personal appeals" to run come November. If you'd like to participate in this project, please email me at amuszalski@wikimedia.org. Interviews are typically conducted by phone or Skype and take between 30-90 minutes. Thanks! Aaron (WMF) (talk) 19:18, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

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B. Hall Part 2

Hi 28, it's me again, Songcat. I am still trying to get Barbara Hall's Wikipedia article into Wikipedia. I can't understand it because she has done so much. She helped create Quarry Hill Creative Center which HAS a Wiki, she and Irving Fiske (who has a Wiki) created QH together and she is one of the last female cartoonists in the country from the WWII era. I have tried to make the thing seem more objective,but I am afraid that the problem of the person who keeps throwing it back is that they don't believe a woman is as important as a man, no matter what she does. I could be wrong, but??? Is there any other help or advice you can give me??

Chazz tried to give me some advice. Sources, sources, sources...Won't the ones for QHCC work as well for Barbara? Songcat (talk) 21:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC) Thanks... 67.142.173.20 (talk) 21:56, 26 October 2011 (UTC) 67.142.173.20 (talk) 21:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look tonight and see what I can do. 28bytes (talk) 22:08, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Please bear with me, I've got a lot of things competing for my time... I will try to set aside some time this evening to look. 28bytes (talk) 19:00, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Reqeusting 1RR exemption to enforce talk page consensus

The IP's removal of two sentences was in line with the talk page consensus there, but another user reverted that. This is one of the unresolved mysteries of our revert rules - reverting to enforce consensus.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:13, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jasper. Looks like the 1RR exemption wasn't needed, as other editors stepped in to help. In general I would expect that multiple other editors would be willing to enforce consensus, so don't feel like the burden is on you to do that. 28bytes (talk) 18:58, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Actually, the other editor reverted the consensus-supported edit made by the IP.Jasper Deng (talk) 19:15, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes, that editor tends to use rollback more liberally than the policies suggest is appropriate. Your use of undo + an edit summary was the right thing to do. 28bytes (talk) 19:19, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I see you're talking about Ohnoitsjamie (talk · contribs). But in any case, I think I have consensus for another undo w/ an edit summary.Jasper Deng (talk) 22:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

My revert of your edit

First of all, let me apologise. Until your msg on my page I had no idea that I had performed that edit, the page is not on my watch list. I think the explanation goes something like this. You earlier closed an RfA which was on my watchlist. When it appeared as closed on my watch list I followed your name tag and clicked on your contributions during which my very sensitive touchpad must have drifted onto that article and activated the rollback. I can only apologise again. This has not happened before and is made worse by the fact I went offline until just now so didn't see the error in my own contributions list. Thanks to my Big Brother co-editor for spotting my mistake. Best. Leaky Caldron 19:42, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

No worries! It's easy to click that rollback link accidentally; I know I've done it myself. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't something else going on. Cheers, 28bytes (talk) 19:55, 27 October 2011 (UTC)