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Heyo. Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for participating in the discussion. Before I came on the scene, the Yom Kippur War article was heavily biased and read as though the war ended on the same note that it began. Essentially, everything after the first two days was a fog. In truth, despite the fallout in Israel, the war resulted in a decisive victory for the IDF. See the excerpts below:
Fallout in Israel occurred because their memories of the Six Day War were still vivid thus resulting in higher military expectations. Conversely, the Arab defeat in the Six Day War was so decisive that it very much lowered Arab military expectations. On the eve of the Yom Kippur War, the situation was such that anything short of a total Arab rout would be considered an "Arab victory." The open nature of Israeli society and Israeli panache for self-criticism contributed to the hysteria. Conversely, dictatorships in Syria and Egypt glossed over or covered up their failures, which far outweighed their minor achievements. Thus, the perception immediately following the war was one of gloom in Israel and euphoria among the Arabs. However, upon objective reflection, as Rabinovich aptly put it, “As a military feat, the IDF’s performance in the Yom Kippur War dwarfed that in the Six Day War.”--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 07:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
BorisG, I understand your concern about recentism and not turning this encyclopedia into a compendium of news article. Nevertheless, if we abided by your interpretation of recentism, we would have nothing placed in the "Ambassadorship" section of Michael Oren's page. Everything currently in there can be interpreted as irrelevant. And what would be an example of something he has did or will do that IS notable? Everything an ambassador does can be viewed as simple daily actions. Thoughts? I appreciate your concern. Plot Spoiler (talk) 18:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for rewriting that "ineptitude" sentence! RomaC (talk) 11:31, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Regarding this, the recourse is deletion review: WP:DRV. The close is so obviously out of whack with the discussion, that it will almost certainly be reversed. Momma's Little Helper (talk) 20:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
This afd in which you participated is being discussed at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 March 12.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 00:02, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
For this I appreciate the fact that you've recognized my contributions.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 17:02, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Regarding Six-Day War, don't give up yet. I'm hoping that if some simple ground rules can be enforced by an admin or two who stay out of the argument but remain engaged in the argument's conduct, then progress can be made toward improving the article. Folks other than JRH could be suggesting changes too. ~Amatulić (talk) 00:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
So, your native language is Russian? Mine is too. BTW I have been to Perth. Western Australia is a beautiful place. We rented a car and drove to Exmouth, where I snorkeled with whale sharks, then in Coral Bay I snorkeled with manta rays, and then in Monkey Mia I fed the dolphins, but the biggest adventure was driving on the "wrong" side of the road, not to say that kangaroos and emus were crossing the road just in front of our car :). Sorry for the image. Those are my old film pictures taken with point and shot camera, but just to give you an idea about our adventures in Western Australia. Have you ever been to those places?--Mbz1 (talk) 03:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC) Thank you for your kind message. No I haven't been to those places yet, this is a very long drive for me. In my ten years here (gosh!) I have been all over the South West and also in beautiful rain forrest of Far North Queensland. BTW why are you retired but still involved? I am a little confused. Didn't know if a message on an inactive User talk page is appropriate, but how else can I reply? Cheers. - BorisG (talk) 06:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Here's the article that I wrote a few months ago Robert Kennedy in Palestine (1948). You cannot imagine what followed after I did. I was dragged over fishing SPI, and even when it came out as unrelated, I was not allowed to remove the absolutely ungrounded accusation neither from the article's talk page nor from the article's deletion request. I was discussed at AN/I endlessly and unfairly blocked. My DYK nomination for the article was denied by user:Gatoclass, who abused his administrative power, when he took the hook out of a Queue. In the deletion request of the article user:Gatoclass claimed it was a "rant". Then I wrote another article about 800 years old Maimonides Synagogue. Once again DYK nomination was declined by user:Gatoclass, who wrote: "This looks to me like another exercise in POV-pushing from Mbz. Could there be any more demonization of Muslims crammed into this article" The comment was made on April the second. If you are to look at the history of the article, you would see that there was no "demonization of Muslims" at all. After that I filed my first ever AE about user:Gatoclass conduct. My AE is here (please click "show" to expand it). If you are to read it, you will see that user:Gatoclass has opposed many DYK nominations that were positive to Israel and/or negative to Arabs. As a result of my AE I was topic banned for 3 months. My ban was enforced very strictly, and I was blocked 3 times for so called ban violations. After my second block I appealed the ban. It still hurts to read this appeal over. Not only it was angrily denied, but I was threatened with "escalating blocks" or even a permaban. One of the users, who urged to decline my appeal was user:Vexorg. In case you were lucky enough never meet that user, let me please introduce him to you by only 2 of his many contributions:arguing that the "Zionist Occupation Government" conspiracy isn't anti-semitic;removing a note that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is anti-semitic.Here's one of his recent appearance on AN/I. For some unknown to me reason that user was never topic banned, he's running free and continues to introduce his nonsense to the articles, and that kind of user commented on my appeal! It seemed so extremely unfair. Some of the other commentators, who argued to decline my appeal were not any better. No matter what eventually I have learned to love my topic ban because it helped me to write quite a few articles that I enjoyed writing, and that probably would not have been written, if I was not topic banned. Why? It might sounds silly, but I wanted to prove to my banning administrator that I am capable of making useful contributions because every time he/she blocked me he/she added a template to my talk page that read in part: "You are welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires." So I tried really, really hard to make those positive contributions, but my blocking administrator never liked me anyway. But back to user:Gatoclass. One of the articles I wrote was Sol Hachuel. Poor user:Gatoclass has missed the DYK nomination for that one, so the article got promoted and appeared at the main page. Still user:Gatoclass made a few comment on the article's talk page. One of them read: "The presentation is overtly sympathetic to the subject, which violates NPOV". Then there were a few other incidents with Gato,but we did work together at the two articles I wrote, and he helped to fix my English, and remove my POV :). I am not saying that I have not done anything wrong, but I am sure that I did not deserve even 50% of what was done to me. Sorry for the long message. I wrote it in the response to your post, where you wrote that you "do not have enough experience to know what is the bar here". So I felt like sharing my own "experience" with you. Please feel absolutely free to delete it. Best.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:34, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
BorisG, in expressing your opposition for my proposed edit, you said:
The sentence is sourced to a RS. Unless it is shown that this is not what the source says, it can stay. I don't have the source to check.
The question is not whether the cited source says what the article says it says. The question is whether the UNEF mandate says what the cited source says it says, and I've demonstrated to you that it does not. Again, the current version says:
This sentence does not accurately reflect the UNEF mandate. UNEF was established by the General Assembly under Resolution 1000 (November 5, 1956), which "Establishes a United Nations Command for an Emergency International Force to secure and supervise the cessation of hostilities in accordance with all the terms of General Assembly resolution 997 (ES-I) of 2 November 1956"[2]
Resolution 997 noted "the disregard on many occasions by parties to the Israel-Arab armistice agreements of 1949 of the terms of such agreements, and that the armed forces of Israel have penetrated deeply into Egyptian territory in violation of the General Armistice Agreement between Egypt and Israel of 24 February 1949". It urged a cease-fire, urged withdrawal from Egyptian territory.[3]
The statement on the UNEF mandate that currently exists is therefore a demonstrable mischaracterization that patently violates WP:NPOV and WP:WEIGHT. Again, the question of whether the source says what the article says it says (I presume it does, and am not contesting that at all), is irrelevant. What is relevant is the actual UNEF mandate. The article MUST accurately reflect what that mandate was. The current wording does not. Hence my proposed fix:
I fail to see what could possibly be controversial about this, or what reason you or anyone else could possibly have to object to this, other than that you just don't like me (please correct me if I'm wrong). I am sorry if I've offended you in some way on the talk page. But please don't allow your personal feelings towards me cloud your judgment with regard to this proposed edit. Whatever you and I may think of each other, the real issue here is the article itself, and I would like to think you and I can work together amicably and reasonably to improve the article. Sincerely, JRHammond (talk) 05:48, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah not a sleep loss issue - but bizarredly there are as many usages either way - cheers SatuSuro 23:43, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I responded. I accidentally removed your content during the revert, but I will gladly re-add it. Bravo Foxtrot (talk) 02:27, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Hey BorisG,
Just want to mention that I appreciate and take your point. Obviously you're right in saying that the JFK assassination was less disputably "assassination" than Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh. My question though is; what "test" do we use to decide whether we call something "killing" versus "assassination". Frankly, I think the "majority of RS" test is in the best spirit of WP:V and ought to be applied.
This whole argument come against the backdrop of User:Epeefleche's personal mission to eliminate use of the word "assassination" in any article involving an Israeli action.
Anyways, hope you don't mind me posting here.
Best NickCT (talk) 17:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Boris G,
Just left an edit on the above talk page regarding your recent edit, want to make sure you get a chance to see it and respond if you wish.
Best,
fx6893 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fx6893 (talk • contribs) 03:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your recent comment at WP:AE. PhilKnight (talk) 18:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I have seen it; I am not ignoring it and willl answer it as soon as I possibly can. Today has been rather busy wiki-wise and even more demandingly in the real world too. Then I typed an answer and found a better example. Can you bear with me? Thanks. Giacomo 19:25, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Wehwalt suggested that you might be an editor willing to help out with a new article that he and I are working on. I have been working on creating an article for the 1907 Tiflis bank robbery, which I think is fascinating. Any help you could provide would be most appreciated. You can find the draft article here User:Remember/Tiflis Bank Robbery. Thanks. Remember (talk) 14:49, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
We should do an article together. You are knowledgeable in areas I favor, and you are clearly more of a detail person than me.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:58, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I have finally finished going through all of the comments and all of the new sources. Here is the revised article User:Remember/Tiflis Bank Robbery if you want to review it. The parts in bold are the parts that I need you, BorisG, to provide me with his citation to the article that you summarized. I am now feeling like this article is good enough to at least go live (it doesn't have to be a GA just to get started) so I would like to put it up in mainspace soon. I figure I can revise and improve as time goes on. Your thoughts? Remember (talk) 15:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
FYI- I fixed the coding problem for multiple sources, by just using <ref name='Nicolaevsky'/> as the short cite to refer to the complete citation. So all you need to do now is review all of the bolded sentences to make sure that they are substantiated by your source that I cited to. Then we should be done! (Or at least closer to done). Once again, thanks for your help! I think your assistance has greatly helped the article, and I really appreciate it. Remember (talk) 13:54, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
I think the article is now completely ready for mainspace. Please feel free to review one last time or comment on the proposed name and DYK that are stated at the bottom of the discussion page. Thanks again for all of your help in this, I really really appreciate it. Remember (talk) 18:14, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
I've responded to your comment in the WP:AE. In short, it is about completely different edits, which weren't considered in the AE so far. Or did you meant something other?--Dojarca (talk) 08:37, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Quick question: You inserted the following into the draft article "Soonafter, Lenin's associates burned all the 500 Ruble notes remaining in their possession." and you cited "'Krupskaya - Years of Reaction - Geneva - 1908" but I could not find any mention of the individuals burning the notes in Krupskaya in this section. Is that what you were citing he book for or was it for another proposition? Can you point to where she says that they were planning to burn the notes? Remember (talk) 17:37, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
The Teamwork Barnstar | ||
I award you this barnstar of teamwork for helping me get the 1907 Tiflis bank robbery article ready for the mainspace. I greatly appreciate all the help you gave me, and this is the least I could do to show my appreciation. Remember (talk) 23:00, 16 December 2010 (UTC) |
p.s. The article has already been nominated (without prompting) as a good article by a Dr. Blofeld and is nominated as a DYK! Thanks again for all of your help!! Remember (talk) 23:00, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
I think our collaboration on the Tiflis robbery worked very well, and I just wanted to bring up again the idea of working on another article if that was something that interested you and Wehwalt. Some other articles that I think need to be created or drastically revised that are related to the Tiflis robbery include: a total re-write of the Kamo article, creation of the Bolshevik Centre article, creation of the Dr. Jacob Zhitomirsky article (which may be fascinating since he was a double agent that really got in deep with the Bolsheviks). Alternatively, I would love to see the Tiflis article make it to FA status, if you or Wehwalt want to continue to work on this. As for random other ideas, I have been meaning to make an article on the Christian Front, which currently doesn't exist. This was an organization supported by Charles Coughlin and which was later raided by FBI for plotting to overthrow the government. Also, if there is any article that you are working on that I could help out with, just let me know. Cheers! Remember (talk) 16:41, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
On 20 December 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 1907 Tiflis bank robbery, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that a 1907 stagecoach robbery organized by Vladimir Lenin (pictured) and Joseph Stalin killed an estimated 40 people and netted approximately 250,000 rubles (over $3 million in current USD)? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
OK I thank plazak for editing my edit. Sorry to cause inconvience. I thought my edit was neutral. I never accused anyone it was just stating that Schlumberger was on the Deepwater rig several hours b4 the explosion. Hey we weren';t there. Let the authorities decide. As for my source, well Reuters is a fairly good source if not one of the most respected sources in journalism. Thanks again and sorry for my harsh attitude. I was just trying to make apoint. Hope you guys can Unblock me one of these days. I promise not to do anything negative again without following proper procedures, etc. take care! Have a nice week. from Marcel Australia living in Kk, sabah, Malaysia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.164.221.179 (talk) 14:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
The coverage of Khodorkovsky is totally tendentious and has apparently been cleaned by his PR people. There is a total lack of discussion of the mans background - which was amply documented in the press in the 1990s. Furthermore, the attempt to spin him as a martyr for democracy -transparently absurd - has been reflected in these pages. Who is there to arbitrate on this one? Ekraus (talk) 15:38, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi BorisG, thank you for your efforts in getting me unblocked!Happy new Year to you too!--Mbz1 (talk) 22:33, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar | ||
Thank you,Boris for your ability to see between the lines! Mbz1 (talk) 21:23, 29 December 2010 (UTC) |
Hi Boris, Happy New Year! I added the link to when we die as martyrs to Istishhad because the article is an orphan now. My link was removed. Of course there are many RS that confirm the info I added like this one for example. Do you have any suggestions where this new article should be linked from, and how to link it? Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:47, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Hey Boris, I've seen your comments around and have been impressed by the basic common sense, and also took a quick look at your contributions, so I began wondering if you ever considered running for an adminship? Volunteer Marek (talk) 20:38, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
I have become swamped in real life and so I don't know when I will get a chance to work on the draft article for Kamo (here User:Remember/Tiflis Bank Robbery). Feel free to add the current content into the Kamo article, improve the draft yourself, or just wait until I have more time to complete the draft. I just thought I would give you an update in case you were wondering why this wasn't moving as fast as the 1907 robbery article. Remember (talk) 15:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I saw your AE comment about ScienceApologist. Although I mostly agree with you, this is all hopeless. Every good expert will be eliminated, sooner or later if he edits in an area interesting for general public. This is because of WP:Consensus. General public will always have majority, even though it knows about the subjects mostly from newspapers and other questionable "sources". Plus, there are serious COI problems in cases that involve money or powerful people. This will never be good encyclopedia.Biophys (talk) 03:01, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I just thought you should know that the 1907 Tiflis bank robbery article is now being revised in accordance with the good article review of this article. Hopefully, once all the comments are address, the article will be promoted. You can find the discussion here Talk:1907 Tiflis bank robbery/GA1. Remember (talk) 14:54, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
The Kamo (Bolshevik) rewrite is done and it is before a DYK. Remember (talk) 20:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
The 1907 Tiflis bank robbery was promoted to a GA. Thanks for all your help. I think I may try for FA for this next. Remember (talk) 23:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I am revising the 1907 article in accordance with its peer review. You can see what is going on here Wikipedia:Peer review/1907 Tiflis bank robbery/archive1. Feel free to help out if you want. Remember (talk) 15:54, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
On 6 February 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kamo (Bolshevik), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Kamo (pictured) stole 341,000 rubles, was caught, feigned insanity for over three years, partly by eating his own excrement, escaped, was recaptured and sentenced to death, but was freed after a revolution? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
What is the earliest recorded example of poroelastic use? And why not use it in disciplines outside geology and materials science? I can even be applied to Wkpedia :) Koakhtzvigad (talk) 00:44, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm no political or social expert, but here's what I make of things.
Mubarak is effectively no longer in power, and politically he's as good as finished, but Mubarak alone isn't the regime. Since effecting the 1952 revolution, every president has come to power from the military, which makes the army an institution that is, however professional and highly respected it may be in this society, very privileged. It, and obviously people like Omar Suleiman, seen as kingmaker now, are part of the regime. Whether the army is willing to go along with the demonstrators and give up its privileges and power, will determine the course of this, shall we say, uprising. From what I've seen and what I know, many of the lower-ranking officers, up to Majors perhaps, are not prepared to follow orders to disperse the protests by force, and this could decide which way things go.
As for the successors, I hope they'll at least come by way of free and fair elections. Most people I know would like to see a state modeled closely to that of Turkey. For one, it won't, I believe, be passively nodding to American foreign policy and entirely ignoring public opinion. At the same time it won't seek hostility with Israel, but it'll be more critical and will take a tougher line vis-a-vis Israel and American foreign policy. That's the middle ground I'd like to see. The prevailing anti-Israeli and anti-American sentiment here is largely because of these two's long-time support to Mubarak, in return for his publicly perceived role in facilitating and advancing Western interests. Public anger is mainly directed against the American government; people here appreciate the protests in solidarity, however small, and the media coverage from the West in particular, as opposed to propaganda from the state media, now widely despised and compared to the propaganda of Cairo Radio during the 1967 War. The way Israel sort of campaigned in support for Mubarak during the early days of the demonstrations and their warnings of the consequences should he step down, certainly upped public anger against Israel and reinforced the aforementioned public view.
While we're talking of successors, I'll discuss the Muslim Brotherhood. They've been greatly inflated by the regime, portrayed as a very extremist group and the only alternative to dictatorship. No, they're not that extreme, and they're not that popular. They've already stated officially they won't present a candidate for presidency and that they want a civil state based on Islamic principles (this goes in line with the current constitution, in fact, although they could be opting for a slightly different "Islam"). Official stances aside, the Brotherhood are internally divided as well between among liberal and fundamentalist lines. Part of the Brotherhood's popularity is their consistency as an opposition group to the government, and their reputation for not engaging in backroom deals. Things are different now, and people are finding all sorts of venues to oppose the government. At any rate, I, and I'm sure most, don't want to see them in power, and I'm pretty certain the army will ensure they don't seize power either; the brotherhood are not liked within that institution. Personally, I sat with two hardcore "Brothers" in Tahrir, and heard how they spent most of the last twenty years as political prisoners. Yet they were amazed at how they had accomplished so little compared to how these spontaneous protests have achieved so much in very little time. They're more intelligent than to try to seize power.
For someone who's a veteran of the 1973 War, an event that gives great pride to many Egyptians, and is supposedly a "hero" for the opening air strike against the Israelis, a joke has been going around amongst demonstrators that "If Mubarak had launched the air strike against us, then ruled Israel for the thirty years, they would have been reduced to begging." It sounds better in Arabic, but it's an insight on how people sum up the results and gains of his "achievements" and 30-year long rule.
I hope this wasn't too long, if there's anything else you'd like to know, ask away. All the best! --Sherif9282 (talk) 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding This is a courtesy to let you know that I have mentioned you in my post on Bidgee's conduct at ANI. Of course, you are not required to participate because the majority of the post concerns other actions by Bidgee.. The thread is User:Bidgee.The discussion is about the topic WP:NPA, WP:BITE, WP:USETEMP. Thank you. -danjel (talk to me) 13:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello BorisG. In case you are kind enough to look at this, the (Google translated) English is in User:Timotheus Canens/sandbox, and the original Russian is at this link. (The list of the participants is visible in the Russian version, but somehow got omitted in the English). What I would be curious about is: which participants in the case also have accounts on the English wikipedia, and for those people, were any of them sanctioned by Russian arbcom. Also you can perhaps tell us if the other arbcom considered that these were serious offences. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 04:18, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I have raised a User RFC regarding the conduct of User:Bidgee at Cairns, Queensland. I am advising you because you were involved in the discussion. You are welcome to comment at the RFC, located at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Bidgee.--Jeffro77 (talk) 11:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Boris. In case you don't see it right away in this section of the talk page for our Right-wing politics article, I wanted to reiterate my apology here for having completely missed your thoughtful responses of February 9th. I'm so sorry! I'm not sure how I did that; I actually was disappointed because (as I thought) no one had replied! I can only guess that I saw a watchlist change re a !vote added to the RfC and then assumed that was the only change on the page. That doesn't even really explain my oversight, but please let me assure you that however I did it, it was absolutely unintentional, and was no kind of reflection on you or on the esteem in which I hold your contributions. But it must have seemed like I just ignored your analysis and thoughtful replies; I must have seemed very rude. Again, please accept my apologies. Best regards, – OhioStandard (talk) 05:41, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello BorisG. I refer to this discussion. I believe that Sandstein's judgement of my editing should not depend merely on his own opinion. I believe it should depend on the opinions of the other editors involved in the disputes and discussions. My request is this: ask for each person who has been recently involved in the disputes to characterise myself and PCPP and to state whether they find either of us disruptive or problematic. I do not claim no CIVIL and NPA violations. That is factual, stupid, and regrettable. But Sandstein's approach is concerning in how he appears to be disregarding an enormous amount of evidence, ignoring the views of other involved editors, and making his own judgements based on his own, inaccurate reading of the evidence (for example in his analysis of the dispute on the Tiananmen page he entirely left out the consensus that was happening on the talk page, making it appear that I was violating consensus when the opposite is the case) and issuing harsh bans. The key to Wikipedia is consensus. Every step of the way I have been working with other editors. It would be a sad miscarriage of procedural justice to go ahead on this without consulting with the other people who were actually involved, to see whether they think I have been problematic or not. It is they, not Sandstein, who should determine the nature of my engagement with other editors and with the content of the pages. --Asdfg12345 18:29, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Since in the past you struck me as one of the most reasonable people commenting at AE, could I bring this thread to your attention? While I am not a named party, I am quite familiar with editors and articles involved, and I posted my own comments section. I'd appreciate seeing your thoughts on that matter; in particular with regards to several questions I posted in my second (and so far last) comment post. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:56, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
My apologies if I mistook your content orientation. There is just such a high correlation on the matter - those editors who who tend to come after me with prejudice are overwhelmingly from a particular content camp - that I tend to forget that correlation is not causation. --Ludwigs2 13:55, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi Boris,I'd like to thank you for your posts on AE.They were fair and kind. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:30, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Boris, why are you reverting comments on my user page? Gatoclass (talk) 18:31, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
I mentioned your views at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Result concerning Supreme Deliciousness. Am I right that you do not favor sanctions for SD? Just trying to learn the views of the uninvolved editors. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 06:20, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
It sure looks like you have broken the 1R rule on that page many times over.Why?Owain the 1st (talk) 07:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I think you should go back to this page and sort out the cite error you have created.[4] Thanks.Owain the 1st (talk) 05:21, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Haha, zing! Noticed you're from WA. I'm from VIC. Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 14:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
I would like your input on an idea that I think might help to reduce the angry tone of discussions at ANI, AfDs and elsewhere.
I have already seen, and you have probably seen more often than I have, how much unnecessary drama and bad feeling arises from the way people introduce the "involvement" of other editors. What I think would help is two things we don't have -- neutral wording to make specific claims and a place to display such claims separate from topic discussion.
There could be a template that provides neutrally-worded ways to express that editor A has made specific claim about editor B and offered a diff C as evidence or explanation for the claim D:
{{editormakingclaim=A | editorbeingdescribed=B | diffsupportingclaim=C | specificclaim=D1}}
The typical claims could be expressed in a brief shorthand that is much less wounding than the spur-of-the-moment ways people now come up with to try to make a point. For example,
Then if someone was in a debate and felt one of these claims should be considered by others participating in the discussion, they could just put the "warning template" into a footnote section reserved for that purpose. If I made a claim about you and you wanted to challenge it, you could also challenge it down in the warning/footnote section, not up in the topic thread. This is a somewhat expanded version of an idea I posted at OhioStandard's talk page but he hasn't yet responded. Do you think something like this might help to reduce drama and dissension? betsythedevine (talk) 18:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
(undent) (EC) Boris, and Hodja to some extent, made the issue clearer than I did. Suppose Editor X wanted to flag that I was Boris's "buddy" in some future discussion. Under the system I propose, two things would be better than what happened to Hodja and hurt her feelings. First, Editor X would have a neutral, even respectful way to name the kind of involvement he thinks have with Boris. Second, the template has room for a single URL for evidence, the stand-in for what Boris calls "degree of involvement." So for Boris and me right now the best Editor X could come up with is a link to this thread on Boris's talk page--not much "involvement"!
Suppose Boris or I want to contest the idea that I admire Boris so much it warps my judgment -- fine, we could do so, but only down in the "involvement discussion" separate from the main topic discussion. Maybe I would link to some time I said something bad about Boris (hypothetically, since afaik I never did, and I do admire Boris a lot though perhaps not enough to warp my judgment). Then maybe Editor X would link to another discussion thread where Boris was criticized and I defended him. And so on. But unless Boris and I contested the claim we were friends, Editor X would get just one URL to make the case we're involved. The template gives no opportunity to go into a long indictment of what bad people we both are.
I would like to see "involvement" treated as a public fact of Wikipedia life, not a scarlet badge of shame that a few try to hide in vain while others find joy in exposing and shaming them. This gives everyone all the more motivation to make civil, well-reasoned statements in the main topic thread instead of just attacking Participant Y or defending Participant Z. If I want to squabble about just how involved I am or you are, there is a separate place to make my case.
Hodja, I think you have made your point quite clearly that you think "involvement" should not be discussed at all for non-admins. Perhaps you would like to make a policy proposal that forbids mentioning "involvement." Like Boris and unlike you, I think that "involvement" can be relevant, that the degree of involvement is relevant, and that our current way of letting people introduce this information into topic discussions creates more upset than necessary. betsythedevine (talk) 16:21, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
OK, I will think about this some more. I hope you don't mind, Boris and Hodja, that I transcribed an earlier version of this talk page to the sandbox where I will be working on ideas about reducing the negativity of contentious discussions: User_talk:Betsythedevine/BikeLane. Thanks again for your thoughts and advice. betsythedevine (talk) 16:40, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Boris. I’ve decided not to reply on that page because anything anyone says elsewhere just leads to infinite threads, in which everyone begs to be taken notice of, but few if any take notice of what is actually said by each and every editor, and the gravamen of a point is lost in the blur and fog. I have a professional inability to read fast. I have to parse, pause, and think a lot of things through that many read or write quickly. A good deal of dislike of my editing arises from this, in fact. The gravest accusation repeated against me is WP:TLDR. I’ve appreciated your cool-headed rational approach to all this, and readiness to try and grasp what your interlocutor is saying, so if you don’t mind I’ll attempt to ‘iron out’ the contradiction you allude to.
(a) The reason for throwing up my hands in despair was an incident I was watching on the endlessly arid AN7I or Ae boards. I explained that here:
(b)JClemens, in lending ‘cautious’ provisory 'support', added,
(c) I replied
All the nuance is in that ‘quite’. I'd be happy if administrators were to review my case and determine that, as several editors suggest, a rehabilitation of my right to contribute would not be harmful. In retrospect, I think that one of the things people hate about my editing is that I am long-winded, which results from a professional life of looking at what words mean or imply, which sits poorly with many people who think, with some reason, that if they write something, they know what they mean, and everybody should understand this and not, to their minds, equivocate. The diff Broccolo cites as an infraction (it wasn't) about the use of the word 'civilian' for a child is a case in point. If wikipedia doesn't want people to parse articles closely, perhaps this disposition of mine is 'disruptive'. But it is certainly what writers of encyclopedias (and I have been commissioned to write for an encyclopedia in the past) are requested to be sensitive to by their editors. You'll recall of course what Babel wrote in his essay on Guy de Maupassant: Никакое железо не может войти в человеческое сердце так леденяще, как точка, поставленная вовремя. Some of us are required to do that because their professional rectitude hinges on such sensitivities.
I’d be indeed happy to be in a position to occasionally edit there, but wish to me sounded like a death-wish, someone dead-keen to throw himself into the lethal fray that area often proves to be. I have never personally asked to go back, and the proposal advanced was done, if you can believe me, without prior consultation with me. I have absolutely no interest in joining battle or joining sides. My own personal belief is that productive editing cannot ensue in that area unless one can formally or informally call in hands from all sides with a good repute for being reasonable and informed to tackle various pages without allowing discussions to degenerate into endless pointscoring threads.
(d) the difference between my two pages is something I never noticed. Thanks for pointing it out. I should iron that out, because I hate inconsistency, but at the moment am in two minds! Thanks for your vote of confidence. And now back to silence. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 12:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Good day, A request for clarification has been filed with Arbcom relative to a case in which you participated or might be affected by. Communikat (talk) 17:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Why did you removed Gallery and Lotus Flower pictures from Ernst Neisvestyj page? It is vandalism to remove things without contacting the contributor first, and replacing someone else's pics with your own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gradiva (talk • contribs) 09:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
How exactly is my thinking or writing that those who forcibly removed the Palestinians from Palestine were European invaders indicative of a battleground approach? nableezy - 18:54, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I finally got around to getting through all of the items in the peer review and have nominated the 1907 Tiflis bank robbery article for Feature Article status. You can check out the nomination here. You were a great help in getting this article into great shape and any help you could give to the FA nomination would (as always) be most appreciated. Cheers. Remember (talk) 13:40, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
That is an improvement to what was there before. Sorry about the revert, it would have been tedious to do extensive typing from an iPhone.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:47, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Please take a look at the last question regarding using Trostky as a reference on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1907 Tiflis bank robbery/archive1. I thought you might have a response to the person's concern. Remember (talk) 18:45, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
One of my biggest pet peeves on the internet: writing the word "losing" with two O's. If such a word as "loosing" actually existed, I still don't believe that it would mean what it does in the context in which you use it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.239.48.141 (talk) 03:32, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
It's best to use article talk solely for discussions about articles. Discussions of user's behavior should really go on their respective talk pages. They can't ignore big yellow bar and no one else needs to get pulled into a debate about, say, who started it. Just a thought. --Danger High voltage! 16:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
G'day. I saw the mentioned on Wehwalt's talk and fixed a few dates and then nudged a few other things along. Hope you like. Alarbus (talk) 15:05, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Would you consider coming back to Talk:Lavrentiy Beria to give your opinion on how the page should look? I'm still running into trouble with people reverting the whole sexual assault section except for one source, Beria's family. Not a lot of people editing over there so every opinion counts. Bravo Foxtrot (talk) 02:53, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for all of your assistance in helping me get the 1907 Tiflis bank robbery article up to FA status. I couldn't have done it without you. Cheers. Remember (talk) 13:43, 21 February 2012 (UTC) =Thanks! My pleasure! - BorisG (talk) 04:59, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Any more thoughts about replacing my extended lead-section on Ribbentrop?
I managed to offend one editor by abbreviating one of the main sections (as suggested by another commentator), but the lead-section received no criticism, only a favourable comment. Wiki is still requesting that the lead-section should be extended. 109.154.24.254 (talk) 16:16, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
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I just wanted to thank you again for all of your assistance in helping me get the 1907 Tiflis bank robbery article up to FA status. The article is now being displayed as Today's Featured Article on the Main Page. Thanks for all your hard work in making this possible. I greatly appreciate it. Cheers. Remember (talk) 12:58, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I saw your comment on AE and wanted to respond but it was not appropriate there. I also work with a large organization of really really ridiculously cocky smart people. Unlike academia, it is essential for employees to know when they are being fools. People should hear negative feedback (call it "constructive" if you must) or else they will not improve. Too many kids with good degrees forget that the real world outside of school will crush them. Ask a young man at a factory about his thoughts on civility then relay those ideas to a student who will cry the first time someone does not wipe their bottom. Good luck this new year.Cptnono (talk) 07:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
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For your thoughtful comments on civility as one of four pillars. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 08:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC) |
Thanks, that's first for me:). Cheers. - BorisG (talk) 08:34, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for you insight into the process, this may well have turned the tide. I think that the case is clearer and cleaner without this FoF, I don't agree that it is stronger, but were it correct it would be. Thanks again. Rich Farmbrough, 20:46, 4 January 2013 (UTC).
Hi, I've often thought that WP:NEWSORG is insufficiently clear about what newspapers are reliable for. Would you be interested in helping to amend it?
Obviously it is hard to cover all bases. My initial take (informally worded) would be something like this: Good news outlets are reliable for the reporting and analysis of current events and recent history. Other things they publish need to considered more cautiously. Non-recent historical claims should only be assumed reliable if the writer is an expert (someone who writes history books or journal articles that meet WP:RS), or if the article relies on named reliable sources (for example, an interview with an expert). Travel writers are reliable for current information about localities but not necessarily for historical facts about them (they have a bias towards cute myths rather than boring truths).
Unfortunately, even some eminent journalists rely on Wikipedia for background facts without acknowledging it. I've seen some remarkable examples.
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There is a discussion on the Talk:Ashkenazi Jews regarding should Sholem Aleichem and Mikhail Botvinnik be in the collage or not. The discussion is called "Ones and for all, should Sholem Aleichem and Mikhail Botvinnik be in the collage".
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