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Do you have some sort of special control at Wikipedia, if not, as far as I am aware I am allowed to edit anything I want as long as it is not reckless editing. Surely people looking at the waterford talk page don't want to see advice that you gave to another user (it was good advice) and especially sarcastic comments such as the one made by jmccormac. It just so happens that I have a great interest in media and am a news "junkie". Donut216 (talk) 20:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, you can edit anything you like on the main space provided it does not violate any of our policy's or guidelines, but the talk pages are a record of conversations had by editors, and removing these conversations for any purpose other then archiving is completely unacceptable, particularly when comments by other editors are involved. Wikipedia policy also prohibits refactoring those posts, even your own. I acted well inside those policy's and I suggests you familiarise yourself with them if you intend to make edits of that nature. If you'd like me to point you in the right direction, feel free to ask.
I should also mention, the bit about removing comments applies to your own talk page as well, because you seem unfamiliar with the policy I won't put it back, but the Level 1 Warning still stands. ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)20:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What is a level 1 warning, surely only Wikipedia staff are in a position to issue warnings. Also put what back? the comment on my own talk page?
Donut216 (talk) 20:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia staff don't issue warnings, the majority don't even edit it. Metawiki is the staffs playground. Warnings are issued by experienced editors when they see either a misguided edit, or an act of vandalism. There are several levels:
Level 1 (General Notes): Just friendly notes pointing people in the right direction.
Level 2 (Cautions): Similar to Level 1, accept that they are more firm, and point out to the editor that they are breaking the rules.
Level 3 (Warnings): These usually inform members that they are breaking rules only, and normally don't point to policy's, just to emphasise the warnings.
Level 4 (Final): These point out to the members, that if they repeat there actions one more time, they will be reported to the Admins and blocked for the appropriate amount of time.
Level 4m (Only): These are identical to Level 4, accept that they are the only warning the member will get.
There are a couple of variations, but they are for either things that are so severe that they may incur a block without repeating they violation, or things so insevere that they probably won't ever amount to anything, these are called "Single Issue Warnings" and "Single Issue Notices" respectively.
Yes, it is against policy to remove comments on your own page for any purpose other then archival, but you seem keen to learn the policy's and guidelines so I'm OK with it being taken off. ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)20:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for advice, but I am ever so slightly offended by your comment "I'm OK with it being taken off". You are an experienced editor but not a figure of authority, I myself don't mean to offend you in what I say, but I think that stating policy is enough, there is no need to give your own opinion on the matter.
I think we got off to a bad start but I am glad that you are still happy to offer your advice to me.
Also as a relatively new user, I have not been able to find the exact page that speaks of the warnings you explain above, could you please send me a link.
Thanks very much for your help,
Donut216 (talk) 21:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The thing about that is, that warning or not, it was my comment, and as the writer of that comment I'm entitled to it not being deleted, you see? I wasn't stating my opinion about anything other then that fact. The policy about warnings: Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace, it explains the levels here although I think I prefer my wording :). I'm always around if you have questions Donut216. ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)21:19, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"how did no one notice this?"
Just wanted to say that they did (or I did at least), but with so many different vandals hitting the page at once it's easy for that to happen - i.e. I reverted one change, but that just uncovered more vandalism etc. So please don't imply that people didn't notice it - I'm sure more people than just me noticed it, but it was all moving pretty fast. Thanks for reverting it when you noticed, and hopefully the page protection will make it better for everyone involved (except the people vandalising! ;). Somno (talk) 02:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I did see the double reverts happening which is why I stepped out and let someone else scan the article for problems, but you have to admit, there where several non-revert edits that allowed the "I Have A Big Cock" middle name to remain. But no harm no foul, the article is where it should be now :). ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)02:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you muchly for your support in my recent request for adminship, which was successfully closed on 76%, finishing at 73 supports, 23 opposes and 1 neutral. The supports were wonderful, and I will keep in mind the points made in the useful opposes and try to suppress the Larry David in me! Now I'm off to issue some cool down blocks, just to get my money's worth!
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moved out of archive Hi there Ferdia. Hope all is well for you in Ireland today? I am writing for help about Churches_and_Chapels_of_Ceredigion which I created in a hurry, and am now wondering how to (or if I should) move it to a sandbox area(mine) or if I should leave it alone and edited where it is? I read the guidelines for renaming/redirecting, but still wasn't sure what to do. Could you please give me advice on what to do? Many thanks :-) ∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C)20:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well hello there, good to hear from you, things are grand in Ireland today, weathers still not sure what its doing but nothing staying inside relaxing won't help, lol. Well that list doesn't fall under any of the CSD criterion, and isn't specifically covered under any AFD criterion, but it is easy pray for an AFD debate in its current form. Now we can easily save it if it were to go to AFD (I have some experience in doing so), but just to save yourself some hassle I would recommend moving it for the time being. Let me know if you want me to do so if your not confident in doing so yourself (I noticed the helpme on the talk page), and just reply here if you want to discuss it further.
Also, what colour would you find more appropriate for that link at the top of the page? You added this discussion to my second archive by accedent and I don't want to mislead people into doing that. ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)20:32, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Glad all is well in Ireland. Gorgeous here today, which is a fabulous change from the past two weeks of very cold and wet weather. *bleh* It is low tide in hour or so, so we will head to the beach with the dog for a nice long walk. Thanks for offering to help ;-) I will take you up on the offer to move the page. If I cannot figure out how you did it, I will ask. IMHO the link color for leaving you a message should be white. But don't change it just for silly me. Only if you want to :-> Bye for now! ∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C)23:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a bunch! I still need to figure out how you did it though =;-/ Someone came in after you and made deletions. What is that about? Oh, I guess I do need to know what CSD is. Bye for now *wave* ∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C)03:17, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Heh heh, thanks not necessary, I help because I enjoy it, but thank you very much for the gesture :). As always, you know were I am if you need anything. ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)23:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm really sorry about that. I was just copying and pasting it to put it into a search engine, and I guess I accidentally replaced it with the letter m. I'm really sorry, I'll be careful about this in the future. I didn't mean any harm. Puchiko (Talk-email) 18:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I knew something like that must have happened, I know you from main page and I know you know what your doing, just wanted to highlight it so you can make sure you don't do it in the future :). ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)18:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for supporting my RfA, which went through 93/12/5. I'll be steadfast in this trust the en.Wikipedia community has given me. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 01:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Ferdiaob, I noticed this revert you made: diff. Did you really intend to mark this as vandalism? Although I understand it is annoying to see pointless churning of content because of disagreement between American and British spelling, I am concerned that this might feel like a slap to a newcomer who probably means well. Consider this diff from the same IP address, in which the individual also changes to American spelling, but also makes a good faith effort to improve the article by correcting "Dragon" to "Dragons". Maybe just putting a gentle message in the undo would suffice to correct the problem, and would also encourage this person to contribute more to WP. Respectfully yours, CosineKitty (talk) 19:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. You were correct to revert the changes per WP:MOS, but this certainly isn't "vandalism". A message pointing out the user to the style page would have been better, or even just quoting the MoS - "It is inappropriate for an editor to change an article from one style to another unless there is a substantial reason to do so; for example, it is unacceptable to change from American to British spelling unless the article concerns a British topic". Tan | 3920:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I marked the edit itself as vandalism, but I didn't post a warning on the users page, I posted a message explaining the situation. I stand by marking it as V instead of AGF but I'll mark that kind of thing as AGF in the future if its not the done thing. Cheer. ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)20:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I know you are aware of the MoS, Ferdia! That's why I didn't question the reversion, just the manner in which it was made. I'm not sure how you can "stand by marking it as V[andalism] instead of AGF" - this is clearly not vandalism and as a clearly established and knowledgeable editor, you know the whole premise of WP:AGF is to..., well, assume good faith. Really, this isn't that big of a deal and I think it's getting a little out of proportion, but it seemed like you thought we were attacking you above and that's not the case. Call it a reminder of what you already know. After hours of reverting blatant vandalism, I too will find myself just hitting the buttons. Tan | 3920:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah on second reading I picked up the correct tone of what you said, that's why I removed the second comment. Like I said, if its not the done thing I'm more then happy to start marking MOS related issues as AGF, the thing about that edit was that the IP didn't just change the one word or two to the alternate form, the IP swept the whole article for it, which I (possibly incorrectly) perceived as misconduct, and I hit V instead of AGF if it had just been a couple of words, I would have marked it as AGF. I said that I stood by it because if I had the option to change the summary, I wouldn't, its a record of where my head was at the time, which irrelevant of your (good) advise, can't be changed.
Recent amendments I have made replacing "Republic of Ireland" with "Ireland" have been refused on the grounds of consituting links to "different topics".
This I believe is a misinterpretation and is inconsistent with Wikipedia practice.
The official name of the 26-county state in the English language is "Ireland" as recognised by the Constitution of Ireland and every major international treaty and body including the UN, EU and the ECtHR.
Article 4 of the Constitution of Ireland states:
"The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland."
Therefore, when refering to the state in political terms the name "Ireland" should be used. This should however link to the page Ireland about the 26 county state which explains precisely the difference between the geographic, political and descriptive nuances of the name.
The geographic name of the island is "Ireland". When describing the geographic location of a place in Ireland, the geographic term "Ireland" should be used. The suitable link is Ireland leading to the page dealing with the island as a whole. This is geographically accurate and is clearly most understandable to users. Otherwise, ludicrous anomalies may arise e.g. "County Louth is on the east coast of Ireland", or "County Louth is on the north east coast of the Republic of Ireland".
The question therefore becomes one of what link to use, not what term to use.
"Republic of Ireland" is a description of the State, but has no offical status. It is used to describe the 26-county entity when ambiguity arises. This is easily avoided without recourse to constantly using the term "Republic of Ireland". The description should be used sparingly. However, it may sometimes be difficult not to use it and in that situation it may then be justified e.g. "County Donegal is one of three counties in Ulster in the Republic of Ireland".
All this is recognised by the main Wikipedia page on "Ireland";
"Ireland (pronunciation /ˈaɾlənd/ or /ˈaɪɾlənd/; Irish: Éire; Ulster Scots: Airlann) is the third largest island in Europe,[1] and the twentieth-largest island in the world.[2] It lies to the north-west of continental Europe and is surrounded by hundreds of islands and islets. To the east of Ireland, separated by the Irish Sea, is the island of Great Britain. Politically, the state Ireland (described as the Republic of Ireland in cases of ambiguity) covers five-sixths of the island, with Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom, covering the remainder in the north-east."
Any deviation from this is inconsistent. Wikipedia pages on EU issues also name the 26 county state as "Ireland", with a link to Ireland. Geographic references throughout Wikipedia refer to Ireland.
Also, a lesser, though notable point to bear in mind is that, apart from being inaccurate, some people would take offence to being referred to as living in the "Republic of Ireland". That term is associated with the practice of many foreign people and states, particularly in the past, to refer to the state of Ireland when speaking the English language as the Republic/Southern Ireland/Eire, thereby ignoring the offical name of the state.
All of that has been discussed, at length, on both pages, and concensious was reached on both to leave it as is, feel free to reignite the discussion, but please leave the links as is until concensious changes in your favour. Thank you. ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)17:44, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Ferdia,
The Consensus has been drawn to my attention on my talk page and is at WP:IMOS.
The Convention is to use the word "Ireland" with a link to the Republic of Ireland/Ireland page at Ireland.
Therefore, for example, according to convention, Limerick should be described as being in "Ireland", with a link to Ireland. It should not be described as being in the "Republic of Ireland" as you changed it to.
I am sorry for going against convention as regards using the island of Ireland link at Ireland when describing geographical terms without discussing it first. But I hope consensus can be reached on this point.
Hey again, well like I said, if you want to change convention then reaching consensus is a must. While this talk page is fine for talking to myself (and I've invited the other two editors here also), even if the four of us agreed here (and at this point I'm not pushed in either direction, I'm merely upholding the standard), that still isn't consensus, can I suggest starting a discussion on the topic on Talk: Ireland, and linking to that discussion from Talk: Republic of Ireland if consensus (or indeed indifference) can be reached there I'll happily step aside and let you make the edits, we could even get a bot to do them for you :). ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)11:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Ferdia, I have read the conventions and I won't change anything again which is out of line with them. Is it ok so if I correct anything I see which is inconsistent with the Convention above? Thanks 62.77.166.81 (talk) 11:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well its just an idea, but maybe if you used this: Ireland as your link, that way its not being refered to as the Republic, but it is leading to the correct article? The code to do that is [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]]
And yeah, thats more or less the only heavily policed convention where our fair isle is concerned so happy editing, let me know if you need anything. ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)11:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Its Ferdia actually :). Hey, I'm fine, sorry for the late response, I've been a bit busy with some things of late. How are you? How is you list coming along? ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)15:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Glad all is Well with Ferdia :-) Funny you should mention my list, because I was just remember my not-much-looked at To-Do. Shame on moi. I have found myself in full WikiFairy mode adding stub-category, citations and reflists to a particular users work. They add great information on Medieval Wales but leave it hanging and open for speedy deletion. Time to get back to my stuff! Have you contributed to the RfA Review? ∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C)03:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I posted my responses the other day, don't forget, this stage isn't about what needs to be done to reform the process (feel free to talk about that however), its just an opinion gathering phase. ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)11:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again Ferdia :-) I am trying to find the deletion log for this but cannot. It was deleted so shouldn't it be on the log? What happens if I recreate the article? BTW hope all is well for you this weekend so far? ∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C)03:47, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I'm a bit confused about that link, it seems to go to an existing page, do you mean the section Cunedda_ap_Cadwaladr_ap_Gruffydd because if that was deleted someone more then likely just removed it with the backspace button...
I see now, my apologies, heres the log. Occording to that the page was deleted due to a lack of references, the consern over that lack was raised about 18 months before it was deleted, so feel free to recreate the page so long as you include the obligatory references :). ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C) 16:16, 28 June 2008 (UTC
You're lucky you can do the Internet at work. Not me. *sob* Every IP is tracked and traced ;-( It is considered an ethics violation and I could actually be fined. ∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C)01:58, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hey there Ferdia :-) LTNS, so how are you? Not much going on at Vreel, Wikiwise anyway. Well, I need your help again. Looks as though I've tanked my very first archive attempt. Just the box is there without any content. Could you help out this silly person and see what I did? I might have wiped it out when I added back your original welcome message to me. Can this mess be fixed? *groan*∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C)06:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good to hear from you again btw, my contributions lately have been few and far between thanks to my other project (who's wiki article you're doing a great job with), but I've been keeping an eye on the place. How are you? ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)15:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Whew. Ferdia to the rescue again-many thanks. I thought you might be able to help since you are an archiving expert. Life has been interesting lately as the husband was diagnosed with and had surgery for a cancerous bladder tumor. Scary that it might come back and there will be lots of monitoring from here on out. On the planning committee for my 30 year high school class reunion-this should be a hoot since I've yet to return so far. I hear there will be lots of weight gain and receding hairlines in evidence har har. Also back to clothing design/construction since what has been shown lately I wouldn't wear to a cat fight *bleh* Flip'n 70's-style gawdawful rags! All of the above bites into Wikitime blast it all. The rains will be returning by Oct 1 so that will be a great excuse to stay inside, cocoon and Wiki. Yeah! Hey good luck with VR. Is that still taking up most of your time? Be good. ∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C)16:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to hear about your husbands condition, my best wishs of a speedy recovery of course. Have fun at your anniversary, I'm sure it will be a night to remember.
As for VReel, no, its not taking up most of my time, its taking up damn near all of my time, lol. As we speak there are 4 tabs open in my Firefox, the other 3 are VReel. Let me know if you need anything, and keep in touch :). ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)17:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Ferdia. Hey I need your advice please. If you read the talk page it seems obvious to me that one user is running rough-shot and is controlling all aspects of the page--no consensus whatsoever. This is the worst I have ever seen. Do you think it would be worthy of WP:RFM or just toss it in and WP:Stick? On another note, is it common practice in the UK to call mountains "Marilyns"? BTW how are you and hope all is well? Speaking of Wiki-addicted, the other night I had two FireFox windows open with 10 or so tabs each all open to, you guessed it Wikipedia related stuff. I was very afraid... ∞☼Geaugagrrl(T)/(C)05:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, on the topic of FF I've been there, those 20 tabs are now VReel related though. Ok, on that article, I can't even pretend to be knowledgeable on the topic of Wales and its peaks, but to be honest before RFM I'd say use RfC if that hasn't already been carried out. That allows other editors to see the situation, and hopefully one or two of them will be knowledgable on the topic aswell as yourself. ☯Ferdia O'Brien(T)/(C)16:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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