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Archive of April-June 2008

On 3 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Palazzo Filangeri-Cutò, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Rudget (review) 11:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I can finish up. I just woke up, so i have time to kill. Wizardman 15:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Tell me if you need a hand with the load when you are happy Victuallers (talk) 15:15, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Uh, did you even read the article?

1. The page is 25,690 bytes, five times its stub state
2. Expansion is for words, not bytes; we can't punish existing stubs for having a reference and an infobox.
3. The hook was already verified by BuddingJournalist, who's a DYK/FAC regular
4. All three hooks are cited: #1 to ref #2, #2 to #12, #3 to #9.

Thanks, Sceptre ^(talk) 21:16, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, Sceptre, but I agree with Gatoclass's comments re expansion, even if I don't necessarily agree with Gatoclass re the sources (I've seen the episode, but haven't got round to watching the "Confidential" or listening to the BBC podcast, but I'm happy that those sources and the Radio Times are reliable). Measurement isn't from its initial stub state, but from the size of the article in characters before the work done to the article to expand it that leads to its nomination at DYK. Now, as it was nominated for having been expanded on 6th April, I looked at the 5th April state, and it's not a stub then. From that state until the current state is about a 3.5 expansion. of the text. Gatoclass's figures and mine are close enough on the character count, and it's not a 5x expansion. Bencherlite^Talk 00:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Stub state, 5th April. 185 words.

B-class state, about 12 hours later. Around 1300 words.

FAC state, about 115 hours after stub. 2300 words

Besides, infoboxes and references are discounted in the length criteria, and there's a good reason for that: references take up about 25-50% of the characters in an article. Sceptre ^(talk) 00:17, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK counts characters, not words. I agree that infoboxes and references are not included, and I'm not counting them. As you nominated it under "Articles created/expanded on April 6", I was looking at the count from the last edit before April 6 onwards, and Gatoclass may have been doing the same. However, I take your point about having started your expansion work on April 5 (the edit history is so messy that it's not easy to follow what exactly was happening in terms of bona fide improvements) and I'd agree that if you take it from the diff you've given (which is the state of the article before your first edit on 5 April) we do have a sufficient expansion. I'd also agree that standing on ceremony for the sake of a day isn't productive. I'll pop back to T:TDYK and clarify my views. Bencherlite^Talk 00:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

By the way, can you not move noms? The article I added was slowly expanded between the 12th and the 14th, so I added it under the 14th because that's when the expansion was complete. Sceptre ^(talk) 12:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't have time this morning ... can you do it? Or someone else? Daniel Case (talk) 14:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Omg, why aren't you an admin? I saw you working on the update earlier and was wondering why you didn't update the template itself. Would you mind doing the credits, I have to go in a minute? - Bobet 14:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem, and there's never really a hurry with the credits. And thanks! - Bobet 14:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I've been wondering for several months if you should be nominated to become an admin. You do so much for DYK Next Update, and your having the tools would be very helpful and beneficial to the project (Wikipedia). Apparently I'm not the only person to notice this. Do you have any major skeleton's in your closet that we should be concerned about which would hold you up from becoming an admin? You can respond to me on my email if you want to discuss them off-wiki (if there are any concerns). I call nominator or co-nominator if this works out and if you are interested. Remember, adminship is no big deal. It hasn't affected me nearly as much as I thought it would. It is what you make of it. Royalbroil 15:23, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I, too, was surprised when I realised that you didn't have the mop and would happily welcome you aboard. From looking at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Gatoclass, it looks as though things got off to an unexpected start and then went off the rails slightly, but not for anything that would prevent a second run before your self-imposed 6 month delay. Royalbroil, if you need a co-nom for this mop-reluctant DYK machine, I'll gladly say something. Bencherlite^Talk 15:34, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Bencherlite, as I just said to RB, I will probably be prepared to have another go when I have accumulated 12k edits, which I expect to do around the end of this month. So if you want to put it to me again around that time I think I will be ready to accept :) Gatoclass (talk) 15:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Waiting 6 months after that RFA is a very sensible and responsible response. Let's talk on around May 10 when the self-imposed time limit is up so Bencherlite and I can prepare our co-nominations. Kurt always objects to self-noms, so that wouldn't be an issue for you this time around. Your comments in that RFA about blocking for discipline reasons still would generate oppose votes, even though that might happen sometimes, so you should reconsider that position. There's no way for you to prove or disprove that your thought on the matter has changed since you can't block. I know where you're coming from and your word choice was poor. What you really mean is to preserve the integrity of the encyclopedia. People love to throw out a question about blocks because it's usually answered wrong or poorly. The key on the optional questions is to review the policy or guideline before answering. No one knows everything. Royalbroil 16:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for revising the hook for Mill Mountain Zoo -- I hadn't had time to check back for a few days and so hadn't noticed Espresso Addict's request for an alternate hook. Since you added the hook that was eventually featured...

On 12 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mill Mountain Zoo, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 15:57, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Cheers, Black Falcon ^(Talk) 18:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think they can/should be considered primary sources. Under WP:PSTS, primary sources "are sources very close to the origin of a particular topic," which these are not. For example, the Book of Tang was written during the Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties), which meant that the events described were already at least 30 years old, and some were over 300 years old, by that point. The New Book of Tang, written during the Song Dynasty, was even more remote from the events. Some of the primary sources that were used to compile these histories are still extant, and some are not, but these histories themselves cannot be considered primary. --Nlu (talk) 06:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, was offline for a while. Looks to have been done by someone else. Espresso Addict (talk) 13:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry again! My database connection went wonky whilst trying to preview the above comment, and it seems to have posted it each time I tried unsuccessfully to refresh. Espresso Addict (talk) 13:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the update on DYK. I didn't realize that the appropriate date was the start of the expansion, not the end. I also didn't realize it had been a DYK before. I just noticed it was the last Kentucky governor article eligible for DYK expansion (by length, anyway), and since I have access to a few good Kentucky governor books, I just went for it. I'll try to be more careful in the future. Certainly didn't intend anything untoward. Acdixon ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 13:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, you mentioned on the DYK page that the article does not qualify to be a DYK candidate because it contains a summary of existing articles. I'd like to point out that currently there's only one other article that it is a precis of. How would you suggest that the article be modified so that it qualifies for DYK? --Novelty (talk) 13:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so where is your reference that the catering dept. runs "two halal Chinese restaurants"? Gatoclass (talk) 15:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

(nitpick, it's not the catering department, it's a catering company.) Originally, I listed the primary source from the official site (refence 10 from the page), but if that is not acceptable, I've added a few more sources from the local papers (references 8 and 9). Are there any other modifications that you'd suggest I make so that the article qualifies for the DYK? --Novelty (talk) 15:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've added [1] which states in Paragraph 4 He added that all food, which includes dim sum, roast chicken and duck, is guaranteed Halal. I hope that satisfies the requirement. --Novelty (talk) 16:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I've updated the Navbox in line with WP:Nav. There are some redlinks, but I'll be working on those for DYKs over the next few weeks hopefully! --Novelty (talk) 16:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I keep returning... after a spell away and finding a request for help .. but its already done. Sorry Victuallers (talk) 14:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello... Thank you very much for your help. - DaughterofSun (talk) 18:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I hate to be a bother, and I am not making an issue of this, but I can't understand why you altered the suggested hook for Militia of Jesus Christ. "...that the chief purpose of the military order the Militia of Jesus Christ was to combat heresy?" sounds completely uninteresting to me. There have been many entities devoted to combatting the heresies of some given orthodoxy, why is it notable that the Militia of Jesus Christ had this purpose? I don't think it is. Further, I find "the military order the Militia of" to be a little jarring. Can I ask why it is not interesting that an order of knights wore the garb of an order of friars? Despite this, thankyou for promoting it to the main page. Srnec (talk) 22:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

On 18 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Stabilimento Tecnico Triestino, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 04:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey Gatoclass. I put a copy of the image at Image:USS Sierra AD-18.jpg and changed the call in the article. All that remains is to put a {{Bad name|Image:USS Sierra AD-19.jpg}} at the Image:USS Sierra AD-19.jpg page. Cheers. Haus^Talk 11:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for interceding. Obviously we all make mistakes... my real worry was that I couldn't find anyone to admit their error. I'm guessing I have now ... I'm not sure we can ever make sure that everyone knows about these - I'm willing to take the risk, but I do find it surprising that someone picked the image filename out of a pile of imagemap numbers and then deleted the numbers as if they were random math. As I say ... its OK and thank you for helping. When you do apply for adminship do point out that some admins choose for you to speak for them. Its a compliment to your skills. Victuallers (talk) 17:09, 20 April 2008 (UTC). "End of" ... your reputation goes up another notch. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 17:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I saw your comments, and had some discussion with User:Art LaPella about them. The source DOES say that Jesus' walks are seen as the predecessors of the various Easter meanderings. (I'm going to double check exactly what it says, but I've got to get the book back from the library first.) I was kind of taken aback by it at first, but it DOES seem that people have been doing Easter walks for a long time, and in a lot of contexts. We changed a "parade" to a "procession" in one place, and IMHO that improves things quite a bit. I'd be interested in what you think.

BTW, what's the source of your interest in APA's? I have a similar interest in AKA's, because I served on one long ago and recently started a reunion group. Lou Sander (talk) 22:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I've only seen April Fool's DYK hooks being held over for several months. You'd have to get consensus to hold over an Easter hook. There is no holding place. Royalbroil 12:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Yea, that's what I has thinking. I was wondering why they published the article at this time. Royalbroil 13:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Can I just ask what the hell happened to my DYK nomination? I just thought it would be a good entry to have on the main page, but somehow it never made it there. Lampman ^{Talk to me!} 01:39, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Btw, I changed "soul sister" to "dark angel"; I think that sounds more intriguing, and she says both in the Die Zeit interview. Lampman ^{Talk to me!} 13:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Trust me, "dunklen Engel" can only be translated "dark angel", Babelfish got that right. Amos, however, doesn't use the term in the usual, ominous sense, which is what I find intriguing. Lampman ^{Talk to me!} 13:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

The DYK credit at User talk:Art LaPella#DYK-Smrkovsky should go to User:Aloysius. I have never written my own DYK article or hook, although I have often rewritten unclear hooks, as in this case. Art LaPella (talk) 16:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I urge you to create a committed identity like I have on my user page. It's designed to aid in the case of your account being compromised. Here's a good one that I used. SHA-512 is a good idea since the high number of bits and repetitions in the algorithm makes it nearly impossible to calculate backwards. It's a good thing for an admin-hopeful! Royalbroil 03:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Working on it as we "speak." -Oreo Priest ^talk 12:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I've added something, so take a look. I'll add an alt hook anyway at T:TDYK in a sec. -Oreo Priest ^talk 13:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Alt hook also added. Let me know what you think. -Oreo Priest ^talk 13:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi just being slow - I think its there now. It took a while to sort out the hook from the chatter :-) Victuallers (talk) 15:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I think you made a good call. -Oreo Priest ^talk 08:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed unanimously with the support of 100 editors. Your kindness is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Wizardman, Black Falcon and jc37 for nominating me. — Horologium

A score card is a piece of paper where someone (usually an official) keeps track of the score (game) in a game (like a Box score (baseball) in baseball). So in auto racing, they would keep track of how many laps that a driver completed by recording the time that the driver completed a lap. It has been replaced by transponders in everything from international touring series down to some local tracks. Some local tracks still use score cards. Can you think of a better wording for that article so that it's clear to a non-racing fan thoroughout the world? I can't. Royalbroil 15:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Ouch, that was a bad typo on my part! Thanks for fixing it! Royalbroil 15:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh my, do we really have to use another U.S. building image for the next DYK? I think we could replace it with one of those Turkish stamp images... --BorgQueen (talk) 04:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

The next time you feel up to the Proctology exam that is RfA, let me know, and I'll nominate you. I thought you were an admin, which is why I didn't update a few nights ago; I thought you were an admin and could do it.--Bedford 03:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I called it first! Gato is waiting for a self-imposed 6 month time limit to expire, which will happen on May 10th. I'm starting to write the nom. Royalbroil 03:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

This is a hilarious typo. Ottava Rima (talk) 12:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I responded here and I can fix the article with the "dissent" against Milton's authorship, and I have six critical works "proving" Milton's authorship along with three modern publications that label it as "Milton's" vs. the one major work that puts it into doubt. Ottava Rima (talk) 12:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I have expanded De doctrina Christiana (Milton), see if that solves some of the confusion. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Because that would be OR. OR is not allowed, and such an action would be synthesis. Notice how all of those sources say "Milton" in the title when refering to De Doctrina. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, it would be foolish not to use "Milton" especially when the title now has "Milton" in it per the decision of others. Even the quoted sources use Milton. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to note - when you talk about theological or political works, you always use the author's name. It is rare that people refer to the work itself, because it is the author who puts the authority into the words. Paper never says anything, either character, a narrator, or an author speaks. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

But the sources don't say "the document says it", the sources say "Milton says __ in the document". There is a difference between the two, and removing Milton from usage in the sources listed is OR synthesis and a negation of NPOV, because all sources must be represented as they are. Hence the direct quote: "Milton may be quite correctly called an Arian if he holds an anti-Trinitarian view of God; and it is in this sense that scholars have been calling Milton an Arian since the publication of the De Doctrina in 1825."[26] It would be silly to start mixing "Milton says" along with "The manuscript says". Ottava Rima (talk) 00:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I added two more lines to the article based on the premise of a 240 page work that explores every possible problem with the manuscript and certifies beyond a doubt why most scholars agree that it is Milton's work. I can expand on what this work says with direct quotes if you think that authorship deserves its own section, since a lot of criticism has been put in to explain why Milton is the author (substantially more compared to the material produced to deny his authorship). Ottava Rima (talk) 00:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I could use the term "rediscovered" to make it more appropriate. The work was "lost" for 100 + years. Also, I updated and expanded on the authorship. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the rediscovery is mentioned twice: "De doctrina Christiana (Christian Doctrine) is a Latin manuscript found in 1823 and is commonly attributed to John Milton. " and "The only manuscript of Christian Doctrine was found in London's Old State Paper Office.[4] The work was one of many in a bundle of state papers written by John Milton while he served as Secretary of Foreign Tongues under Oliver Cromwell. The manuscript was provided with an prefatory epistle that explains the background and history to the formation of the work. If it is correct, the manuscript is the same work refered to in Milton's Commonplace Book and to an account by Edward Phillips, Milton's nephew, of a theological "tracate".[4]" This was followed up with "In 1675, Skinner attempted to publish the work in Amsterdam, but it was rejected, and in 1677 he was pressured by the English government to hand over the document where it was then hidden.[6]" If this isn't clear, I added "1823" to the second mention of the discovery. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:05, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

But the publication wasn't the big thing. It was the fact that the work was completely hidden by the government that is at issue. Even if the work wasn't published, the work would still prove that Milton is an Arian, which reidentifies the Christianity in works like Paradise Lost. Regardless, I reworded the DYK statement to say: "that De doctrina Christiana is identified as John Milton's attempt to define his own particular Christian theology and was lost until its rediscovery 148 years after Milton died?" Ottava Rima (talk) 01:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

The "suppression" line could work, but the work was also denied for publication in other countries, and it was more "buried" than suppressed. Hmm. Its a complicated issue to say the least. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I added two alternate hooks, based on your suggestion. When I said "complicated" before, I mean the suppression. Thanks for your help. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 01:51, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I enjoyed working with you, and you gave valuable insight to areas that should be expanded immediately. I am sure we will run into each other more often. Congrats on your RFA, it was overdue and DYK sure needs more with your level of participation. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

It is quite alright. You pointed out some really important issues, and thats all that matters. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 03:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Then please finish your update and I will transfer it to the DYK, and reset the clock again. I was in hurry because the update was overdue. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you think Nuit (song) would pass DYK nom?--Ryan (talk ♠ Review) 02:51, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I also got someone elses opinion on it. I came up with a good hook with an inline citation. I guess I'll nominate it now.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 03:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Royalbroil 03:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Hooray. Adding my co-nom. Bencherlite^Talk 06:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, saw your acceptance and was going to sleep and wanted to get it in before I forgot, or you withdrew after 90,342-2/3-0.57142... or something.John Z (talk) 06:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

 Done Transclude at will! Bencherlite^Talk 06:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Good luck on your RfA. I am sure you will never allow the timer of Main Page DYK page go beyond 6 hours deadline ,if made an admin . Best of luck -- ₮inucherian ^(Talk) - 11:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Just thought you might find this humourous.

It was quite a while before I realised that your username wasn't "Gatoglass". It's funny what the eyes may do : ) - jc37 01:07, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Believe me you're not the only one. I get called that quite a bit :) Gatoclass (talk) 01:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I had wondered.

Nice to know my eyes have company : ) - jc37 01:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I thought, to get you warmed up for becoming admin, if you would like to do all the credits for the new DYK articles?--Bedford 01:43, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I see your doing some work at the template. While your at it, do you mind reviewing Bahá'í Faith in Niger if there are some mistakes on it? Thanks. It's on the May 5 thread by the way.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 05:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Oh, and I just noticed that your the one running for Adminship. I can't believe I never noticed that.--RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 14:42, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, This is regarding the DYK suggestion on Next Update

• ... that Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism originated as defensive measures from Hindu revivalists against Protestant missionaries?
  

This is unreferenced and personally I feel this is a POV push . Thoughts ? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 10:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, I was about to update DYK (3 hours overdue!!!!11) and noticed you tagged T:DYK/N with {{inuse}} a few minutes ago. I was wondering if you'd object using the following as the last hook:

• ... that fire is one of the most important forming processes of the geography and ecology of the Everglades?

The article is in excellent shape, and the hook statement is quite easy to verify. If you don't come back to the page in a while, I'll just go ahead and update—sorry, but 9 hours with the same hooks is just far too long. Best, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 01:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm back after being gone all day; let me know when its ready, and I'll do it.--Bedford 01:40, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Good luck with your mop request :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 01:46, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah - I noticed that as well (message on BorgQueen's talk) I will be more careful, just a little surprised to see a DYK on the main page a day after the article was created. « Milk's Favorite Cookie ^{( talk / contribs)} 03:05, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

That was because it was Cinco de Mayo special. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:08, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

On 11 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with facts from the articles Birely, Hillman & Streaker, Casco class monitor, and Alban C. Stimers, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 08:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I responded to the failing of the DYK I nominated, underneath your comment. If a mistake was made in the decision to omit a DYK (Geography and ecology of the Everglades), which I believe there has been, may it be rectified by including it on the next day? --Moni3 (talk) 19:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you think that it is okay if I move my own Buddha's birthday hook to the next update? --BorgQueen (talk) 02:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Íve added another set to WT:DYK. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I think that it was quite successful. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Why is my hook for Ethnographic Lithuania expiring? Sure, it is written mostly using one source, but is a pretty reliable one, so V/CITE should be fine...? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 02:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I will be offline for the next 24h, unfortunately, so I may not address the issues as soon as I'd do usually :( --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 02:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Left you a reply.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 05:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if you could do the credits? Thanks a lot. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I do have objections about this article, and there is a range of unanswered questions provided on the talk page.--Lokyz (talk) 07:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I actually helped to greatly expand the article as well as nominated it. Would you please change the DYK credit on my talk page from the nom template to make it the DYK expansion template? Thanks! Royalbroil 12:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice! --Parkwells (talk) 01:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

FYI... Also, the list of all-time worsts is in the well-sourced List of worst MLB season records article here. William I of Schenectady (talk) 11:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to complain but I'd just like to say it would have been nice of you, having withdrawn from judging this article for DYK inclusion, to have at least found another administrator to look at it. As it is, the deadline lapsed and no one seems to have bothered including it even though it was a perfectly fine article. Malick78 (talk) 15:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

• Hi, sorry for telling you off if you did ask someone else to check it. As for me using a dictionary of biography to flesh out the bio, I would but I'm out of Britain at the moment with no access to one. If it was in DYK though, perhaps someone else would have been tempted to do so...;) After all, every article needs a start and will be built on by others. As a remedy to the situation, seeing that it was deleted prematurely, would it be possible to slip it in to the next DYK update? I'd be very grateful:)) Malick78 (talk) 16:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

• Many thanks:))) Malick78 (talk) 07:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for you help. For the capitalized general part, I was following convention set up earlier like politician, cricketer, etc. But if you think "General" is the right choice, go for it. Thanks again. Razzsic (talk) 13:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for crediting on the last update. You enabled me to go to my young niece's first ever reading at a church service at her school.

I'm glad to see that your RFA is going so well! WP:100 is imminent. Isn't it great to see how some of the people that you respect support your RFA? You can see how almost everyone appreciates your effort! Royalbroil 15:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Gato, thanks for bringing that to my attention. I'll keep a closer eye on the tags. Btw, I've been giving out cookies right and left lately. Figured you could use one, too. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Did you seriously think that was n main space? :-) Giano (talk) 08:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, one person fell for it seriously at the tme, but sadly I can't finr the post, others just found it quite disgusting. Giano (talk) 09:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Has this article been expanded enough for DYK? I've got a cracker of a hook but don't want to waste time nominating it if it won't pass on expansion. My thinking is that the infobox won't count, and that was a large part of the original article size before I started the expansion. Mjroots (talk) 19:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Based on this difference I'm going to nom anyway. Mjroots (talk) 19:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

You've got two more hours to go in your RfA. Are you getting nervous whether or not you've gotten a high enough vote tally/percentage to make it to admin? ;) --Bedford 05:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations, I'm pleased to let you know that I've closed your RfA as successful, and you're now an administrator! May I suggest you visit the Wikipedia:New admin school to get a few ideas on the best way to start using your shiny new buttons? If in doubt, feel free to give me a shout! Well done and all the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 10:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! I was sure you'd do well, but to get onto WP:100 is fantastic and a credit to all your hard work. Let me know if you think I can help with the tools, and I'll gladly point you in the direction of someone else... Have fun! Bencherlite^Talk 10:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations, welcome to the bizarre world of adminship, may you sail her wisely. Woody (talk) 10:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratualtions , Mr. Admin. We hope to see no more back log for DYKs ! -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 10:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Well , I was the last person to Tally your RFA to (112/2/1) . -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 10:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations, you can stop holding your breath! The new admin school is VERY valuable. Let me or someone else know if you need help with updating DYK (but I won't be around much for the next 3 days).

One common error that newbie admins make with updating DYK is to forget to upload a temporary Commons image to the English Wikipedia. You don't need to protect it, despite what others think, because it gets cascading protection by being on the main page. I never apply protection; I just apply the {{C-uploaded}} template. Test it and you'll see that I'm right. Royalbroil 12:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Congrats! Lemmie know if you ever have any questions or issues with the shiny new buttons. --Kralizec! (talk) 16:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on your promotion. Ooohhh! Shiny new buttons... Ooohhh! JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 21:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations. seresin ( ¡? ) 06:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Welcome aboard. re the edit summary, in the end I decided it wasn't vital since you indicated that communication was a priority; you seem to manage it sufficiently well without activating the preference (I don't have it activated either - and I am 99.99% on edit summaries). The only advice I have left is to remember that being sysop means that it can get a little serious, but this place is supposed to be an enjoyable experience. Happy adminning. LessHeard vanU (talk) 10:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Very well deserved congratulations! Sorry I have been AWOL at DYK - I've gotten very involved at WP:PR lately, but if there is ever anything I can do, please let me know. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 11:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations. you've done tonnes of great work. You deserve 300+!!! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Now 8 hrs since last update. Mjroots (talk) 12:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Taken care of. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on your promotion! I am so stealing that messagebox template, haha. ;) asenine ^{say what?} 09:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I know it's of no use to you know, but since some people have specific RfA spam pages, {{PAGENAME}} should be {{BASEPAGENAME}}. Have a nice day. :) asenine ^{say what?} 09:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I would like to request that you delete my talk page, since it has caused problems because of my edit in the "Pope John Paul" article. It has caused problems, due to other users believing that my edits were "bad faith" when I edited a subsection of the article's "Dalai Lama and the Pope's relationship," while I was perfectly aware my intentions were of good faith. My block was made by admin Kafziel, who believes that my edits were "destructive to the Wikipedian community," and therefore, reverted every single edit I made on the day of my edit for the Pope John Paul article, therefore blocking me for a period of ONE (1) day. My information may be misinfomation, in my opinion. Please delete my talk page. (If it would be possible for you to send me a copy of the talk page before permanent deletion, I would also like to request that.) Many thanks for your efforts. Prowikipedians (talk) 10:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Congrats! You're welcome! --Creamy!^Talk 12:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to the sewers, put on your wellies and jump in there always room for one more mop. Lucky this slip of the keyboard fell on the right talk page, but I'd suggest that you be careful about abbreviating usernames. Gnangarra 13:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with that...Congrats! weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 16:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome for the support, and for rollback! Good luck! Acalamari 17:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! I hope you will do a great job as an admin. And, you have created more than 200 articles. That's great! Masterpiece2000 (talk) 07:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I would like to request that 211.21.238.26 blocked from editing. I have warned this user directly, and so have many others, aside from the ones in the block talk warning. Several of them have been mentioned within edits summaries. Please block. Thanks. Prowikipedians (talk) 10:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

http://www.imdb.com/ This is the main Internet link for information on actors. What else do you recommend? Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I went to the site but could not find how to "edit" it. There is a way to add photos or comments, but I douldn't do that either. What is the preferred alternate site for actors?

Billy Hathorn (talk) 11:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it looks fine. Congratulations for your first update. Where is a bottle of champagne? :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 06:44, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, its only the second time that one of my, usually rather obscure, articles made it there, I'm rather proud! I suggested two more, both regarding facts from recent Gauliga articles I've created, one on 15 and the other on 18 May, and I will keep an eye out for anythink curious or intersting in the future. I didn't know you could self-nominate. Take care, have fun, EA210269 (talk) 07:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The last man to be ginbbetted in England was 10 years later ...... the hook doesn't mention England .... but the article did ... my fault. I think its now amended and reffed. Thx for the help. Victuallers (talk) 12:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Nice to see you being bold and putting two photos in this time :-)). I don't see why DYK has to be restricted to just the one photo. Mjroots (talk) 11:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

:-( Mjroots (talk) 12:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh well, can't win them all. Where would be the best place to ask about a revision to the policy re the amount of pictures in the DYK section of the main page? Mjroots (talk) 12:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you're the right person to ask, but it appears as if the DYKs currently on the Main page didn't get the DYK templates on the article talk pages. Was it oversight, or just premature on my part? Thanks.--Appraiser (talk) 12:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.--Appraiser (talk) 12:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I've added an alt of List of Buffalo Sabres head coaches on DYK. Hoping you would check it out. Thanks, « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie ^{( talk / contribs)} 19:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Your a good editor and now your an admin. You'll do great. Regards, RyRy5 (talk ♠ wikify) 05:12, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I have noted your ‘Reads like an ad’ tag at Woodhouse Grove School and have started work on a cleanup but have started to struggle to make any further alterations without decimating the article. Could I lean on your broader and deeper editing experience for help?

Firstly I wanted to assure you that there are no ulterior motives in the article. I have no connection whatsoever with the school, I just have a general interest in British school institutions and have also edited several other schools with which I have no personal connection eg Skegness Grammar School and King Edward VI Humanities College which I consider to be far inferior to the Woodhouse article.

I was browsing in a local Boston book fair and bought a moth eaten second hand copy of the book “The story of Woodhouse Grove” for 75 pence, looked up the school’s rather sad little stub on wiki and set about expanding it. I am a new wiki editor with only a couple of month’s experience – filling in my retirement time after three strokes – another editor waxed lyrical about my expanded Woodhouse entry and suggested I put it forward for the “Did you know” section.

All of the “reads like an ad” info and comments in the article have come from third party sites unconnected with the school, mostly the Independant Schools Council and OFSTED reports by government officials. There is no personal POV stuff of mine in there.

I assume the section you have most problem with is the “School Today” parts, but it does seem to match similar sections for many British schools in content and coverage. What else needs to be changed and how? 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 11:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I see that the class of admins has been improved by your membership. Well done for us. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 19:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC) Ahhh I never knew you cared.... you could have had three of my votes. I agree with you even when you are arguing with me ... :-) Victuallers (talk) 13:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

You're both awesome! Royalbroil 14:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

...don't forget to c-upload!  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 17:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I responded to your comment at T:TDYK. What exactly makes it look like an advertising brochure? I left out alot of fluff and have given a basic overview of the hotel and rooms. APK ^{yada yada} 04:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I did some investigating and found a consirable spamming campaign done by a ring of accounts all working for the benefit of a ring of companies that look legitimate such as...

hxxp://www.childhealth.co.uk/ hxxp://www.constipationadvice.co.uk/

and about a dozen more, all popping up under the "external links" of every wikipedia page that someone one go to for looking up a remedy. I spent a lot of time, reviewing the edits of one particular user, but found that earlier revisions (like 6 months before) were also doing the same thing, then disappearing.

The conclusion of my digging was that hxxp://www.alchemyinteractive.co.uk/ and hxxp://www.webheads.co.uk/ are just two of a group of 10 or more domains that are involved in account manipulations (create an account, do 4-5 harmless edits to disguise their intentions) then spam a lot of the wikipedia pages, then disappear.

I was very lucky to discover that alchemyinteractive and webheads are related, or else I wouldn't have been able to connect them. I read on another talk page that you handle this kind of stuff, or know who to turn it over to. These two companies have phone numbers and when I googled them, several online websites ("web design and online promotion companies") are all puppet websites but none of them ultimately say who the parent company is that operates them all (and for good reason--it would make it too easy for wikipedia admins to stop them).

So hopefully you know the admin who knows the admin who can put my information to good use and make wikipedia's anti-spam bots and techncicians stronger and more effective. I'd call the company myself and tell them to stop, but I live in the states and a call to London or a black-fax would cost me too much $ and I'm broke.

P.S. Those "legitimate sounding companies" make you register for a "free leaflet by email" and even if someone doesn't give out their email, their cookies are VERY unkosher and they spam you with lots of seemingly good information and they try to emulate webmd.com except not run by doctors, and they are only seeking traffic, and conversion ratios. I only felt like doing this because I came to WP looking for info on an earache, and then remembered seeing similar spam that I faintly remembered from a year ago (and digging discovered different accounts one linking to alchemyinteractive and one linking to webheads, and thanks to google, I tied those companies together, thus leading to the deduction that it would be more effecient to just keep an eye on that unknown parent company of the two, because its impossible to connect all their spamming unless we know every online-promotion-company under the parent company's control). I wish I knew who to directly give this information to, but I'm not as well networked here on WP as you are. Thanks in advance, and hope that the thousands of volunteers can outwit the major spam ringleaders. Sentriclecub (talk) 06:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Please post the spamming related accounts, diffs, all the domains on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Health_problems --Hu12 (talk) 14:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

You wrote, as a middle aged male, I tend not to have the same testosterone charged reactions that seem to afflict some of the (presumably) younger editors. I mean, I see a fair bit of immaturity here. I doubt your statements would be accepted by the community if you were a woman stating that you wouldn't be "hysterical" or "catty," and it pains me to see that you view maleness and male hormones as an impediment to the progress of the encyclopedia. I would ask that you please cease making sexist claims about males and male hormones, and apparently attempting to play to overall, general anti-male sentiment on Wikipedia, as seen in WP:CSB and elsewhere. This becomes especially important now that you have sysop powers. I hope you will begin to see men and males as the equals of women and females, and not a group to be distanced from. Blackworm (talk) 05:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Forgot to add yourself here ?? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 12:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

On 28 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Detroit Wheels, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 16:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

You have reverted more than 3 times. I suggest that you self-revert before being reported.Ultramarine (talk) 09:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok now im really tired.. can u finish the update? thanks --BorgQueen (talk) 17:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome to add one more hook, if you'd like... --BorgQueen (talk) 04:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. It is all yours now. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Quen's Own Oxfordshire Hussars - Sorry my understanding wasa that any editor could add it ?

If the suggested DYK meets the requirements, any editor may add the suggestion to the DYK template next update page and then delete the suggestion from the DYK template talk page. In practice, to ensure that all suggestions are given fair consideration, the oldest suggestions listed on the suggestions page are selected first, to ensure that they don't go stale before they are chosen. DYK entries listed on the next update are not final, and may be amended, edited or rejected by any other editor. If they are rejected, they should be returned to the place on the suggestions page where they were originally listed, with their original comments (consultation of the history of the DYK template talk page may be

If I have done it wrong could you point me in the right direction Jim Sweeney (talk) 06:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I think I see the article was already on the page for the 29th May

ALT: *... that the Queer Objects On Horseback was the nickname for the Queen's Own Oxfordshire Hussars, whose Honorary Colonel was Winston Churchill, and who preceded the coffin at his state funeral? Now 194 chars. Johnbod (talk) 02:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC) The hook facts aren't inline cited, and most of the references are either 404s or links to the main page of a website rather than the specific article. Mentioned this on the article's talk page. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC) All references now fixed, and I added an extra footnote for the hook fact. Olaf Davis | Talk 20:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Jim Sweeney (talk) 07:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

"In 1938, Hubbard switched genres. With writers such as Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov and A.E. Van Vogt, he ushered in the Golden Age of science fiction. His heroes tended to be supermen who drew on highly developed mental powers to save the world. By the late 1940s, nearly 100 of his novels had been published, including "Final Blackout," an early classic of the field."

• San Diego Union

Could you please slap the "verified" tag on this DYK hook? You can check all the cites for yourself if you wish, but the article is indeed very highly sourced, with every single sentence cited to WP:RS/WP:V sources. Thanks for taking a look, Cirt (talk) 07:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I respectfully request that personal opinions and POV should be put aside, and instead we should rely on the WP:RS/WP:V sources for verification of facts, that would be the best way to achieve NPOV, IMHO. Now, I adjusted the hook text per your recommendation to read "early classic", as per multiple secondary sources - can you now add the "verified" symbol to the hook? Cirt (talk) 07:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I found the "verified" thingy, I think it is {{Confirmed}}. Cirt (talk) 07:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks, good sir. Cirt (talk) 08:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I notice you reverted the hyphen.. Are you sure it doesn't need one? --BorgQueen (talk) 08:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I did wonder about that phrase anyway, so I'm glad it's gone! Bencherlite^Talk 09:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the compliment. I think it's a very good article, so kudos for your involvement.

I couldn't help noticing your interests lie with ships and military matters etc, and I don't know where you're from, but I'm intrigued by your interest in a (now little-known) Australian composer.

By the way, can you help with the Talk page problem. Hanson's talk page redirects to Talk:Raymond Hanson (cricketer). The composer Raymond Hanson doesn't seem to have a talk page, curiously. I noticed the problem and I thought moving "Raymond Hanson" to Raymond Hanson (composer) (which was necessary anyway to disambiguate the 2) would fix it, but it didn't fix it. -- JackofOz (talk) 10:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that. You've got me intrigued now - I know Hanson by reputation, and I've heard a few of his orchestral pieces and his Trumpet Concerto over the years, but I've never heard his piano work. I will definitely search out "The Garden Seat" and see what it's like. Just one minor detail - the talk page for Raymond Hanson is still called "Talk: Raymond Hanson (composer)". Sorry for making work for you. Cheers. -- JackofOz (talk) 22:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

It's been fixed now, so rest easy. -- JackofOz (talk) 22:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gatoclass - I've made the correction of issues you pointed out - [2]. Please have a look, Vishnava _talk 16:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Yikes! Sorry about that - I've corrected it properly now - [3]. Vishnava _talk 17:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

One more thing - could you please have a look at the May 29 DYK nom of Sino-Bhutanese relations? Grenavitar contends that I must use {{cite web}}; while I agree that it is better, I don't think that has ever been a requirement for DYK - as I have seen, you only need citations from reliable sources and not necessary in the template format. Could you please give your opinion? I don't want the nom to be derailed over this. Vishnava _talk 17:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gatoclass - I've started working as a DYK reviewer since last weekend, and I am concerned that I'm nitpicking and not being well-grounded in policy when commenting. I'm trying to help, and I don't want to end up causing problems. What is your opinion, and how can I improve? Vishnava _talk 20:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your additions to Hans Springinklee (and also the suggestion a couple of months ago to merge together the Talking statues of Rome in one place, which I have not yet got around to doing).

Unfortunately, I can't be so appreciative of your comment on Villa Medicea del Trebbio at T:TDYK. For what good it will do, I have swallowed my pride and distaste for citing the bleeding obvious, and added what is surely one of the most pointless and superfluous footnotes in the whole of Wikipedia. -- Theramin (talk) 21:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment on my talk page. I'm not sure whether it is best to reply here or there. But are you really saying that the main purpose of adding a citation in this case is simply to assist those reviewing the article for compliance with DYK's "Rules"? Sounds like the tail wagging the dog to me.

I had thought the purpose of adding citations (where they are required) was to aid verifiability. As I say above, that is not an issue here. The pointlessness of the exercise is demonstrated by your suggestion that I could remove the footnote once the article is off the Main Page. Sigh.

Anyway, rant over. My apologies for venting spleen in your general direction. -- Theramin (talk) 21:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Can you look into the activities on Template:Did you know/Next update By an IP address ? -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 06:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It was a mistake from my side. Usually we dont see activity on the DYK pages with IP address, I mistook it as a vandal blanking the page. I suspected it as I saw another user also reverting the edits by the IP. My bad ! Sorry :( -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 10:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

My first moment of wiki-fame, thanks to you and of course, Olaus Murie. I've tried to do even better with the article on Adolph Murie, Olaus's half-brother. And, I hope to fix up the rather thin article on the Murie family soon. Dictioneer (talk) 01:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Nice to see you again Gatoclass. Well, I've recently nominated Pete Smith (baseball) for DYK. Others are supposed to look at the article carefully due to this discussion. Do you think it's a copyvio? I'd rather have you reply here. I'd like to keep things neat. :) --RyRy5 (talk) 08:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Gatoclass. :) --RyRy5 (talk) 10:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the thoughts Gatoclass. I must admit I was surprised a double nom with a colourful painting and mention of the Darwin family(*) was not chosen immediately, however its too easy to get paranoic about these things. The only remedy is when I get completely unsolicited support from a solid admin like yourself. Thank you for the best wishes and my best thoughts to you.

An unsolicited factoid *-Erasmus Darwin (the grandad of THE Darwin) had a family motto "all from shells" .... there is solid evidence that Erasmus knew about evolution before Charles gathered the evidence and wrote the book. I went around his house recently as I live in the next county.

Cheers Roger aka Victuallers (talk) 08:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

...Well I decided to try the "same" picture again ... See Harry Peckham. I have found 6 almost identical pictures of notables so we shall have that picture on DYK yet! Victuallers (talk) 08:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Gatoclass .... a cure for paranoia Victuallers (talk) 11:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Was that in response to this?! Bencherlite^Talk 09:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Good stuff. I have online access to Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians if you want extra info. Bencherlite^Talk 10:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Alas, nothing about her in Grove (and I checked her married name too). 1:0 to Gatoclass! Bencherlite^Talk 21:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

On 5 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William G. James, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 13:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gatoclass. Thanks for your great contributions to WP. You recently said to me:

Look, I'm sorry, but you have cherry picked your sources in the article now to claim that the Church has never had more than 5000 members, when in fact you have several sources saying they have tens of thousands of members. Neither the new hook you have submitted nor the article as it currently stands is eligible in my opinion, as you have effectively engaged in original research. It also makes me wonder how accurate the other claims in the article might be.

I'm sorry that I am not able to respond to this. If you accuse someone of being a liar there is nothing that person can say that will convince you otherwise. Best wishes. Steve Dufour (talk) 21:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

On 7 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Raymond Hanson, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thank you for all of your efforts at DYK! --Royalbroil 05:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I've done the {{dyktalk|7 June|2008}} part, can you do the user notification? --BorgQueen (talk) 11:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I was wondering if I could assist you users who participate in reviewing DYK noms. I'd like to help out. Is that okay? --RyRy5 (talk) 18:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I know. I just wanted your opinions. I won't really review very often. Thanks anyway.--RyRy5 (talk) 18:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not sure I follow you. George Campbell and Otto Zobel are mentioned in the hook, not only in the article. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh I see. But then... the fact Star Trek and The Incredible Hulk are US products is not mentioned in the hooks either. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, maybe it is a cultural difference I am not following. I am in a country where many people think Doctor Who is an American show. :-D Anyway, thanks for your hard work. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Responded to your query at T:TDYK. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 00:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

How about if we remove "reportedly" but also remove "very" before the word "similar" in the hook? I think this is fine because we have not one but in fact multiple independent WP:RS/WP:V sources that compare the two stories. Otherwise, I would rather change it to "has been compared to...". Thanks, Cirt (talk) 11:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

How about :

• ... that L. Ron Hubbard's science fiction film screenplay Revolt in the Stars and his Scientology space opera theology both contain references to the character Xenu?

Let me know what you think, Cirt (talk) 11:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see you removed the wording, so nevermind. Feel free to use either version if you do the updating. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 11:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that is too specific, when we have multiple other sources referring to the same thing, not just The Washington Post. Why not use the one I just suggested, above? Like I said, this is supported by multiple other sources. If you want I can cite them for you. Cirt (talk) 16:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

No worries, I can babysit DYK for a while. I wish I could forget about it sometimes... --BorgQueen (talk) 12:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I've started working on Christopher Smart's poetry and adding pages. I added 6 DYK? candidates. I wish I could get a group of them DYK'ed at a time lmao. It would be quite amusing. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I wonder if you could chip in on a proposal to shorten the lead. I have made one edit, and suggested another, and outlined the possible shape of a drastic review of the lead on the talk page. I've asked Avruch to come over and look at it as well. I have no objections to a thorough revert to the original form, or some reduction as agreed to by all, and am only acting provisorily on the prompting of another editor. Regards Nishidani (talk) 10:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

On 10 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dulcie Holland, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 14:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

It is so strange cos I see blank space for one more hook yet! Main Page balance really is something itchy and tricky... --BorgQueen (talk) 07:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I just checked preferences, I am using "MonoBook (default)". I am on Firefox, Windows, default font size, 12" laptop. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

On 12 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Roy Agnew, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 06:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

		The DYK Medal
		Awarded to Gatoclass for tireless updating and maintenance of DYK. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Gato, Thanks for promoting William Bragge to DYK! --Rosiestep (talk) 05:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

What does throwback mean? Does it mean the article won't be used now? APK ^{yada yada} 13:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

The National Register portion of the National Park Service website seems to be down. I added some alternative references that I think should do the trick, in case KudzuVine and/or doncram didn't notice in order to fix it in a timely manner. I know they worked hard on this article, don't want them to miss their chance at the DYK. If you have a chance to check it again, that'd be great. Lvklock (talk) 15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind congrats, I never knew of how things got in the 'Did you know' column and feel quite honoured especially as it keeps the name of the amazing Colonel C alive! So you were an American submariner?Foofbun (talk) 00:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Gatto! Ciao.Foofbun (talk) 11:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for ok'ing for DYK on the three Carnegie libraries. I usually try to ensure hooks are easier to verify, but wanted a single hook to tie all three of these new articles together and catch attention. BTW, I enjoyed your recent article on the Detroit Wheels -- as a former Detroiter, I remember those songs well.Cbl62 (talk) 21:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Not sure who approved this one, but it's scarcely even a x2 expansion. Gatoclass (talk) 04:21, 13 June 2008(UTC)"[4]

See my reply at Template talk:Did you know, here. -- One pound (talk) 22:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Responded on the page in question. Gatoclass (talk) 09:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. We all make mistakes; thank you for so graciously conceding in this case. And my apologies if I was a little short in my reply earlier today - I was somewhat exasperated to find the article had been rejected on those grounds. -- One pound (talk) 20:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi -- I'm flattered to receive DYK credit, but i made only a very minor alteration to the DYK hook for René Pleven article. I see on the "next update" page that it lists or listed credit for me, but from Revision history of René Pleven it looks like it was User:Carabinieri who developed the article and probably put forward the DYK. doncram (talk) 07:15, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, you seem to be the one that administrated the DYK of Skabo Jernbanevognfabrikk (at 10:04 UTC on June 15). It seems that the hook is not included on Wikipedia:Recent additions. Could you please look into this, please? (I am rather uncomfortable fooling around these sorts of pages). Thanks. Arsenikk ^(talk) 12:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I forgot about that one. Replied there.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 14:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Gato. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with the mentioned article. I'd seriously like to make it into a good article. Kindly guide me how I can achieve that. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 08:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I tweaked the Jenny Wiley State Resort Park hook. Bit of a tricky one. Do you think that looks ok? Seraphim♥Whipp 12:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Gatoclass. You have new messages at Seraphim Whipp's talk page.
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Thanks for the Paul Lorrain DYK. Much appreciated. --Tagishsimon (talk) 13:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

A comment was left on my page that may have been intended for you. Please see User_talk:Ali'i#Citation bombing. Thanks! --Ali'i 14:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

On 19 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Frank Hutchens, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 17:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know, since we both work on DYK, that I'll be on vacation next week from Wednesday afternoon to Sunday afternoon, and therefore won't be able to help during that time.--Bedford ^Pray 18:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Gato, thanks for the DYK on the Canadian Ballet Festival! --Rosiestep (talk) 21:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to make sure you realize that there are two articles in my hook, not just one, as is credited in the next update.--Bedford ^Pray 07:28, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment on the pic, although I wish it could have been better. It was late that day, it was cloudy and cold and photographing a grayish structure against a cloudy sky gets you a bit of flare from the almost-blown highlight behind it. Taken in sunny weather, midday, with a blue sky behind it it would have been different.

The Irving memorial photo included is actually one someone else took ... mine is the one in the article infobox that shows the whole thing.

BTW, you missed it because I didn't expect this hook to be promoted before the Dobbs Ferry post office one, but that was my 100th DYK. Daniel Case (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Just in case you haven't noticed, there was one credit I couldn't clear when I update it the last time. Think you could do the honors?--Bedford ^Pray 05:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi - sorry - my mistake completely. "120 days" (4 months :) was a kind of ridiculous typo - I meant "hours," 5 days. Also, I messed up in judging the version - it was clearly a stub prior to June 10, which for a June 15 nom is perfectly OK. I apologize again, Vishnava _talk 16:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Its not like it was EUI (editing-under-intoxication), so it becomes a stupid mistake. Thanks for correcting it - will keep both my eyes open from now, Vishnava _talk 16:19, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I'm so sorry about that. I didn't notice the tag (oops) and just went along with the update. Is there anything that needs fixing? I did protect the image, so that's taken care of. Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 06:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know. I'm not a DYK regular, so I appreciate the help. :) Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 06:50, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, the DYK for MF Storegut at 16:50 on 19 June seems to be missing at Wikipedia:Recent additions. Since you administrated it, could you look into the matter? Thanks Arsenikk ^(talk)

(copied from my talk page) Thanks for the DYK credit. And you're very welcome for the assistance on the project - it's rapidly become one of my favourite places to work over the last month or so. Olaf Davis | Talk 14:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

It will be nice being able to work with you again in the future now. :) I will get back to putting together new articles shortly. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I was surprised too. Thanks so much for putting it out there with a DYK, Gatoclass. Best, Julia Rossi (talk) 10:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi - I've decided to promote this suggestion that I made - double-checked that everything is sourced and its not POV. Vishnava _talk 19:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

... for pulling the article. --Blechnic (talk) 07:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Mentioned it earlier than what? How? Do any of you realize how difficult it is to find where to put a notice for what is wrong on the main page? I spent my first month on Wikipedia trying to figure out how to tell people that their articles were wrong, usually just using the article's talk page. Articles were never pulled from DYK no matter what was wrong with them, and facts were seldom checked. I mentioned this as soon as I read it. I figured someone would challenge me, is anything wrong with DYK right now, so I went and read one, and the first one I read was plagiarized. The second one I read, though, restored my faith in Wikipedia's future. --Blechnic (talk) 07:18, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

On 25 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Frank McEncroe, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 10:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		Wow, it's basically just you and BorgQueen doing all the updating at DYK. It's largely a thankless job, and I hope this will give you incentive to continue your fabulous work there. I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 20:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

And a question, regardiong Beth Mugo: Is Kenyan government sources different than the US? This seems to be causing all the drama recently, and I would like to know how I can help Mugo's article if it isn't. Thanks for your concern in the matter. I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 20:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

When you are genuinely concerned about civility, try not to include threats in the post. ("And believe me, next time you make an appearance at AN/I, the result is not likely to be as agreeable for you as it was on the previous occasion.") It dampens the impact of your concern. --Blechnic (talk) 06:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Just one last point to be clear: you threatened me for finding plagiarisms, and that was the threat: you would and will accuse me of anything in order to stop my pointing out the dreadful state of this project. You don't want to hear it, or know it. You would rather spend your time and efforts finding something against me than working to find the plagiarisms. I'm not leaving because I'm worried about an incivility accusations, what could be more incivil then be found guilty of claiming another's work as your own and then passing out rewards for it? I'm leaving because Wikipedia honors copying from others and claiming it as Wikipedia's own.

I just found out about the Triple Crown award. I told you there was a reward for DYK. It's very obvious to an outsider that this is the result of a frantic contest, a quest for prizes, not quality. Do you want to guess how many plagiarisms I found in Triple Crown Award winners so far? And, interesting enough, not just in DYKs. a couple in GAs. So, at least you're in good company on Wikipedia.

You don't need software to find plagiarisms, you need English language reading skills and familiarity with encyclopedias. I write lay articles on technical subjects for a living. I read encyclopedia articles and similar articles in journals and books that are on technical subjects for a general audience as part of my job. After the first dozen or more DYK plagiarisms that I spotted, I just started picking them out, left and right. The first ones I found I knew instantly they were plagiarized. I only found two articles that I didn't think had plagiarisms in them, and these in the last 24-48 hours, and they both held up to a quick scrutiny. Every other article I reviewed may have taken some time, but it wasn't really that hard. Just time to find where the lines were copied and pasted from. It's so obvious anyone who spent any time learning the skill of writing can find them. And, you have some more waiting in the queue.

It's not a threat of my incivility, it's a threat to me that if I keep bringing up the problems I will be banned--effectively that is a ban, because I can write, and I find it disgusting that someone would take the work of another, claim it as their own, then show it off for a cyberspace reward to their assumed name.

Now, deal with your problem, instead of hounding users who are willing to leave when you have to threaten them to get rid of them. If I'm not here, you don't have to bother with me, anymore, to explain the obvious: your time can be spent finding the plagiarisms.

--Blechnic (talk) 08:28, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Gatoclass, could you go a bit easier on Blechnic? This editor got a very rough start, and it obviously still rankles. From what I have seen, the positive aspects of the contributions far outweigh the negative aspects of the tone and style. We need more people like Blechnic, pointing out things like plagiarism and making sometimes harsh criticisms when they are needed, not less. The civility aspects can be addressed, but it is far harder to educate people who routinely plagiarise. Please see Wikipedia talk:Plagiarism for the current discussions, and for the history, see here and here. For the block log history and discussion, see here. Carcharoth (talk) 09:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I've replied on my talk page. You might want to look at what JayHenry wrote here. I am currently compiling a list of the positive contributions Blechnic made, and I may start a request for comments over what happened here. It is unacceptable that people feel unable to contribute to Wikipedia because they get attacked for incivility when they should instead be calmed down and thanked for what they have pointed out. Competence is required here, not just civility. Too much emphasis on civility brings standards down. I had great hopes for Blechnic's contributions to plant articles. Before I get too upset, would you consider posting something to Blechnic's talk page to show that you want Blechnic to stay, thus showing that you didn't mean your comment to be a self-fulfilling prophecy? Carcharoth (talk) 10:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh well, whatcha gonna do. At least it was featured, cheers. Lampman ^{Talk to me!} 10:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I added the article back. I did not know that removing it from the nominations page meant that it would be included in the queue for the next update. My appologies. As for the "unattributed statements", everything in that article is attributed to a source. The plagiarism claims are false, but one may question why the same names of organizations Mrs. Jorgensen served on that appear in the main source similarly appear in the Wikipedia article; I cannot make up an organization, thus they will match what those in the source said. Happyme22 (talk) 17:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello,

I'm sure that you are familiar with the touchy nature of this topic at this time - there is intense debate going on all over the world among scholars, especially with respect to proving the Holodomor as a genocide. The reason I labeled all of the sources as dubious is that they are ALL Russian sources, and not scholarly sources, but appear to be on-line newspapers. In such an article, these sources are indeed dubious, especially because (and I may be assuming a lot here) most regular English WP users would not be able to follow up on them. Thanks, Horlo (talk) 07:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually all of the sources that I provided for the Famine of 1932 were carefully selected not to originate from newspapers but historical/demographic journals if one has a closer look. --Kuban Cossack 07:55, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

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