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	Honorary Medical Degree
	I hereby award you an honorary medical degree, first class, for your contributions in medicine. Whispyhistory (talk) 08:17, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I assume this means I am now licensed to perform surgery. I already have a chainsaw and a children's book of anatomy. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:01, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

That's only with a surgical degree. Whispyhistory (talk) 11:39, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Pity, I was just sharpening the chainsaw. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:40, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

I recently performed an autopsy on a small packet of sausages. They didn't die of natural causes, that's for sure. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:05, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

W would be boring without you all. You are all great fun. Thank you for the serious editing though. Whispyhistory (talk) 18:34, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Anyone want to buy an almost new chainsaw? Would suit someone with a degree in surgery. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:47, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

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I suggested an alt. Yoninah (talk) 23:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

— Maile (talk) 12:02, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello Philafrenzy, I restored the notable alumni list because all of the names are notable and most appear to be alumni based on their biographies. Some citations are needed. Gab4gab (talk) 13:55, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

OK. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:10, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

		Happy Christmas!
		Hello P, Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?" My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 19:40, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Merry Christmas to you too. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:10, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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— Maile (talk) 12:02, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations for all your work on this article. The character should be better known.   I imagine he inspired Shaw's character Mr. Sartorius in Widowers' Houses. Ttocserp (talk) 15:41, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing. Wandering around graveyards can often reveal interesting subjects. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:34, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Merry Winterval to you too. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:47, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry if I cut across any of your editing on this article. As ever, I was trying my best to improve something, but maybe ... Anyhow, best wishes of the season to you, which I find usually gets one out of a mess ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:36, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Not at all Derek, I was done. Seasons greetings to you too. Thanks for your work during the year. Philafrenzy (talk) 16:44, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Please take the time to provide proper references, not just bare URLs. If it's left to someone else to use "ReFill" we end up with horrors like "England, Historic" etc, as in this version of Bentley Heath, Hertfordshire. There's a very useful template {{NHLE}} which makes it simple and quick to generate an elegant and future-proof reference to the listed buildings info. Please use it. Thanks.

And, are you sure it's a village? Source, please - population etc? Coordinates? PamD 17:16, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Found OS source which confirms existence, gives location, calls it a hamlet. Fixed. PamD 17:23, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

		Season's Greetings
		Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Shepherds (Cariani) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 10:26, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, John, same to you. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:57, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Philafrenzy, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019. Happy editing, 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:06, 24 December 2018 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Thank you. Merry Christmas to you too. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:13, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

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Thank you very much. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:33, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

	Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
	Hi Philafrenzy, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy and Prosperous New Year, Thanks for all your help and thanks for all your contributions to the 'pedia,    –Davey2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 08:47, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you and the same to you Davey. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:33, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

--Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:39, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you RedRose, may your boiler always be full of steam! Philafrenzy (talk) 15:39, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Philafrenzy. I wonder where you're going with List of public dispensaries. The definition at the top of the article says, in essence, 'out-patient facilities", of which there must be 10s of thousands across the world. The US examples listed are contemporary hospitals. The UK examples listed are historic dispensaries, long since merged into contemporary hospitals or closed. It's far from clear to me what your aim is. Would you care to clarify? thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 08:27, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it's a list of public dispensaries. I hesitate to say that it has an historic focus as there are undoubtedly many that still operate but there certainly are numerous historic dispensaries that can be added. Such list articles provide an overview and an incoming link and operate in a way that categories don't as I am sure you know. I think the U.S. examples all had origins in public dispensaries but feel free to remove any you feel don't belong. Inevitably there is some overlap here. I will add more later as the articles are created. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:58, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

So you are wanting things that are or were called 'dispensary', but not wanting, for instance, an out-patient department in a UK hospital which was not called a dispensary? And wanting only those with wikipedia articles, or all such things? --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:03, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

It is a matter of judgement in each case and there may be overlap but the Royal College of Physicians of Edinburgh, for instance, define a dispensary as providing "outpatient medical treatment and advice to patients, in contrast to the inpatient service provided by hospitals". So the focus is on organisations that provide primarily outpatient services, not primarily inpatient services. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:08, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

That is where the confusion for me arises. Many hospitals provide both out- and in- patient care; they might, for instance, dedicate more of the area of the hospital to in-patients, but see by volume more out-patients than in-patients. Sorry to keep on about it, but without a robust definition of scope, it's not easy to see what should & what should not be included. --Tagishsimon (talk) 09:12, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

I agree there is overlap so we can keep it to those that seem clear cases. e.g Surrey Dispensary. I don't mind if you remove some that you feel don't fit. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:14, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Can the historical dispensaries in London be a separate category? Whispyhistory (talk) 10:25, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

The term dispensary is in itself archaic in the UK so why not just Dispensaries in London as a sub-category of D's in the UK? You might need to create D's in England as an intermediate category. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:51, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

I like "Dispensaries in London". The Aldersgate one looks interesting, but I'm not too good at doing buildings. I think @Edwardx: might have a look too. St Martins was branch of the Warwick lane one. Thankyou. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:16, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi, can you help with Rose case. The title is in italics. I don't know how I did that. The final verdict in original sources is 1703. I checked with someone from the Apothecaries and received this reply "You are correct about 1703 rather than 1704 being the date but it is explained by:To unambiguously specify a date, dual dating or Old Style and New Style dates are sometimes used. Dual dating gives two consecutive years for a given date because of differences in the starting date of the year or to give both the Julian and the Gregorian dates. The "Old Style" (O.S.) and "New Style" (N.S.) notations indicate either that the start of the Julian year has (or has not) been adjusted to start on 1 January (even though documents written at the time use a different start of year), or that a date conforms to the (old) Julian calendar rather than the (new) Gregorian.".....interestingly the reply appears to come from wikipedia. My sandbox was messy...hence I did it like I did. Whispyhistory (talk) 20:41, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations, it's an impressive article. I think the italics are because it is a legal case and you are using that infobox but you are not currently using the full case name of Rose v Royal College of Physicians. You might have to move it. Are you intending to DYK it? Amusing circularity in the Wikipedia sourcing on the dates. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:21, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Easily fixed. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:36, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

What about a move to the case title? (italicised) Are law cases always known by their legal titles? Philafrenzy (talk) 23:40, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you @Philafrenzy: and @Redrose64:.

• The common name for the case is the "Rose case". Does that matter?
• It starts with Rose vs RCP but ends with Society of Apothecaries vs RCP.
• I can dyk it. Maybe you can help here too.
• I found landmark court case examples. They are all in italics including The Moorcock and Bushel's Case.

I moved it to the proper legal name as most are in that form. It also gives the article a lot more weight IMHO and makes it obvious what it is about. You can still talk about the Rose Case within the article for short. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:04, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

• I found this category "Category:Public dispensaries". We did some dispensary articles previously eg Surrey Dispensary. Do they go here? Alternatively, can there be a category for London dispensaries or UK dispensaries? Or a page for list of London dispensaries. Whispyhistory (talk) 05:49, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Started List of public dispensaries. There are probably 100s missing. Can you do them before lunch please? Philafrenzy (talk) 07:44, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

😆 It looks good. London had many particularly Warwick lane dispensary, St Martin's lane [1].Whispyhistory (talk) 07:48, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Please use your expertise in hookiness to sort this Rose v Royal College of Physicians. Whispyhistory (talk) 20:40, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. One request...practice and practise is all muddled in the article. Whispyhistory (talk) 09:22, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

It's British spelling in that one so change as necessary (unless in a quote). There are other deficiencies too, such as the captions to the images which are poorly formatted. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:26, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

What is the relevance of the disgruntled physician? Is it in any of the sources with commentary? That Apothecaries Hall is not 1805 and has a notable artist. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:09, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

sorry, removed. You did a good job with images. Thank you Whispyhistory (talk) 11:22, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, fix the hall please. The artist details are in Commons. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:24, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Don't think RCP were in Pall Mall at the time? And can't find that image in Old and New London. Changed it pro tem. (John Seale gets around) Philafrenzy (talk) 13:32, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

RCP building burnt down in 1666 and they moved to Warwick Lane, then moved to Pall Mall around 1825ish. Thanks for noticing. Whispyhistory (talk) 17:15, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Can you get "The Doctor and the Buccaneer: Hans Sloane's Case History of Henry Morgan." Journal of the History of Medicine 41 (1986): 76–87. For Fulke? Philafrenzy (talk) 22:53, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Got it https://www.jstor.org/stable/24633817 p. 85. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:08, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

[2]. Can you get image or add to Singh? Whispyhistory (talk) 23:09, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Link doesn't work. Millipede and oil of scorpion fed to a pirate is a killer hook for Rose. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:16, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:32, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Happy new year.

• Arlene Hirschfeld had 2 reviews. Does it count as 2 QPQ's. If so, there are a couple I did like this.
• Can you check Manmohan Singh (pilot) please? Whispyhistory (talk) 10:40, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Happy new year. As far as I know, Hirschfield and the house only counts as one review as it is one nomination even though it covers two articles. I have seen them with five or more linked new articles in the same hook but it would be a brave reviewer who took on one like that. I will look at Singh in more detail later. You might be right about that Nicholl merchant but my book says the house was built for him after our article says he died. Needs more research. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:21, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks...I think Manmohan Singh should be Man Mohan Singh. He signed his name Man Mohan Singh. The Australian website wrote it as Manmohan. Whispyhistory (talk) 10:07, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Done, the 1930 newspaper article had it Man Mohan Singh. Great article. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:32, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

OMG..you did some amazing editing. Thank you. Feel free to alter hooks if need. I did really like this story. He is still talked about at Croydon Airpot. Whispyhistory (talk) 11:30, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Nice link on Stag Lane. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:52, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

There's a possible joke hook about missing India but perhaps he deserves better. This, however, could be in the article or even the basis for a hook. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:10, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Add another ALT if wish. I think he enjoyed joking about it. Should proposed hook be simpler eg MMS flew Miss India form Croydon to Karachi alone? Whispyhistory (talk) 16:15, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I have been following you since the RfA happened. Just wanted to drop by and convey my regards - you're an immensely prolific creator. How do you get the time? You are definitely an inspirational Wikipedian to me. Csgir (talk) 12:32, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Csgir! It just becomes a habit I suppose. You can create a long stub or a start level article every day by spotting something in a book or newspaper, creating a stub in the morning, adding a bit at lunchtime, and a bit more in the evening. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:12, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

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Hi..Can you help here please; Christian Cabrol.

• image
• check political section
• I used medical person infobox. Is that correct or should it be officeholder? thank you Kindly Whispyhistory (talk) 17:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Trying to finish Fulke Rose first. Philafrenzy (talk) 19:16, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Whispyhistory (talk) 20:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Eligible for a 5x expansion DYK from 3 Jan as I expect you know. Will do more later. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:33, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Still needs a lot of work..I'll work on it.Whispyhistory (talk) 18:31, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

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HI...P.Hugh-Jones is notable....coined type 1, 2 and J diabetes. J is for Jamaica. His article on it 1955 is way ahead of its time. Can you create it? If I may please, request a search for an image on Herbert Seddon. I'll review the article. He saw to Churchill and you may have an alternative hook for this. Whispyhistory (talk) 19:33, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. The University College Jamaica is very interesting. I once worked there too. Whispyhistory (talk) 21:06, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Did you deliver any babies? Were they the descendants of our recent article subjects perhaps? Philafrenzy (talk) 21:14, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

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