Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allen Academy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Cirt (talk) 09:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Allen Academy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log • AfD statistics)

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Unnotable private school. Fails WP:N and WP:ORG. Prod removed with note of "Contest WP:PROD - deletion of high school articles is controversial, so shouldn't be done without discussion." Per Wikipedia policy nothing is "inherently notable" nor is anything notable without actual significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources which this school does not have. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:35, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I would note that I am sure that the nominator, whatever her own opinions about "inherent notability", knows full well that deletion of articles about high schools is controversial, which disqualifies them from deletion via WP:PROD. These searches eliminate most of the false positives found by the automatically generated ones above: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. I would invite the nominator to look through the 647 books and 383 news articles found and then explain how this doesn't have "actual significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources". Phil Bridger (talk) 18:33, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of articles about high schools is only controversial to the handful of people who continue to falsely claim they are inherently notable. That does not disqualify them for prodding, as disputing a prod on a single article is done per article, not some random made up thing. I'd also invite the Phil to show that the claimed sources are actually about THIS specific Allen Academy and not any of the many other schools of the same name. Further, please remember that Google web results are not notable. A bunch of local news articles about the sports scores is not significant coverage nor does it incur notability. Listings in directories are not significant coverage. One of the book's is a brief mention from the late 1800s noting its existence is from the Texas Department of Education. The rest are side mentions. Again, please actually point to specific, significant coverage rather than trying to claim "look, I see lots of results on Google but didn't actually look at any of them" -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:47, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Let's please try to keep this AfD on-topic. This discussion is more suited for the already-open discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies)#All High Schools Notable? GUIDELINE DEBATE. This AfD discussion is for discussing the potential for deletion of this article and is not to be generalized to all schools. Shirik (talk) 19:06, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did look at the sources. Did you? And I provided links to searches that restrict them to this Allen Academy. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Phil Bridger's sources. this find is of particular interest. --Shirik (talk) 19:08, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  Point of order I would like to identify that I may have a conflict of interest on this deletion debate as a user who has participated in the guideline discussion referenced above advocating the strong likelihood, but not inherent notability of high schools. I ask the closer to consider this conflict of interest when weighing my !vote. --Shirik (talk) 19:10, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  How is a mention in an image caption a sign of notability? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  The fact that an independent, historical guide contains content about this school implies there is some relevance to this school to me. How deep that goes requires further investigation, but there is evidence to warrant further looking. Not to mention I don't believe that is an image caption, though I could be wrong. --Shirik (talk) 19:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - contains a high school, long history, sources are available. TerriersFan (talk) 19:48, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —TerriersFan (talk) 19:50, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. All high schools are notable. I added some references, which should demonstrate notability even to those who disagree with the inherent notability of high schools. It would be helpful if nominators would search for references before nominating articles for deletion. - Eastmain (talk) 01:26, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: per Phil Bridger's sources. - Ret.Prof (talk) 22:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.