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October 7

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Category:Kings of Provence

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:04, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per contemporary name of the kingdom, see Kingdom of Provence redirecting to Lower Burgundy. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nibelungid dynasty

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:03, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, this is a minor cadet branch of the Pippinid dynasty with only the founder of the branch categorized. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:03, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pippinids

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:03, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge as this gives a strong impression that the two categories have an identical scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:59, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Arnulfings

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:02, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge as the two dynasties were strongly intertwined, article Arnulfings redirects to Pippinids. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Hanoverian Waterloo Medal

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:11, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Campaign medals are not significantly defining awards, they are broadly distributed to armies for participation in campaigns. EricSerge (talk) 17:18, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also add Category:Recipients of the Waterloo Medal. EricSerge (talk) 20:53, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've tagged that category and added it to the list above. DexDor (talk) 18:01, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I think that the Nominator's rationale is mistaken in this case. The campaign was of limited scope and in both cases they are notable as the first campaign medals that either country issued. They were only issued to officers and men who fought at one or more of the battles Ligny (16 June 1815), Quatre Bras (16 June), or Waterloo (18 June), so they were not campaign medals in the more modern sense of the word (eg those members of the Allied reserve army posted to Halle or to garrison duties in Brussels on June 18 were not entitled to it even if they were part of the army that went to Paris). Also because it is the first one no others were issued during the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic wars as this was the last campaign of the wars. The British Army would not be involved in another major war until the Crimea so the issuing of these particular campaign medals were notable at the time and since. At a practical level only biographies of notable people who fought for the British at Quatre Bras or Waterloo were granted the medal and it is a useful way to navigate between notable biographies of those who fought in the campaign. -- PBS (talk) 14:56, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. We have categories such as Category:British Army personnel of the Napoleonic Wars and don't need medal-based categories as well. That a piece of information is important enough to be mentioned in an article does not necessarily mean it's a good way to categorize pages. Note: The Hanovarian category currently contains only one valid article (about a recipient). DexDor (talk) 17:57, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Both of these are "participation" medals given to every soldier per the articles. That doesn't seem defining. RevelationDirect (talk) 20:56, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I am sorry but what does "That doesn't seem defining" mean? -- PBS (talk) 13:19, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Looking at articles in these categories it appears that (as I would expect) the articles introduce the person with something like "General Foobar was a British Officer during the Napoleonic Wars" and include a list of medals/honours received in the text of the article. See Denis Pack for a good example. Few, if any, of these articles begin with something like "General Foobar was a winner of ... medal." (which would be much less meaningful to most readers). Note also that "<Country> personnel of <War>" categories provide better navigation to categories for other countries/wars than do "Recipients of <medal>" categories. DexDor (talk) 21:59, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • If you click through the articles, some are notable because they were soldiers during the Napoleonic Wars and some weren't. Of the ones I saw that were notable as soldiers, they article mentioned the award only in passing, if it all, usually with other medals. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:12, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- I would not seek to argue to keep campaign medal from later wars, but I think that they are not routinely awarded at that period, so that this will not generate significant category clutter. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:32, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete We should not keep campaign medals for any wars. The people are already categorized based on the war, the campaign medal just leads to more category clutter.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:34, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I too would usually not keep categories for campaign medals, but I think the Waterloo Medals are a different case, as they (a) hold an important place in the history of British medals, and (b) categorise those who fought in one of the most significant battles in world history. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:11, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Victims of cyberbullying

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename, but there seems to be consensus that the definition may need to be tightened up, or perhaps an alternate rename might be appropriate. So this is without prejudice to other proposals or changes being made. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:14, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "victims of cyberbulling" is extremely widespread and subjective. Every week we hear about people closing their twitter account because of abuse. 42% of kids said they've been bullied online.[1] Not a defining characteristic. Rename to Category:Cyberbullicide, which is defining and unambiguous. JudgeJason (talk) 14:10, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WP:NEOLOGISM and Cyberbullicide is a redlink. Suggest splitting to Category:Suicide attributed to cyberbullying instead, as that is descriptive without being WP:JARGONous; the category description does not indicate that this is a suicide-only category, so the proposed name also doesn't match the current scope. Further, we only categorize by this when the instances of cyberbullying are notable and defining characteristics of the people indicated. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 04:14, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose rename (per IP). Either delete (after checking that all the articles are in other suitable categories) or make the inclusion criteria much tighter (e.g. "This category is for articles about people who are notable for being...") - otherwise this category could end up being used to tag every politician, celebrity etc who's ever been attacked by Twitter trolls etc (see WP:DNWAUC).
Being a victim of cyberbullying is not itself sufficient to make a person notable. If the person became notable as an advocate against cyberbullying then they should be categorized on that basis. If an article is about a person who committed suicide then it's better to categorize by less subjective characteristics (e.g. Category:High school students who committed suicide and Suicides-in-<place> categories) as cyberbullying may have been just one of the factors that led to the suicide (note: the media may concentrate on the cyberbullying aspects of a case rather than those aspects that are harder to investigate/report that may be equally/more relevant). Note: There can also be lists. DexDor (talk) 18:11, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dental crowns and bridges

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The result of the discussion was: wrong venue this is an article in the wrong space. JudgeJason (talk) 14:43, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Article that has been mistakenly created in the Category: space. As an article, it largely duplicates the content of Crown (dentistry) and Bridge (dentistry). WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:48, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Garage door opener manufacturers

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:16, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT
Currently, there are only 2 articles in this category with limited opportunity for growth because the industry is very concentrated. This scope expansion gets us up to 5 articles which is a more viable category to aid navigation. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:40, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Notified Andros 1337 as the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Home Living. – RevelationDirect (talk) 02:40, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Albums by gold certification

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The result of the discussion was: delete. There is a problem, however, with not dealing with all the certifications from a particular country at once. These categories are not generally added manually but rather are applied by application of Template:Certification Table Entry. In the template, the country is specified as well as the level of certification, and that adds the article to an appropriate category. The problem is, it's not easy to turn of the category application for gold certifications for all countries but not turn it off for other certifications of all countries. (It may be possible, but I don't know how to do it.) It is easy to turn off all category application for a particular country's certifications. For that reason, these particular categories might just have to remain as "red-linked categories" on the articles until/unless all the certifications for any particular country are deleted. Thus, despite the challenges with nominating whole country trees at once, it might be a better idea to do so if we want the articles to be actually removed from the categories sooner rather than later. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:52, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
long list of similar categories
Nominator's rationale: Based on Australia single certifications, this discussion and Musiikkituottajat, these designatations are WP:NON-DEFINING characteristics for the albums. Ricky81682 (talk) 00:52, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just these for now. The prior listings were by certifying agency which caused some issues (with the Canadian one voted keep) as people called it biased. Next, I'll probably list the whole category as a whole if there's consensus to that. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:07, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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