Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 22

July 22

Category:Muslim Kolis

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:10, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Muslim Kolis (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, Koli people is an ethnicity so you would expect biographies in this category, but there aren't any. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Category:Koli people needs to be split into biographies (e.g. Parshottambhai Solanki) and other articles (e.g. Koli Christians). –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Overly specific. Orientls (talk) 13:53, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ancient peoples of France

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:09, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Ancient peoples of France to Category:Ancient peoples in Gaul
Propose renaming Category:Tribes of pre-Roman Gaul to Category:Tribes in pre-Roman Gaul

Nominator's rationale: "France" didn't exist yet until 987, and the category includes peoples/tribes who dwelled in areas outside the borders of modern France such as the Menapii (northern Belgium / southern Netherlands) and the Vangiones (southwestern Germany). Also, "in" is a better preposition than "of", compare the only item in the category Greeks in pre-Roman Gaul as well as siblings Category:Ancient tribes in the Balkans‎, Category:Ancient tribes in Greece, Category:Ancient tribes in Hungary (perhaps rename that one to "Pannonia" as well?). While we're at it, we might as well rename its child as well. Parent Category:French people by period should be purged, because that is in the Peoply by nationality tree, and there is no "French nationality" before there is a French state in 987. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:59, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For sure "France" should be replaced by "Gaul", in order to solve anachronism. I do not have a preference between "in" and "of". Marcocapelle (talk) 20:38, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think "of" suggests ownership, or that said peoples were somehow "subjects" of said country, which is another way of misapplying the modern nationality concept to pre-modern times. I think we are interested in location: where did these people live? Not what their legal relationship with said country was. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:03, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. They were in Gaul, not of Gaul. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:01, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Taxa named by Henry Charles Andrews

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:10, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Taxa named by Henry Charles Andrews to Category:Taxa named by Henry Cranke Andrews

Nominator's rationale: Categories refer to the same person. The lead of Henry Cranke Andrews explains that this person's middle name was long thought to be Charles, hence the confusion. Vahurzpu (talk) 16:56, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Taxa named by Hugo Fleury Donzel

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:10, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Taxa named by Hugo Fleury Donzel to Category:Taxa named by Hugues-Fleury Donzel

Nominator's rationale: Categories refer to the same person. Merge target incorporates the current name of the person's article. Vahurzpu (talk) 16:54, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Taxa named by Yngve Sjöstedt

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:10, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Taxa named by Yngve Sjöstedt to Category:Taxa named by Bror Yngve Sjöstedt

Nominator's rationale: Categories refer to the same person. Merge target incorporates the current name of the person's article. Vahurzpu (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Taxa named by Valery Konstantinovich Jeremčenko

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:10, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Taxa named by Valery Konstantinovich Jeremčenko to Category:Taxa named by Valery Konstantinovich Eremchenko

Nominator's rationale: Categories refer to the same person. I couldn't find the "Jeremčenko" transliteration elsewhere with a cursory search, but this obituary uses the "Eremchenko" transliteration. Vahurzpu (talk) 16:51, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Taxa named by Konrad H. Christ

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:10, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Taxa named by Konrad H. Christ to Category:Taxa named by Hermann Christ

Nominator's rationale: Categories refer to the same person. Merge target incorporates the current name of the person's article. Vahurzpu (talk) 16:48, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Fooian American

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 30#Fooian American

Category:Celtic clans

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:11, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Celtic clans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose moving Sept to Category:Scottish clans and Category:Irish clans

Nominator's rationale: WP:OR WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:CROSSCAT. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lists of Celtic clans and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 22#Category:Lists of modern Indo-European tribes and clans for more information. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, neither Scottish nor Irish clans are Celtic clans per se, due to a lot of immigration and assimilation in the course of history. Note that the three articles should be moved to one of the subcategories (or both) before deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. 2 of them are already in Scottish clans, Sept should be moved to both. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:38, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PS: The page Sept is all they seem to have in common, but irony has it that sept is a Germanic word, cognate of Sippe (German), sibbe (Dutch) and sibling (English), not "Celtic". Funny that. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:40, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:German chronicles

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:15, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:German chronicles to Category:Chronicles about the Holy Roman Empire

Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Category:German chroniclers being Merged into Category:Chroniclers from the Holy Roman Empire (19 July). Take no. #2 after first attempt closed as no consensus on 18 July due to too many options (my mistake as nom). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcocapelle: You first suggested this as an Alt rename in the previous CfR. Do you still support it? I was hesitant, but now I agree. :) Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support for sure, Holy Roman Empire is much more used than Germany when it is about history until 1806. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:38, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yay! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- - - The Holy Roman Empire also covered areas of the Low Countries and the Italian Peninsula. The suggested scope is much wider than the German-speaking areas. Dimadick (talk) 20:12, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      - And Austria (German speaking) and Bohemia (then party German speaking). Marcocapelle (talk) 20:28, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
        Indeed. The scope was never limited to "German-speaking areas" (if we mean chronicles written in German, that's a different category: Category:German-language chronicles); it was so far just "Germany" within its modern borders projected back into the past, but we are broadening that now to encompass the entire Holy Roman Empire. The related category Category:Chroniclers from the Holy Roman Empire was originally actually limited to "Belgium" within its modern borders projected back into the past, but then also expanded to the whole HRE. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:45, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Books about Charles Maurras

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 30#Category:Books about Charles Maurras

Category:Comorian nurses

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:16, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Comorian nurses to Category:Nurses

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 17:35, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just delete after I added the only article to Category:Swiss nurses. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this gets to the notion of what the Category:Nurses by nationality inclusion criteria are. Is the criteria based on the birth location of the nurse or the working/living location of the nurse? This is currently not a defined matter, though it might be tacitly settled. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:16, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 14:56, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ceyockey: it can be both. Personally I find the latter more useful, but other editors are more interested in place of birth. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:12, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lists of modern Indo-European tribes and clans

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The result of the discussion was: manual upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:59, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose upmerging + purging Category:Lists of modern Indo-European tribes and clans to Category:Lists of ethnic groups
Propose upmerging + purging Category:Lists of ancient Indo-European peoples and tribes to Category:Lists of ethnic groups

Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:CROSSCAT WP:OR. This mixes up language families and geography (countries/regions), as well as past and present. E.g. Tribes of Montenegro (Slavic, Albanian, or 'Vlach'), List of Scottish clans (Scottish Gaelic, Scots, or English) and List of Irish clans (Gaelic, or English) appear to be based on a specific country or region (Category:Irish clans is a child of Category:Culture of Ireland; Category:Scottish clans is a child of Category:Social history of Scotland): anyone counts, no matter what language they speak/spoke.

On the other hand, Albanian tribes is apparently primarily based on language, not geography ("in Albania and the southwestern Balkans"... "Some of the tribes are considered extinct because no collective memory of descent has survived (i.e. Mataruga, Rogami etc.) while others became slavicised very early on and the majority of the descendants no longer consider themselves Albanian (i.e. Kuči, Mahine etc.).") So too for most other items in this arbitrarycat, like Kurdish tribes who are divided across many countries and territories and only seem to share a language (family).

Moreover, the category claims to be about "modern" clans and tribes, but most contents are about "historical" tribes and clans which no longer exist. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Nomination amended, "ancient" added per agreement with Marcocapelle. "Clans" and other items which aren't "ethnic groups/tribes/peoples", and items which are not "lists", should be purged. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:13, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle, per nom, this is a very confusing category. But we can still merge this to parent Category:Lists of ethnic groups instead of deleting it. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmmm possibly, that might not be a bad idea. If we Upmerge, then I would purge Lists of Celtic clans, List of Irish clans, and List of Scottish clans (clans are not "ethnic groups"), and Gurchani (not a "list"). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:47, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps also Upmerge & Purge Category:Lists of ancient Indo-European peoples and tribes in that case? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:48, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If ancient, for sure. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle Updated, thanks for your helpful feedback! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:14, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Germanic people

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 30#Category:Germanic people

Category:15th-century Turkic women

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge all to Category:15th-century women, etc. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:17, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:15th-century Turkic women (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:14th-century Turkic women (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:13th-century Turkic women (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:12th-century Turkic women (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:11th-century Turkic women (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:8th-century Turkic women (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Turkic women (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to CfD "16th-century Turkic women" (Deleted yesterday). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:25, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom, but before deletion we should make sure that the articles stay in the tree of Category:15th-century women etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:33, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's actually a good point; the biographies aren't otherwise contained in the women by century tree at the moment. So we would have to Upmerge them all to their grandparents, because parent Xth-century women by nationality is a useless containercat for our purposes here. So I guess Upmerge all to Xth-century women? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:27, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- A number of articles is in that tree anyway, so it should be a manual merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  Ok, then I support a Manual upmerge all to Xth-century women. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:13, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Celtic American

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:17, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Celtic American (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT WP:CROSSCAT of language families, countries/regions and nationalities. Follow-up to CfD "Celtic culture by country" (Deleted yesterday), "Celtic women" rename & purge (people after 500 CE are no longer called "Celts/Celtic") (27 June 2023), "Chilean people of Germanic descent" (Deleted 7 May 2023), "People of Germanic descent") (Deleted 16 May 2023), and the total deletion of the "People by language family of descent" tree (Deleted 2 June 2023). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:20, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Scots aren't Celts per se, due to a lot of immigration and assimilation in the course of history, and the same applies to every other subcategory in this tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:36, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Celtic warfare

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:18, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Celtic warfare to Category:Ancient Celtic warfare

Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to "Celtic women" being renamed to Category:Ancient Celtic women (matching Ancient Celtic women). Per category description: Category for topics on ancient Celtic warfare. For medieval Gaelic warfare, see Gaelic warfare. I've already boldy renamed main article Celtic warfare to Ancient Celtic warfare. As the article indicates, Celtic/Gallic culture assimilated into Roman culture after 50 BCE, but Gaelic warfare was a medieval continuation in Ireland and Britain (and the category description also already said that). Recent precedents confirm "Ancient Celts/Celtic". Compare Early Germanic warfare. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:41, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rename, per actual content. In antiquity Celts could clearly be distinguished as an ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Moldovan Ministers of the Interior

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 30#Category:Moldovan Ministers of the Interior

Category:Temples in Anga Region

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 30#Category:Temples in Anga Region

Category:5th-century women rulers

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The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:05, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:5th-century women rulers to...
- Category:5th-century women monarchs: Mavia (queen) (queen regnant), Tin Hinan (queen regnant), Iitoyo (empress regnant)
- Category:5th-century women regents: Empress Dowager Feng, Iitoyo, Galla Placidia, Prabhavatigupta, Wang Zhenfeng
- Category:5th-century queens consort: Denag, Prabhavatigupta, Dhruvadevi, Basina of Thuringia, Menia, Caretene (could be further expanded with some Category:Burgundian queens consort), Clotilde (could be further expanded with some Category:Frankish queens consort), Galla Placidia (could be further expanded with some Category:Visigothic queens consort).
- Category:5th-century empresses consort: Pulcheria‎, Empress Dowager Feng, Galla Placidia, ALL Category:Liu Song empresses (including Wang Zhenfeng, Sima Maoying, Jiang Jiangui, Empress Lu (Liu Song dynasty))

Nominator's rationale: This better describes the lives of these ancient women. Follow-up to 2nd-century BC women rulers (Split), 3rd-century BC women rulers (Split), and 4th-century BC women rulers (Split). See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 22#Category:3rd-century women rulers for why "women monarchs" should be grouped. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 11:21, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closer: Apparently I can't make a CfD template identify 4 targets instead of 2, but I'm proposing to split this category into 4 new categories, not 2. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 11:22, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Split per nom. Is Category:5th-century women monarchs clear enough or should it become e.g. Category:5th-century women monarchs (regnant)? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It should be clear enough. The terms queen regnant and empress regnant have got a very specific meaning and history in the English language, derived from the French custom of putting the adjective behind a noun in certain cases (compare heir presumptive, heir apparent, lords spiritual, lords temporal, governors-general etc.; that last one also exists in Dutch of course). We can't self-invent our own [noun adjective] combos like monarchs regnant; if you google that, you'll see nobody uses it. On the other hand women monarchs is quite widely used, apparently since the mid-20th century. It would also be redundant, because monarchs are by definition regnant, and queens consort are by definition not monarchs. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:38, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Dutch queens consort

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:24, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Dutch queens consort to Category:Queens consort of the Netherlands – cat desc: Queens consort of Monarchs of the Netherlands.
Propose renaming Category:Cypriot queens consort to Category:Queens consort of Cyprus – cat desc: Queens consort of the Kingdom of Cyprus.
Propose renaming Category:Consorts of Thuringia to Category:Queens consort of Thuringia

Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Renaming Category:Dutch regents to Category:Regents of the Netherlands (yesterday). Also per the Monarchs of Foo principle (Suggestion B) precedents, including Category:Cypriot monarchs being renamed to Category:Monarchs of Cyprus (13 June 2023), and recent Queens consort of Foo precedents such as Category:Queens consort of Bosnia (12 July 2023‎). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 11:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to reduce ambiguity. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:56, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mauryan empresses

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:24, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Mauryan empresses to Category:Mauryan empresses consort

Nominator's rationale: More WP:CATSPECIFIC. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:39, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:4th-century women rulers

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The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:25, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:4th-century women rulers to...

Nominator's rationale: This better describes the lives of these ancient women. There are no empresses regnant in this group. Some were both empresses consort and women regents (in that order, as is common throughout human history). Sofya of Axum and Zarmandukht were both queens consort first and later women regents, but 2 people is not enough for a queens consort by century category, so they have been put in Category:Ancient queens consort. Follow-up to 2nd-century BC women rulers (Split), 3rd-century BC women rulers (Split), and 4th-century BC women rulers (Split). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closer: Apparently I can't make a CfD template identify 3 targets instead of 2, but I'm proposing to split this category into 3 new categories, not 2. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:57, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Split per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:40, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wives of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Wives of Pahlavi Shahs. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Wives of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. More generally, I'm wondering whether parent categories Category:Wives of Iranian Shahs by person and Category:Wives of Pahlavi Shahs both suffer as parents of only WP:SMALLCAT categories, and whether all their subcats should be deleted or merged upwards. Could overall be a matter of WP:Overcategorization. Largoplazo (talk) 09:27, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it's certainly a case of overcategorisation. I yesterday nominated some related cats which were also created a few days ago, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 July 21#Category:Persian queens consort. I'm not sure if Deletion is the best option here though. Maybe merge with Category:Iranian queens? What does @Marcocapelle think? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For as long as Category:Wives of Pahlavi Shahs exists, that is the first merge target. If all three are nominated, Category:Iranian queens becomes the next merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, then Merge to Category:Wives of Pahlavi Shahs. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:15, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:3rd-century women rulers

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The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:3rd-century women rulers to Category:3rd-century women monarchs and Category:3rd-century empresses consort
Propose purging non-consort Augustae: Julia Maesa and Julia Avita Mamaea

Nominator's rationale: Background discussion / rationale Nederlandse Leeuw & Marcocapelle here. TL;DR: Unlike in earlier cases, @Marcocapelle and I decided to combine "queens regnant" and "empresses regnant" to "women monarchs" per ancestor Category:Women monarchs to prevent creating SMALLCATs. We also agreed to purge the non-consort Augustae (List of Augustae, Category:Augustae).

Women monarchs:
- (Queens regnant): Himiko, Lady Triệu, Toyo (queen), Zenobia (queen regnant of Egypt, 270–272)
- (Empresses regnant): Empress Jingū (201–269), Victoria (Gallic Empire) (empress regnant of Gallic Empire), Zenobia (empress regnant of Palmyrene Empire, 272)
Empresses consort: Empress Jingū (192–200), Herennia Etruscilla (Roman empress consort), Jia Nanfeng (Chinese empress consort), Julia Soaemias (Roman empress consort), Ulpia Severina (Roman empress consort). We could further populate this category with Category:Three Kingdoms empresses and other cats and items.

Follow-up to 2nd-century BC women rulers (Split), 3rd-century BC women rulers (Split), and 4th-century BC women rulers (Split). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 09:25, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Split per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:43, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Iranic folklore

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:25, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Iranic folklore (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. No need to merge, the subcategory is already in Category:Asian folklore. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:48, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Indo-European folklore

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The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose splitting Category:Indo-European folklore to Category:European folklore and Category:Asian folklore

Nominator's rationale: split, trivial intersection, there is insufficient commonality in folklore between peoples who speak an Indo-European language. The three remaining "Indo-European" subcategories should be moved to Category:Indo-European culture. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:48, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Split per nom. There is still a lot wrong with Category:Indo-European culture, but that's stuff for a future follow-up. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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