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Category:People pardoned by John Adams

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Each of the categories nominated has only one or two entries. pbp 16:49, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I like it the way it is bc (1) it makes the parent cat of presidential pardons tidier and navigable, and (2) it makes the presidents' cats more informative bc pardons is one of their constitutionally defined duties/privileges (along w naming judges etc). But whatever the community wants is cool, no big deal either way. jengod (talk) 17:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No consensus between keep and upmerge, but there is agreement that the categories are defining.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:36, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Just wanted to respond to the comment above that "People in these categories do not really have something in common, except they were just lucky." (not to pick on the OP specifically at all it just got me thinking and I wanted to respond) I don't have a strong background in the political science of American presidential pardons but would not say that "lucky" necessarily applies to these people. Many or most of these pardons had some political significance. In some cases it appears to be corrupt. In other cases it's simply very much topical to a president or political party's position on some issue, or just a relic of a certain phase of American history. Just from doing the sort, it's evident that pardons for the Fries' Rebellion, or the Alien and Sedition Act, or for being a Confederate cabinet officer, or for Mormon polygamy, or for "socialist agitation", or for Iran Contra either all had very intentional political impacts or were intended to be a message. The one I know best is Fontaine H. Pettis (bc I wrote it), who is so far a singleton in his category. It's not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he was pardoned by Andrew Jackson for political rather than purely moral or ethical reasons but his brother was a Congressman and the year after he was pardoned, his brother and a relative of Nicholas Biddle got into a dispute related to the Bank War and ending up dueling each other to the death. All of which is to say, I would argue that it's more defining that he was pardoned by a specific president (Jackson) than that he was presidentially pardoned as opposed to gubernatorially pardoned or what have you. Anyway. That's my 2¢. carry on! jengod (talk) 23:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Meigs family

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The result of the discussion was: purge of non-biographies. As always, if there are concerns about individual biographies left in the category, that can be discussed at the talk page / through WP:BRD / etc. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Purge and possibly delete. A lot of the contents of this category seem to just share a common name rather than being closely related to Jonathan Meigs and Elizabeth Hamlin Meigs. SMasonGarrison 14:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you actually read the articles and go through the references you they are the same family. There are many other family categories that are similar, not sure what the angle is here? Nayyn (talk) 14:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you go through the history of these individuals they are of the same family and the locations are named after members of the same family. There are many other similar family categories such as this. I'm not sure what the angle is to delete or rename? If the category is not prominent enough, then why not AdD all of the members of the family for which it relates. Nayyn (talk) 15:00, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My angel here is that this category includes everything with the word "Meigs" in it. SMasonGarrison 16:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thats not the case. This is not a container for everything with the name. I took the time to be mindful to include only those that are connected.
Oppose. Nayyn (talk) 23:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There are contradictory judgments on which articles are related to the Meigs family.
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Oppose renaming: We didn't have a statement or citation to this effect (altho we do now) but it looks like Camp Meigs was named in honor of Montgomery C. Meigs. Similarly Meigs County, Ohio is named for Return J. Meigs Jr. So purging placenames is one option, or we could create a subcategory, Category:Places named for members of the Meigs family. In addition to the placenames, FWIW, there also appears to also be a disease and a redlinked invention named for a family member. All that said, I personally think this category is in line with similar family categories--ships and houses named after people, namesake military operations, namesake philanthropic projects are often included--and doesn't need to be changed. jengod (talk) 23:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Purge everything except the biographies, Meigs Elevated Railway (which was invented by a member of the family), and possibly the Meigs Raid (led by a different family member). Based on the above comment by Marcocapelle. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pornographic actors who died by suicide

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I am honestly not sure why this was relisted; there is pretty clear consensus both numerically as well as the strength of arguments (all sources presented were rebutted) to delete this category. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between specific acting genre and cause of death. SMasonGarrison 14:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Serves these purposes for Category:Suicides by occupation
If Sucides by occupation is a relevant category than these subcategories are too. @Smasongarrison what about deleting that parent category then?
Nayyn (talk) 14:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please review Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. I think you would do well to make a case that this intersection is defining. SMasonGarrison 14:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, trivial intersection. Most sibling categories should go too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and to me this here should be speedily closed. There's an ongoing proposed deletion of the category "Suicides by occupation". This proposal (and the rest of them below) is moot; if "Suicides by occupation" is deleted then of course all of these should be too; if it's not deleted, then there's no reason to single out specific occupations for deletion. Besides, this intersection is far from trivial: [1], [2] Rkieferbaum (talk) 19:01, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok -- so there is a lot to unpack -- so you think this category should be kept as defining if the parent category is also kept? But that if the parent category isn't kept, you think this should be deleted? Am I reading you correctly? SMasonGarrison 20:01, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, pretty much. It’s quite simple, really: either it makes sense to have “suicides by occupation” or it doesn’t. I believe firmly that it does because the correlation between the two isn’t frivolous (it’s not like we have “suicides by hair color” or any such nonsense). If it does, then the category granularity should be defined by whether there are enough articles to populate that category. There’s no reason to be curating which occupations should or should not be categorized (provided, as I said, that “suicides by occupation” is kept). Rkieferbaum (talk) 22:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Your cites focus on mental health in pornographic actors, which isn't the same thing as a specific cause of death. SMasonGarrison 03:59, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You know suicide is essentially a mental health issue, right? Besides, from one of the links: "Lynn said she has deep concerns for today's porn performers. '(...) the actors of today, we lose a lot of them, because there's a lot of suicides, for many different reasons.'" I could go on and on... the topic could arguably have its own article. The intersection is far from trivial. Rkieferbaum (talk) 11:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If there was a well sourced article linking suicide and this profession, I would certainly reconsider. In my life I've heard the following cause suicide: listening to the wrong music, having an abortion, not having children, and not attending church. While I'm open to there being occupational hazzards, we also need to make sure we're not categorizing based on a moral panic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:36, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Suicide and mental health are related, but your references aren't making a case that that's sufficient for defining. I just don't see enough academic coverage for an article on suicide of pornographic film actors. SMasonGarrison 19:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Appears to be WP:TRIVIALCAT, since the intersection is not defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:36, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Churches in Pennsylvania built in 1894

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:1894 establishments in Pennsylvania. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: We don't categorize churches in the intersection of "date of completion" and "place". The lone entry in the category is already categorized in Category:Churches completed in 1894 and Category:Churches in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania as well as Category:Episcopal churches in Pennsylvania. I suspect that Category:Churches in Pennsylvania built in 1894 would never grow beyond the current one-item category. Pichpich (talk) 22:23, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Synagogues in India by century

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The result of the discussion was: full merge to parents; manual merge to Category:Synagogues in India (or a subcategory thereof). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, many 1-3 article categories, not helpful for navigation. Even Hindu temples in India haven't been diffused by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:48, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge also to Category:Synagogues in India, where they are not in a more specific subcategory. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: Are you okay with this additional merge? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Foreign nationals imprisoned in the Ottoman Empire

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, apart from Peter Heyling it is very much up to debate whether these people were really foreigners. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I would have appreciated that you'd notified me of this nomination, especially given how recently I created it. And arguably, the entire contents of Category:Prisoners of war held by the Ottoman Empire belongs as a child category. SMasonGarrison 17:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I still think this nomination was too hasty, because I created this category on 2024-12-24. I've already found several additional people who were imprisoned, including Mary Louise Graffam, Maria Fjodorovna Zibold, Edward Joris, and William Nosworthy Churchill. SMasonGarrison 21:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Marriage in anime and manga

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Every other media category within Category:Works about marriage follows the template "X about marriage". This category should be renamed to follow that precedent. ThanatosApprentice (talk) 20:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Returns from Troy

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The category was created today, and the creator doesn't seem to have done much to populate it. How is Hector in it (via the subcategory Category:Trojan Leaders)? How is the biggest returner in literature, Odysseus, not in it? Or Agamemnon? Conversely, the category is full of people who indeed (or in some story) left Troy after it had been sacked by the Greeks, but not to return anywhere. They were Trojans, they left to seek their fortunes, and the iconic example is Aeneas. I'm thinking maybe the cat was created in some way because of the article Returns from Troy, which the creator has listed as a member of the category. But I don't see how such a category is needed, or how it at all fits the population it currently has. The subcategory Category:Trojan Leaders in particular seems quite misplaced, as Trojan leaders had nowhere to return to, AFAIK. The creator, User:Erturkardaofficial, has been asked what the category is for, but has not replied, despite being present and editing. Hopefully they will comment here. Bishonen | tålk 20:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1910s Brazilian film stubs

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub categories with no evidence of approval by Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting. As always, stub categories are not free for just any user to create on a whim for a mere handful of articles -- the minimum size requirement for a dedicated stub category is 60 articles, so stub categories normally have to be approved for creation by the wikiproject. But none of this batch were approved, and none of them have 60 articles in them.
There are sibling categories for the 2000s and the 2010s which are over 60 articles, so I'm leaving them alone even though they technically also weren't approved -- there may be a case to be made that they don't need to exist either if the rest of these can't, but I'm not prepared to make that argument. These, however, each need at least 60 articles in them before they're warranted. Bearcat (talk) 18:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:British expatriates in colonial Nova Scotia

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:British emigrants to pre-Confederation Nova Scotia. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category that we really don't need. John Bazalgette's described as "army officer actively involved in the affairs of Nova Scotia ". It's unclear from the article how long he actually lived there. But he seems like a better fit for Colony of Nova Scotia people, imo. SMasonGarrison 18:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:British Honduras Legislative Assembly constituencies established in 1961

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:1961 establishments in British Honduras. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category is really isolated, do we really need to have a single category for just 1961? SMasonGarrison 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Going by the nonexistence of an article for the "British Honduras Legislative Assembly", we should merge only to the existing category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison: Thoughts? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with Laundry's suggestion. SMasonGarrison 04:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:British Honduras women activists

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 6#Category:British Honduras women activists

Category:Recipients of the National Prize of the German Democratic Republic

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The result of the discussion was: speedy deleted per G7. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: My fault. This category is redundant to Category:Recipients of the National Prize of East Germany. Grimes2 (talk) 18:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tyga compilation albums

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Tyga mixtape albums. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Sole entry is a redirect. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 16:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ian (rapper) mixtape albums

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Ian (rapper) albums. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. Category:Ian (rapper) albums is otherwise empty. Upmerge sole entry. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 16:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Members of the Australian House of Representatives by term

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 6#Members of the Australian House of Representatives by term

Category:Muntjac

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Most other taxon categories use either the scientific name (Muntiacus for this genus) or a plural common name. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Flash television shows

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 6#Category:Flash television shows

Category:Video game video content

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The are multiple concerns I have with this category: one the content being a bit of a mix bag of things, however I'm more concerned with the bizarre name for this category; I believe this current name is very unhelpful for most readers. Shouldn't the name of this category be "video game footage" or "recordings of video games" instead? The current name is honestly very off-putting and could be confused with any video on the internet related to video games; not just footage of gameplay which I clearly understand that that's what it's supposed to be for. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 06:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Works featuring video games

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I was going to nominate this category like a month ago but forgot all about it, but I'm doing it now. Anyway, this category has bizarre trait; and potentially non-defining. No other category has a trait similar to this one (___ featuring a type of work; whatever you actually mean by that). I'll leave up to you to share your opinions on whether or not this category should be deleted. If it deleted, where else where would we categorize the article DVP (song)? QuantumFoam66 (talk) 06:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Music commissioned by the Frankfurt Radio Symphony Orchestra

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The official English name is Frankfurt Radio Symphony. Grimes2 (talk) 01:47, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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