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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Horrid Henry characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: The only article in the category is already present in Category:Horrid Henry, and is not centric on the character themselves. Could be made into a "character redirects to list" category, but it does not seem like there are enough redirects for that. (Oinkers42) (talk) 22:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename. This does not qualify for C2D as the move was not a result of a RM. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:Nexter Systems to Category:KNDS France

Nominator's rationale: Consistency with article name per WP:C2D. Have moved article to match subject company's new legal name, effective 8 April 2024 (see KNDS_France#cite_note-14). Huntthetroll (talk) 22:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: This category should match the article, which more importantly matches the current (as of 2024) official name of the extant organization. I have also prepared a CfD on Commons to change it there as well. Josh (talk) 23:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:11, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:EstcatCountry — used with year parameter(s) equals year in page title (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:EstcatCountry — used on page without a year in the page title (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:EstcatCountry — used with year parameter(s) ≠ year in page title (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Tracking categories which are not actually used by the template in question, {{Establishment category in country}}. Delete. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as obsolete. These category names would have been populated by {{YearParamUsageCheck}} which was transcluded into {{EstcatCountry}} on 10 Nov 2018, but that was removed as part of the rewrite on 31 Aug 2019. – Fayenatic London 09:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Eiei-year — used with year parameter(s) ≠ year in page title (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Eiei-year — used on page without a year in the page title (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Propose deleting Category:Eiei-year — used with year parameter(s) equals year in page title (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: I originally nominated these categories for C2D per {{Educational institutions establishment category by year}}, but these categories are not used by that template. Delete 'em all. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as obsolete. These category names would have been populated by {{YearParamUsageCheck}} which was transcluded into {{Eiei-year}} from 16 Nov 2018, but that was removed as part of the rewrite on 26 May 2020. – Fayenatic London 09:54, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Included in this nomination are the following categories:

• Propose deleting Category:Nico Rosberg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

• Category:Kimi Räikkönen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Category:Max Verstappen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• Category:Sebastian Vettel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: These single-article (minus the eponymous article) Formula One driver eponymous categories are unnecessary per WP:OCEPON. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 05:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete all as the contents do not justify a category. – Fayenatic London 12:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, a link in the article text or in a See also section will suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 530s (1 C) to Category:530s establishments
• Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 540s‎ (1 C) to Category:540s establishments
• Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 560s‎ (1 C) to Category:560s establishments
• Propose manually merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 570s‎ (1 C, 1 P) to Category:570s establishments and Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 6th century
• Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures completed in the 580s‎ (1 C) to Category:580s establishments

Nominator's rationale: merge, in this period this is a redundant category layer with only occasional articles next to the religious buildings subcategory. The articles need to be moved manually because some of them are already in e.g. a fortifications by century subcategory or in an establishments by year subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. Template:Religious buildings and structures completed in year category header should be modified to use an Establishments parent rather than Buildings & structures before year 1000, cf. precedent. – Fayenatic London 19:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. ✗plicit 02:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:Old style serif typefaces to Category:Venetian serif typefaces and removing any articles that are already in both Category:Transitional serif typefaces and Category:Old style serif typefaces from the Category:Old style serif typefaces (as it's redundant).

Nominator's Rationale: In Vox-ATypI classification#Classicals, Old style serif typefaces can be categorized into 3 subclasses. All of these 3 subclasses has their own categories in French Wikipedia. However, only 2 out of 3 of those French Wikipedia categories has a corresponding category in English Wikipedia:

1. Venetian (fr:Catégorie:Police d'écriture humane, currently corresponding to Category:Old style serif typefaces)
2. Garalde (fr:Catégorie:Police d'écriture garalde, currently corresponding to newly-created Category:Garalde serif typefaces)
3. Transitional (fr:Catégorie:Police d'écriture réale, currently corresponding to Category:Transitional serif typefaces)

I suggest that the Category:Old style serif typefaces be renamed to Category:Venetian serif typefaces. Also, I proposes that any articles that are already in both Category:Transitional serif typefaces and Category:Old style serif typefaces be removed from the Category:Old style serif typefaces (as it's redundant).Jothefiredragon🐲talk🐉edits 04:57, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Blythwood: given your earlier contributions noted on the talk page, can you comment on this, please? I am not familiar with the topic, but I think your comment there implies that the nomination is correct. – Fayenatic London 11:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Keep – thanks for pinging me. Garalde and Venetian are sub-genres of old-style types, but they aren't all-encompassing. Designs like Trinité or Arno may not neatly fit into either genre (something the specimen comments on, see page 6). So I think "Old style serif typefaces" is worth retaining as a main category with Garalde and Venetian as subcategories. Blythwood (talk) 15:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  If we're keeping both Garalde and Venetian categories as subcategories of old-style serif typefaces, then I suggest that Category:Transitional serif typefaces be another subcategory of old-style serif typefaces as well. Jothefiredragon🐲talk🐉edits 17:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• There appears to be a consensus to split Category:Old style serif typefaces to new subcat Category:Venetian serif typefaces. @Blythwood, do you concur with Jothefiredragon's moving Transitional under Old style? – Fayenatic London 17:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hi, thanks for the ping. I wouldn't make that move because transitional types are (as the name suggests) in between old-style and Didone designs, they're a genre by themself; see the serif article for how it explains this. Happy to give more references and commentary if needed. Blythwood (talk) 17:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:History of Malaysia (1963–present). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:32, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:History of Malaysia since Independence to Category:Contemporary history of Malaysia

Nominator's rationale: rename per parent Category:Contemporary history by country that I just added. Else at least change "Independence" to "independence". Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling change - what might seem contemporary in some contexts may not be understood clearly as to the specific starting point is actually contemporary or not JarrahTree 08:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:History of Malaysia (1957–present). That matches most other categories in Category:Contemporary history by country. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @LaundryPizza03: we already have Category:History of Malaysia (1945–1963) so it is probably better to rename the nominated category to Category:History of Malaysia (1963–present). I do not have objections to this format. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This is a weirdly empty category (perhaps a wider look is needed at this whole tree), but 1963 is an easier date to start from given Category:History of Malaya would apply until that date. CMD (talk) 02:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any more comments on the alt rename?
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• For info, I have added decades as subcategories so that this category is now somewhat better populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Rename target still needs to be decided upon.
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• @JarrahTree and LaundryPizza03: what are your thoughts on Category:History of Malaysia (1963–present)? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Looking at both the Indonesian and Malaysian history timelines and the organisation of the periods of time, the suggested name with date-present is ok. JarrahTree 08:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Rename to Category:History of Malaysia (1963–present), like most others within Category:Contemporary history by country. Alternatively, Category:History of Malaysia since 1963 has at least a couple of precedents among those siblings, and is supported in the style guideline at MOS:SINCE and MOS:TOPRESENT. (Those sections deprecate "–present" in article text, but not in other contexts e.g. category names.) – Fayenatic London 17:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1963–present is consistent with most of the articles in that category, e.g. History of Panama (1977–present). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:48, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: split. No further action needs to be taken, as it has already been done. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose splitting Category:Phobias to Category:Phobias and Category:Prejudice and discrimination

Nominator's rationale: This category contains both anxiety disorders such as claustrophobia and forms of prejudice such as mormonophobia (a redirect to anti-Mormonism). I would like to remove the latter from this category and place them instead in (appropriate sub-categories of) Category:Prejudice and discrimination. gnu57 20:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Genericusername57: apparently a few articles have been misclassified. That doesn't even require a discussion, just go ahead with recategorizing them. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Marcocapelle:  Done gnu57 19:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• @Genericusername57: I agree that, e.g., mormonophobia has attributes that claustrophobia does not, but I also think that it is not random chance that words like "mormonophobia" contain "phobia". Many of these prejudices originated with and continue to be based upon substantial amounts of irrational fear. For example, when it has something to do with sexuality or gender (e.g., homophobia, transphobia), there is a substantial element of irrational fear that the feared individuals will groom, assault, or otherwise be harmful to children. What do you think about double listing homophobia, transphobia, mormonophobia, and similar as both Category:Phobias and Category:Prejudice and discrimination? —Quantling (talk | contribs) 19:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The immediate proposal has been WP:BOLDly adopted (as it did not actually require a CFD to take place), but the D in CFD is for discussion and I am relisting so that User:Quantling's point can be discussed.
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• Phobia is a medical term, so I do not agree that articles like Homophobia are added to Category:Phobias. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:29, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I concur with User:Marcocapelle. Homophobia is prejudice and discrimination against homosexuals and homosexuality. "Homophobia" is not a medical-related phobia ("A Comprehensive List of Phobias", PsychCentral). Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 23:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• They are already split as two different categories, although something like homophobia arguably belongs to the both categories. My very best wishes (talk) 17:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• No, it doesn't. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:50, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, it does not. There are some sources [1], but they are not WP:MEDRS. My very best wishes (talk) 15:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There is weak consensus that the category should not exist in its current form, but I find there is no consensus either to delete or rename the category, possibly because the debate became bifurcated between these two options. Given that the CFD ran for over a month, it does not seem to me that a third relist will be productive, so I will instead say that there is no prejudice against speedy renomination.

I'm not a CFD regular so if I have punted any of the technical steps here please feel free to go ahead and fix them or bug me on my talk page (an idiot's guide would be appreciated). Stifle (talk) 08:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:DVD interactive technology to Category:DVD games

Nominator's rationale: More common name, I don't hear "DVD interactive technology" as often. Also, the original name omits the usage of "games". QuantumFoam66 (talk) 05:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• If renamed, Nuon (DVD technology) should be purged. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Many games come on DVD, so this proposed title is too vague to ever work. Honestly I'd just say Delete unless the nominator can articulate what makes these games special. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Keep, please do not remove this category. DVD interactive technology is a thing, as stated in this section of Interactive film. I would need to do a manual purge by creating a new category called "DVD games" if really wanted to do that by the way. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Agree with deletion, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• This CFD was closed as delete by Qwerfjkl (talk · contribs), a non-administrator, on 24 July 2024. In line with WP:DPR#NAC, I, an administrator, am vacating this closure as non-reflective of the nomination or the consensus. Stifle (talk) 08:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Hispanic and Latino American socialists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between specific ethnicity and specific political orientation, per egrs Mason (talk) 00:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Contains a single article, which is likely already in appropriate subcategories of the parents. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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