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LGBT articles

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename and retain the redirects for now to avoid breaking anything. If there are any categories that still need to be renamed after this and the other batch at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 11#LGBT nominations which were opposed at CFDS, they should be nominated at WP:CFDS and any objections along the lines of "I don't like it" ignored. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 15:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Further nominations
Nominator's rationale: This is batch number 2 (following batch 1) of a bunch of category renames following Talk:LGBTQ#Requested move 14 August 2024, which moved LGBT to LGBTQ. Because similar moves were opposed at CFD, these are being nominated here versus CFDS. However, the rationale is still the same: rename per WP:C2D and WP:CONSUB.

I would ask that we not try to delete/merge/etc. any of these categories. That can be the subject of a further nomination. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Some of the pages in these categories have already been updated, so consistency is better as per WP:CONSUB. Lewisguile (talk) 08:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Transgender and medicine

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Transgender health care. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Transgender is an adjective, does not make grammatical sense. Ranleo09 (talk) 22:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Transgender in Russia

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category is the same as Category:Russian transgender people. Transgender is also an adjective, not a noun. Transgender what in Russia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranleo09 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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People of Middle Eastern descent

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 21#People of Middle Eastern descent

Category:Readers

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one actual page in here. The other is a re-direct. The name is extremely vague. Mason (talk) 00:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus seems to favor a change, but what exactly that change should be needs further discussion. Should this category's contents be merged elsewhere, or should the category be deleted? Should a redirect be kept, should it become a {{category disambiguation}}, or should it become a red link?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People from Lahoma, Oklahoma

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 21:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Endemic Fauna of

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus to split. None of them were tagged; nom is welcome to make use of massXFD to make a nomination. However, as Marcocapelle notes, "spliting" at CFD means creating the split targets and then deleting the split category. If that is not what the nominator envisions, they are welcome to WP:BEBOLD and do it themselves until there is an objection. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Current subcategories can be split even further with a subcategory Category:Endemic Moth Species of (insert country) as a majority of the species listed in these subcategories are moths and in the case of a few of them, even more categories . --YourAverageWeeb (talk) 19:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Multiplayer vehicle operation games

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Video games with co-operative vehicle control. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Vehicle simulation games with co-operative control

Nominator's rationale: current category name does not reflect actual category purpose at all; "multiplayer" can also mean the more general sense of any games with several players. it is vital to change the title, to show some indication of the actual category definition and scope, as being focused on vehicle games with cooperative control of the vehicle, by several players. Sm8900 (talk) 19:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify the scope - when you say it's a vehicle simulation game, that means it should be primarily that, not just arcade-style driving and shooting guns in co-op. Simulators tend to be about accuracy and comprehensiveness. For example, I wouldn't call the Battlefield series vehicle sims, and with the new name they should probably be excluded. But they fit into the current name. Solidest (talk) 04:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although Wikipedia now has a problem with this distinction. The vehicular combat game and racing game branches are currently referred to as a subtype of vehicle simulation game, although they are clearly not simulation as a whole - the article on racing explicitly states that there is an arcade-style racing genre and a sim racing genre, which is what real simulation is. And arcade-style games are themselves contradictory to the concept described in the simulation video game article. So perhaps this can be ignored here for now, and the problem needs to be addressed at a higher level. Solidest (talk) 04:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ok. in that case, how about " Vehicle cooperative-control operation games"? Sm8900 (talk) 05:11, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Control and operation in this context mean the same thing. I would go with Video games with co-operative vehicle control if you need to include split-screen games, or "Online video games" if not. Solidest (talk) 07:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Solidest ok, but sorry, just to clarify, what is the full phrase for option 2, in your comment above? do you meant choice A or choice B below, as the second option?
  • Choice A for option 2: Online video games
  • Choice B for option 2: Online video games with co-operative vehicle control
thanks. Sm8900 (talk) 05:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I meant option B. Also given that we have Category:Multiplayer online games, the full variant should probably be "Multiplayer online games with co-operative vehicle control", but I'm not sure if we need to put "multiplayer" explicitly in the title in this case, since "co-op" probably implies it? So we can probably use the root "multiplayer online vgs", but not specify it in the title, staying with "Online video games with co-operative vehicle control". Solidest (talk) 06:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Solidest ok, i appreciate your answer. I would like to go with "Video games with co-operative vehicle control." since some games that are not online will probably be added periodically, and I don't want to exclude them. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 10:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
by the way, which ones had a split screen? you may have more knowledge than me, actually. do you mean Space Lords, for example? Sm8900 (talk) 10:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Civic nationalism

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, it is not a defining characteristic of particular political parties. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete difficult to make a bright line distinction with other types of nationalism, so unsuitable for categorization. Most countries in practice are a mixture of both. (t · c) buidhe 01:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Topical postage stamps

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 20#Category:Topical postage stamps


Category:2020–2021 Minneapolis–Saint Paul racial unrest

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per main article title. This is not a case of speedy because the parent category is discussed below. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2020–2021 United States racial unrest

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Enough has changed over the course of the nomination that for a practical standpoint, I think closing this as no consensus to be followed by a fresh nomination to consider renaming is the best way forward. Pinging Marcocapelle in case he wishes to pursue such a nomination, though of course anyone is welcome to do so! HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: to align the category's title and scope with the main article United States racial unrest (2020–present). 1857a (talk) 23:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's proposal?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:52, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Originally closed as split; requested by Marcocapelle that I relist the discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have just created separate year categories, at least for 2020 and 2021, and these year categories are perfectly fine. But there are also 5 articles and a subcategory that span multiple years, so there is no reason to delete Category:2020–2021 United States racial unrest after the year categories have been created. Note that "split" in CfD jargon means "diffuse, then delete". In this case Category:2020–2021 United States racial unrest is perfectly fine as a parent of the new year categories and for the 5 articles and subcategory that span multiple years. In short: diffuse ok, delete not needed. The only thing I would still change is rename to 2020–2023 or to 2020s. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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By-state law citation templates

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The result of the discussion was: merge all to Category:United States state law citation templates and their respective state law and state templates categories. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 19:07, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Single member categories for templates which impede navigation. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:01, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Partial support – in my opinion, I think merging the [insert state] law citation templates category with the [insert state] law category is a good idea. But maybe keep that and the [insert state] templates category separate. That’s my 2¢ anyway. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 03:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My reasoning is that I could see a state templates category having stuff that does not necessarily involve state laws. Such as perhaps parks, roads, cities, landmarks, etc. That’s why I think the state templates themselves should remain a separate standalone category.
Although the other two appear to be redundant to me (at least in my opinion); and should probably be merged. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 03:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you misunderstand what merging a category entails, Hurricane Clyde – which is not your fault, given merging categories is different from merging any other type of page! Merging Category:A to Category:B and Category:C is shorthand for "delete Category:A after adding its contents to both Category:B and Category:C". Category:B and Category:C would both continue to exist.
So, to take one example from this nomination, {{Cite NVSR law}} would be placed in Category:United States law citation templates, Category:Nevada law, and Category:Nevada templates – and none of those three categories would be changed (other than the fact they now contain {{Cite NVSR law}} instead of Category:Nevada law citation templates). Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well then I think the law citation templates category should be deleted and it’s contents moved to the state law template. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 23:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
State law category I mean. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 23:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Critics of Black Lives Matter

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OPINIONCAT. Their opinions on this particular social movement are non-defining in the vast majority of cases. User:Namiba 16:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:13, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Brazilian footballers at FC Shakhtar Donetsk

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category for a non-defining intersection of traits. While we do have general "[Nationality] expatriate sportspeople in [Other Country]" categories, we do not have any established scheme of microcategorizing them for each specific individual team they may have played for in that other country. Bearcat (talk) 15:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Weather events with particularly dangerous situation watches

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The result of the discussion was: delete. WP:SALT is not usually unless it has been repeatedly recreated – and even then, sometimes not. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category for a non-defining characteristic. A "particularly dangerous situation watch" is just wording that the Weather Service sometimes uses when it sends out a weather alert, so the weather events themselves are not defined by whether the National Weather Service used those particular words or not. Bearcat (talk) 15:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral – to be honest, I had created the category because the draft: list of particularly dangerous situation watches wasn’t going anywhere. I’m not going to oppose deletion on this, but I’m not necessarily going to give my explicit support for it either. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 15:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And that’s coming from the one who created the category. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 15:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do want to ask though. If this does get deleted; can the deleting administrator please salt the title? Because at least one other person wanted to create the category including @GeorgeMemulous. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 17:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Medical doctors in British media

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 20#Category:Medical doctors in British media

Category:Cities formerly served by Chicago and North Western

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Categories for a non-defining characteristic. Per longstanding consensus, we do not categorize cities for their geographic location on railroad lines that serve(d) them -- and if we don't categorize them for current railroad lines, we obviously shouldn't categorize them for former railroad lines either. Absolutely no other "Cities formerly served by X" categories exist at all but these two, and the category system is not The Book of Lists, where you can just use them to create a list of absolutely anything you want a list of: we categorize things by their defining characteristics, not by every individual characteristic they might happen to possess. Bearcat (talk) 14:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:J. D. Souther albums

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: https://www.jdsouther.net/bio states "Please note that John David Souther is professionally known as JD Souther (not J.D. Souther)." GoingBatty (talk) 13:24, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Economy of the Empire of Brazil

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:09, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2F. Only contains main article Economy of the Empire of Brazil, which is already in Category:Economies by former country. NLeeuw (talk) 13:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Association football paintings

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual merge; only two articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question: what is the minimum number of articles required for a category, and which guideline specifies this? Cnbrb (talk) 12:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per various previous discussions, five or six are considered ok, or fewer if there is very clear "potential for growth". No doubt someone has links. Johnbod (talk) 17:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have actually been trying to find out. Have tried ploughing through WP:CAT but can't anything obvious. A clear guideline would be really useful as this is all a bit vague. We can't expect editors to sift through "previous discussions" to ascertain proper usage. Cnbrb (talk) 10:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Johnbod, I did check before nominating the category. There really aren't many articles on sports paintings, most of which are wrestling or boxing. There are a few of rugby football ones but not more association football ones. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
True; a couple of paintings with "football" in the title are actually rugby or Aussie rules. I thought more might come to light. Cnbrb (talk) 10:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Party lists

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 20#Category:Party lists

Category:Shades of black

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 20#Category:Shades of black

Category:Bishops of the Catholic Patriotic Association

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:59, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Consistent with main category and Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association Amigao (talk) 02:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:African computer businesspeople

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:59, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. There's no need to diffuse this occupation by continent until it's diffused by nationality Mason (talk) 00:12, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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