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Enfield Town F.C. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
As you can see from (my talk page) and (the talk page for Ericsback), I am having problems keeping him from replacing personal opinions (mainly re the formation of Enfield Town FC and its similarities to AFC Wimbledon and FC United of Manchester). I have tried adding to the talk page for Enfield Town FC in the hope of stopping this. I don't want to ban people from editing the Enfield Town page and I don't care about information being put on there which isn't "pro-ETFC" so long as it can be verified. I don't want to get into an edit war but unless Ericsback learns that when I have pointed him to The five pillars of Wikipedia I did so for a reason, this is just going to go round in circles.
Just for the record, some of the personal opinions which I have deleted from the Enfield Town FC Wikipedia page turned up on the Enfield (1893) F.C. page but someone from Enfield (1893) appears to have removed them.
How can I stop this continual vandalism without denying someone else the right to include verifiable content (whether I like that content or not).
-- Jancyclops (talk) 15:47, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Stratosphere (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
User:Unschool promotes unsourced material on wikipedia, could you see to that he doesn't do that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.156.124.213 (talk) 04:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello. The page which I had created for "World News Network" was deleted. please ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_News_Network. I agree, some of the content was copied from "world news network" website. As suggested by SOMEGUY1221, i have re-created the page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Smita28/World_News_Network. Please may I know your opinion on this page? This time I don't want it to be deleted. smita (talk) 12:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I put an advert tag on this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_pumping
because essentially all of the sources point to a fluxpumping website, fluxpump.co.uk , or are general background sources on superconductivity. The article text is largely just blue links to other wiki sources. An IP reverted my tag but left intact a link to Scirus search results on the term- which an interested reader can examine. The term is a bit hard to isolate as it does come up in superconductivity but also in plasma physics. The article is probably fixable, and maybe the flux pumping website contains reprints of journal articles but it could just use better documentation with citations through out the text, not just a few bibliographical entries at the end. Anyone want to look at this without having any topic-specific knowledge and see what your impression is?
Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 10:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
The IP in question is a cambridge ( UK?) address which would put it oddly near the "co.uk" site cited above, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:131.111.213.41 this doesn't prove anything and I don't want to make allegations but did want to get someone to look at the article. Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 11:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Cham Albanians (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
We have a major dispute on Cham Albanians article and as it seems, we need somebody to overview the dispute. Can somebody please help?Balkanian`s word (talk) 10:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
There is indeed a major problem with the present Chams article as it is full of falsifications and misquoting of its sources. Until yesterday I had no idea about but in a day (until now) I found 14 such cases in that article, indicating a consistent effort possibly from more than one editors. I really don't know how to manage the situation because I believe that there are many more such cases. I started to report the cases one by one to the discussion page and to edit the article but the falsifications are too many to do it by myself before an edit war will start again to stop any real work. Can someone please take a look to the discussion and the already mentioning cases (I will give at least eight more) to make your checking and to tell me how to manage the situation. Can we freeze the article so to examine one by one every source on it? It is impossible to do it by myself when every day new references and edits are adding (by the same person), together with the hot debate in the discussion page. Thanks, --Factuarius (talk) 10:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Charles_Joseph_Fletcher (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I have a picture of Charles Joseph Fletcher, it was taken June 25th, at an inventor meeting. I want to upload but have no access. How do i get it to you guys?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Fletcher —Preceding unsigned comment added by CEOspaceNJ (talk • contribs) 05:29, 26 June 2009
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I have added information about author Lauren Willig, her current career status, the name of her current best selling novel and the title of her upcoming work. I have cited all of this information to an interview conducted with the author. The website, Loaded Questions, is one that I contribute to and the interview with Lauren Willig one that I myself conducted. However, I have tried to argue that, despite my involvement, this information is important to improving the accuracy of the Lauren Willig page. None of the information is controversial. I have read the guidelines about adding information to pages and have listed my argument on the discussion page for Lauren Willig. I am newer to Wikipedia but feel like I have a good deal of information to share on author after a lengthy career in the book business and now after two years of interviewing more than 60 authors for Loaded Questions. However, another editor MrOllie has deleted every contribution I have made to the site and despite continual contact with him to try and ensure that I follow guidelines and understand why it is that this information is being removed he has essentially refused to discuss his concerns with me.
Here is a link to the page in question Lauren_Willig and to the discussion page where I have attempted to discuss the issue: Talk:Lauren_Willig
This issue has been repeated with a number of authors, many of whom have little or no information written about them. I understand that possible conflict of interest I have in being associated with the site I have cited and in conducting the interviews but sincerely believe that this information is pertinent. As it stands MrOllie has essentially said that he will remove any future information shared from Loaded Questions in general.
I want to contribute to this community and share the information and expertise that I have gained in both my professional career and over the last two plus years conducting author interviews that have been printed as part of St. Martin's Griff Reading Group Gold and in a number of other places. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KellyHewitt80 (talk • contribs)
I'm new to editing Wikipedia, and I would like some help on the Wes Anderson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article. I have tagged the article with the BLP Sources tag, and a lot of the article has [citation needed] and [original research?] tags. I would like some help gathering additional sources and suggestions for an improved format of the article. I've started a section on the talk page about improving the article. Thanks for your help. --Mad Pierrot (talk) 22:56, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
I'm finding that the edits by Chezikah (no user page) to be unproductive with articles related to a new religious movement. Based on that, I've reached out to him/her on both user talk page and the article discussion page to try and guide the edits into more constructive additions. I have received no response and want to avoid an edit war.
The editor appears to want to insert criticism of the the religious group as a cult. That could certainly be accomplished by adding a criticism section and giving proper citations. Edits like one where the bio infobox is "Mind control, no reasoning, racism, homophobia, lying and deception, beating of children" are repeated as is adding a list of critical External links which, not only don't apply to all the aticles, but are misformatted.
Another user, Jaybird vt shares similar concerns and should be included in this conversation.
Articles at Issue
Generally I take an inclusive appoach and try to work with other editors but am having trouble doing so in this case since my posts don't get replies. What would be an appropriate next step? Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide.RevelationDirect (talk) 03:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
User SD again is removing reliably sourced information from article Atrash (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) are replacing it with unsourced information. Please help. --Arab Cowboy (talk) 10:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
This article, besides being written poorly, seems supicious at best. Can someone take a look at it? tedder (talk) 04:11, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I am closing the website www.teresamay.com and have asked the webmistress to pull the site, i wish to show my official site as www.teresamay.org.uk Kindly change the link on the teresa may page to this as the other site is no longer authorised as my official website. I hope this matter can be resolved amicably if not I will have to take appropriate action as the mentioned website is no longer anything to do with me.
If you wish to email me my email is <redacted>
I have changed the link back to what I wish it to be. I repeat, www.teresamay.com is no longer my official site.
Thank you
Teresa may —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gogetemtreez (talk • contribs) 14:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Template:Culture of Oceania (edit | [[Talk:Template:Culture of Oceania|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Help! This template is based on Template:Navbox but it has no documentation page; I think it is appropriate to transclude Template:Navbox/doc but I am confused how to do that. Assistance with this will be very appreciated. Thank you. Newportm (talk) 18:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Florinda Handcock, Viscountess Castlemaine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) A notability tag should be used instead of redirecting the article apparently to avoid the use of the tag. The redirection deletes the article without discussion. I want to undo it but am a little apprehensive to do it. Thanks. Daytrivia (talk) 22:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Nobility charts the history of generations of families who have run countries. This seems to make them inherently notable. Further, Wikipedia has categories for Countesses, Viscountesses, Daughters of earls etc., etc. Daytrivia (talk) 03:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I have been trying for some time to add some material to Wavelength quoted below:
Spatial and temporal relationships
The mathematical form for the wave involves the argument of the cosine, say θ, given by:
Using θ, the amplitude of the wave is:
which shows a particular value of y corresponds to a particular value of θ. As time advances, the term (−vt) in θ continuously reduces θ, so the position x corresponding to a chosen value of θ must increase according to:
in order that the value of θ stay the same. In other words, the position x where the amplitude y has the value Acos(θ) moves in time with the wave speed v. Thus, the particular mathematical form x − vt expresses the traveling nature of the wave.
In the case of the cosine, the periodicity of the cosine function in θ shows that a snapshot of the wave at a given time finds the wave undulating in space, while an observation of the wave at a fixed location finds the wave undulating in time. For example, a repetition in time occurs when θ increases by 2π; that is, when time increases by an amount T such that:[1]
- or
Likewise, a repetition in space occurs when x increases an amount Δx enough to cause an increase in θ by 2π:
- or
Thus, the temporal variation in y with period T at a fixed location is related via the wave speed v to the corresponding spatial variation with wavelength λ at a fixed time.
Using the same reasoning, it may be noted that any function f(x − vt) propagates as a wave of fixed shape moving through space with velocity v.[2] However, to obtain a wavelength and a period, the function f must be a periodic function of its argument.[3] As noted, the cosine is a periodic function and that is why a wave based upon the cosine has a wavelength and a period.[4]
The sinusoidal wave solution describes a wave of a particular wavelength. This might seem to make it a specific solution, not applicable to more complicated propagating waves. In particular, the sinusoid is defined for all times and distances, whereas in physical situations we deal with waves that exist for a limited span in space and duration in time. Fortunately, an arbitrary wave shape f(x − vt) can be decomposed into a set of sinusoidal waves using Fourier analysis. As a result, solutions describing the simple case of a single sinusoidal wave can be applied to more general cases.[1]
This material has been reverted by Srleffler on grounds found at Talk:Wavelength#Spatial_and_temporal_relationships, along with my response.
I would not take too much notice of this event were it not simply one more instance of reversion of my efforts based upon rather weak premises.
Can someone take a look at this example, and possibly look over the talk page itself to see what might be done here? Brews ohare (talk) 22:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Following the suggestion of S Marshall, I have moved this request to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics. Brews ohare (talk) 12:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I can't get a DNS look up on the grok domain and no view stats. I was going to try to ask elsewhere but no mail contact and I didn'twant to download the chat client. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nerdseeksblonde (talk • contribs) 11:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I am having a hard time posting article on actually wikipedia page. I createad the page on User´s page can´t figure out how to move it to the main page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimnet (talk • contribs) 15:43, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Joel Klaiman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Why does Wikipedia mark my entry as a candidate for speedy deletion? I wrote an article about Joel Klaiman who is EVP of Promo & Artist Development at Universal Republic Records, of UMG. I cited my sources as well, as a press release, can someone please help me out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zimblot (talk • contribs) 21:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
I need help with a dispute: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Asmahan#Dispute.2C_3O_given
This is very important, We need an admin that is directly and actively involved and takes a close look at every single one of the 7 different points I have made. And also changes the article in to what he decides.
We have been argueing over this for almost two months. Admin has to take action now.
--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 08:51, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually she was born on a boat heading to the French mandate of Syria. We need an administrator that is actively involved and helps us. We can not do it ourselves. No admin is doing that right now and the third opinion is closed. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 11:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Harkness Roses (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Robert Powell (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Les Reed (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Factual important updates to certain pages on your site keep being removed by someone. Granted if originally they were too lengthy, that I can understand, but please make allowances as it is my first attempt trying and I do have a disability and no acumen for complex sites. I then added just a project website link as references and again, some of that has been removed, in one instance the term Supervising Director of Animations relating to a project, details of which you do not have. Another relevant page you asked for more information then promptly removed it. All are verifiable as I am an Executive Producer and Management Company of said project and celebrities are on board, do I give up trying to update your site as I do not know what is going on. Is someone at wikipedia removing the detail and if so, may I ask for what reason, otherwise may I ask if someone is choosing to follow the links and remove detail as a form of vandalism to our project ?
Many thanks for your help in explaining things to me. Most obliged.
My reference to your records is under the chosen title of Admiral Lord Nelson —Preceding unsigned comment added by AdmiralLordNelson (talk • contribs) 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
[[My reply and final comment is that YOU invited factual updates on some of your pages and then you accuse me of spamming when I am the project Management Company and Executive Producer ! You need not block me as I will not be attempting to post anything else on your website pages, and this was my first attempt. I do not Spam and resent the fact you accuse me of spamming when all I have done is post a legitimate update on 'related' pages the people who feature on those pages are my project Team Members. Shame on you Wikipedia. I will not reply to anything else you may post about me, but remind you of your responsibilities not to blatantly discredit a legitimate posting nor be slanderous in your remarks, which would be inaccurate about myself, my project, and celebrity team, and any such remarks would be truly unprofessional on your part]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by AdmiralLordNelson (talk • contribs) 01:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 21:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I have submitted a brief explanation of Eric McDavid's appeal and time after time an editor has deleted it. I am new to posting on wikipedia so I did not fully understand how to correctly cite or reference my sources, but I have made the citing and referencing corrections and I have adjusted my post to fit the wikipedia guidelines. This editor claimed that, "A Motion to Appeal is NOT a reliable source." However, I believe it to be the ONLY reliable source regarding information pertaining to the appeal. I am not taking a stance as to the defendants guilt or innocence, I am simply providing the facts stated in the appeal. Please help me resolve this conflict.MReichel (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_Duty_(TV_series)
i am the creator and producer of the tv show Jury Duty. Someone with the user name of ChrisP2K5 is writing false information about my show. I have changed it and they keep changing it to the false information. They are claiming that the show is cancelled and we purchased time on stations. That is completely false and I need your assistance to stop this.
Thanks, Vincent Dymon <redacted> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vimon911 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
On the page "false prophets" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_prophet a group of people claiming to be wiki editors have repeatedly, summarily deleted my posts with no reason or vague claims like NPOV or references not appropriate. This includes direct quotes from the bible and the addition of modern day false prophets like David Koresh and Joseph Smith. Additionally they have tried to limit the discussion to Christian, Jewish and Islamm prophets.This is clearly bigoted. The definition of false prophet is abundantly clear from the words themselves; someone who makes a prophesy which turns out to be false. Joseph Smith's own mormon church admits he made prohesies which did not come true. My reference is from a mormon.
They refuse to discuss this on the approriate pages and delete my npov marker for thei extremely biased viewpoint. I believe it is clear and obvious that this page is appropriate for:
1. A discussion of anyone who made false prophesies. 2. not limited to Christians, Jews and muslims.
BMcC333 (talk) 22:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)BMcC333
I have made severall attempts to discuss this and the only response has been blanket deletions. Why is a web link given as a primary source but my web reference called inappropriate? Did you read the discussion page?
his church with claims that there are parts of it missing? 1st the LDS tried to claim they don't exist at all, and then when a museum comes up with them, they try to claim there are other parts missing?? The Museum of Modern Art is a very objective source. They know if they have all of a collection or a fragment of a collection. They have been in the collection business a long long time. The inventory of a museum belongs in an encyclopedia long before the pure speculation of other papyri with no proof whatsoever that they exist. http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b12f9d18fae655bb69095bd3e44916a0/?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=a8c1d7630a27b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.95.219 (talk) 03:38, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
BMcC333 (talk) 23:18, 3 July 2009 (UTC)BMcC333
There is such brilliant logic that to an atheist all prophets are false?? Does wiki approve content based on fringe groups? unsigned by BMcC333 (talk)
There is a big difference in being treated the same and biased against. As pointed out in the discussion page, the page was voted to be kept and the bible has been accepted as a reference for years on that page, Only MY bible quotes are deleted with this excuse.
The same anti-Christian bias has been pointed out by others in the discussion page for unfulfilled prophesy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_religious_predictions The excuse for deleting joe smith jr thre was since he did not live long enough to see his prophesy it should not be held against him??? No one forced him to predict so far in the future. It did not come true, the deletion should be reverted. I am starting a dispute resolution request for this page also. Allowing this type of bullying is not right. These 3 people can not be the only editors on WIKI. What kind of dispute resolution allows the same people who are blanket deleting to run the "resolution" I want to see some neutral, or at least new, mediators65.60.137.141 (talk) 05:42, 5 July 2009 (UTC)BMcC333
Here is proof that these 2 admit they knowingly applied an arbitrary standard to my use of the bible when an established standard already existed on the page, as set up by these 2 people. What else needs to be shown to prove an obvious discrimminatory bias againt my contributions? Pasted from discussion page: The bible has been an acceptable reference on this page for YEARS, when is is used to prop up this pseudo-definition, but as soon as a real definition is given, the bible is not good enough. Who is NPOV?? 65.60.137.141 (talk)BMcC333
I attempted to remove all Bible quotes that were not the subject of commentary within the article. I was reverted. I agree that consistent treatment is necessary.—Kww(talk) 23:33, 4 July 2009 (UTC) I reverted Kww, ....—S Marshall Talk/Cont 23:37, 4 July 2009 (UTC) "
65.60.137.141 (talk) 06:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)BMcC333
" (cur) (prev) 21:40, 4 July 2009 S Marshall (talk | contribs) (16,731 bytes) (Reverting to last stable version. If this happens again, I will see that the article is protected from editing until discussion is complete.) (undo) "
A threat to block comments counts as a comment? This seems to just prove my point. I do not see any rationale for blocking bible quotes when the definition of false prophets is clear and allowing ones which attempt to support some wishy washy definition. It is my opinion these are out of context and off topic. Insisting a definition is not needed is not any improvement to the article or even an attempt at dispute resolution. All we have is a threat to take your ball and go home. 65.60.137.141 (talk) 02:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)BMcC333
Unlike the false prophets page, no one is making the claim a few misses can be allowed but still the blanket deletions of anything but Christian prophesies continues.
Unfulfilled religious predictions (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The same anti-Christian bias has been pointed out by others in the discussion page for unfulfilled prophesy as exists in flase prophets. Will the response to this request also be to remove the page? The excuse for deleting joe smith jr here was since he did not live long enough to see his prophesy it should not be held against him??? No one forced him to predict so far in the future. It did not come true, the deletion should be reverted. Allowing this type of bullying is not right. These 3 people can not be the only editors on WIKI. What kind of dispute resolution allows the same people who are blanket deleting to run the "resolution" I want to see some neutral, or at least new, mediators. As usual there is no discussion to my contribution and now I can expect the usual NPOV and improper reference excuses AFTER THE FACT. This bias is evident to all and does not put wiki in a good light. 65.60.137.141 (talk) 05:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)BMcC333
What do wiki help pages have to do with an obvious anti-Christian bias? It is not like Joe Smithh Jr only missed a few: http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/falseprophecies.htm Shouldn't wiki represent a balanced presentation?
65.60.137.141 (talk) 19:37, 5 July 2009 (UTC)BMcC333
I would like to communicate directly with Alansohn, who reverted my edits to the article on the movie "Frida." However, I don't see how to add a comment to his talk page. When I edited the page, I corrected several factual errors and clarified several confusing points, in addition to correcting some grammatical errors. Pablito (talk) 18:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)Papipaul
Sixtoo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) the biography on living DJ Sixtoo does not cite any references for the content contained. was wondering if it were possible to obtain / request this from the original author, or delete page altogether seeing as it does not adhere to the guidelines for articles on living persons. Joejacksonsalute (talk) 19:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)joejacksonsalute
Green Festival (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Hi,
I am inexperienced in the ways of Wiki, and need some help. I posted an article on the Green Festival and it is flagged for deletion as non-significant event. I was going to add pictures, links to acts performing such as Lennie Gallant, etc. But there is no point if the article is going to be deleted.
If there is a space issue on Wiki, or if there is a problem with the content, then I would agree. As neither applies then I do not understand why a significant event such as this, promoting such good principles, would want to be deleted.
Other events in the local area are listed, and have been for some time, that were established in the same way. As the names 'grow' that perform at the festival, the links will also grow and we would look to do our best in keeping the details factual and linked.
As I am unskilled in Wiki then I need help to apply the correct process to resolve this.
Thanks,
67.201.144.51 (talk) 13:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
The humanism article needs some attention from some editors with knowledge of Wikipedia's goals and policies. American Heritage Dictionary gives five widely varying definitions of the term (see http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=humanism&search=search ), and for several years, the status of this term on Wikipedia has been:
Over the past few years, one particularly tendentious editor attempts every few months to change the primary focus of the article, sometimes in favor of AHD definition 4, sometimes in favor of definition 5. Each time, I attempt to respond by showing the common use in best-selling books, news articles, magazines, web sites, and organizations applying the term to themselves is consistent with definition 1 instead. The tendentious editor has proposed moving the article and was voted down, so now he deletes his 3-revert warnings from his own talk page and attempts to create a consensus on other users' talk pages where his viewpoint will encounter no resistance, rather than on the article's own talk page. In general he seems to bring editors into the article who are abusive, argue by putting words into others' mouths, and recite their opinions over and over without providing evidence of verifiability.
The policies I feel the tendentious editor and those he brings into the discussion are breaking are these:
In an attempt to show a most common, most popular, and primary usage for the term "humanism," I've posted top lists of search results of best-selling books, web pages, multiple news sites, magazines, and organizations. In response, my repeated requests for evidence that AHD definition 1 is NOT the most popular use of "humanism" have been met only by occasional single web pages or books that were hand-picked specifically for their biased POV, rather than algorithmically selected for their popularity as Google, Amazon, Alexa, and the other sources I've cited.
Could someone who is familiar with the most popular use of the word "humanism" AND mindful of Wikipedia policies provide feedback? The focus of the article and its definitions have been established long before I came around, as evidenced by the contents of Template:Humanism, Outline of humanism, the categories to which the article belongs (Epistemology, Freethought, Humanism, Humanist Associations, Humanists, and Social theories), and the projects to which the article belongs (WikiProject religion, WikiProject atheism, and WikiProject philosophy). The continued attempts to change the focus of the article fit what WP:DISRUPT calls, "their edits occur over a long period of time; in this case, no single edit may be clearly disruptive, but the overall pattern is disruptive."
Thanks! Serpent More Crafty (talk) 18:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Flat Earth : Since notability is the criterion, you are documenting what peopple think of thought. For looking at other articles, I find wiki pages on spontaneous generation, and presumably there are pages on alchemy, and other notable theories that a researcher could wish to investigate even though not widely held today. There would be nothing wrong with a page on theories of the origin of life that included a link to spontaneous generation or creationism ( the latter presumably has more support today than spontaneous generation). In the case of humanism, where the definition is debatable, you are just arguing about words not facts. Are you a humanist? Are you a good person? etc. If you just need to make a taxonomy of the different humanist cults, I imagine you run into selection bias- anyone can find hundreds of articles to support his own conclusion while you argue about which 99 or 101 are more credible en masse against the other group of 100 authors ( using numbers to make the rationalizations seem logical and scientific...). Is a merged article even pointless compared to say just a disambig pages with humanism_according_to_x, humanism_according_to_ama, etc?
I guess with religions the group defines itself, presumably the Pope defines Catholics. Literally perhaps, you could give weight to the well-covered AHA but there are plenty of "defintions" from religious groups too. I appreciate that none of this helps, I'm just backing up a bit seeing if I am on the right track so far. Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 02:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_86&action=history
Hi. I Would like to say that a editor called Schwabette77 is removing sourced information from the page. When I asked to the editor stop with this, he (or she) said the reason why, but not cited any proof, reliable source of what he said. Then, I come here for help, I reverted the edits that Schwabette77 done on that page. Thanks. (JoaquimMetalhead (talk) 01:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC))
Summary : From what I gathered looking at two recent versions, the debate hinges over a few adjectives related to being a "Christian" band, maybe the top picture, and a quote from a band member explaining the religious aspect of their group. The quote is rather extensive but presumably the source is reliable for documenting how the group views and describes itself. You get some real zealots on these things but paragraph size quotes do come up from time to time and you would need to consider relevance and POV issues as at some point presenting a monologoue from the group ( or one of their critics ) would be more of an advertisement/soapbox than an encyclopedic description. Offhand, the ideas don't seem worthy of being yanked unless grossly wrong (I'm assuming the band describes itself as religious ) but edit for POV may make more sense. What wiki guidelines or other reasons did the redactor give ? Personally, if I find an informed contributor I tend to not yank whole sections of text especially if ignorant of the subject myself but some people take the bold editing thing a bit far...( note, I'm really tired and unlike SCIGEN my grammor deteriorates alohng with typing- if missed something please correct ). Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 02:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I have been working on getting this page right. Originally it was written as once:technologies but there were issues with that. I believe that I have overcome the main objections and hope to get it moving forward.
Could you take a look at the page and let me know if there are any problems.
Also, I am unable to upload a copy of the logo and screen shot to complete the page. I believe there is a block that needs to be cleared. How do I go about doing that.
This is my first attempt at creating an entry. I realise there will be issues but hopefully it will be better than my first attempt.
Many thanks. Colslee (talk) 12:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
The humanism article needs some attention from some editors with knowledge of Wikipedia's goals and policies. American Heritage Dictionary gives five widely varying definitions of the term (see http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=humanism&search=search ), and for several years, the status of this term on Wikipedia has been:
Over the past few years, one particularly tendentious editor attempts every few months to change the primary focus of the article, sometimes in favor of AHD definition 4, sometimes in favor of definition 5. Each time, I attempt to respond by showing the common use in best-selling books, news articles, magazines, web sites, and organizations applying the term to themselves is consistent with definition 1 instead. The tendentious editor has proposed moving the article and was voted down, so now he deletes his 3-revert warnings from his own talk page and attempts to create a consensus on other users' talk pages where his viewpoint will encounter no resistance, rather than on the article's own talk page. In general he seems to bring editors into the article who are abusive, argue by putting words into others' mouths, and recite their opinions over and over without providing evidence of verifiability.
The policies I feel the tendentious editor and those he brings into the discussion are breaking are these:
In an attempt to show a most common, most popular, and primary usage for the term "humanism," I've posted top lists of search results of best-selling books, web pages, multiple news sites, magazines, and organizations. In response, my repeated requests for evidence that AHD definition 1 is NOT the most popular use of "humanism" have been met only by occasional single web pages or books that were hand-picked specifically for their biased POV, rather than algorithmically selected for their popularity as Google, Amazon, Alexa, and the other sources I've cited.
Could someone who is familiar with the most popular use of the word "humanism" AND mindful of Wikipedia policies provide feedback? The focus of the article and its definitions have been established long before I came around, as evidenced by the contents of Template:Humanism, Outline of humanism, the categories to which the article belongs (Epistemology, Freethought, Humanism, Humanist Associations, Humanists, and Social theories), and the projects to which the article belongs (WikiProject religion, WikiProject atheism, and WikiProject philosophy). The continued attempts to change the focus of the article fit what WP:DISRUPT calls, "their edits occur over a long period of time; in this case, no single edit may be clearly disruptive, but the overall pattern is disruptive."
Thanks! Serpent More Crafty (talk) 18:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Flat Earth : Since notability is the criterion, you are documenting what peopple think of thought. For looking at other articles, I find wiki pages on spontaneous generation, and presumably there are pages on alchemy, and other notable theories that a researcher could wish to investigate even though not widely held today. There would be nothing wrong with a page on theories of the origin of life that included a link to spontaneous generation or creationism ( the latter presumably has more support today than spontaneous generation). In the case of humanism, where the definition is debatable, you are just arguing about words not facts. Are you a humanist? Are you a good person? etc. If you just need to make a taxonomy of the different humanist cults, I imagine you run into selection bias- anyone can find hundreds of articles to support his own conclusion while you argue about which 99 or 101 are more credible en masse against the other group of 100 authors ( using numbers to make the rationalizations seem logical and scientific...). Is a merged article even pointless compared to say just a disambig pages with humanism_according_to_x, humanism_according_to_ama, etc?
I guess with religions the group defines itself, presumably the Pope defines Catholics. Literally perhaps, you could give weight to the well-covered AHA but there are plenty of "defintions" from religious groups too. I appreciate that none of this helps, I'm just backing up a bit seeing if I am on the right track so far. Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 02:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_86&action=history
Hi. I Would like to say that a editor called Schwabette77 is removing sourced information from the page. When I asked to the editor stop with this, he (or she) said the reason why, but not cited any proof, reliable source of what he said. Then, I come here for help, I reverted the edits that Schwabette77 done on that page. Thanks. (JoaquimMetalhead (talk) 01:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC))
Summary : From what I gathered looking at two recent versions, the debate hinges over a few adjectives related to being a "Christian" band, maybe the top picture, and a quote from a band member explaining the religious aspect of their group. The quote is rather extensive but presumably the source is reliable for documenting how the group views and describes itself. You get some real zealots on these things but paragraph size quotes do come up from time to time and you would need to consider relevance and POV issues as at some point presenting a monologoue from the group ( or one of their critics ) would be more of an advertisement/soapbox than an encyclopedic description. Offhand, the ideas don't seem worthy of being yanked unless grossly wrong (I'm assuming the band describes itself as religious ) but edit for POV may make more sense. What wiki guidelines or other reasons did the redactor give ? Personally, if I find an informed contributor I tend to not yank whole sections of text especially if ignorant of the subject myself but some people take the bold editing thing a bit far...( note, I'm really tired and unlike SCIGEN my grammor deteriorates alohng with typing- if missed something please correct ). Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 02:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I have been working on getting this page right. Originally it was written as once:technologies but there were issues with that. I believe that I have overcome the main objections and hope to get it moving forward.
Could you take a look at the page and let me know if there are any problems.
Also, I am unable to upload a copy of the logo and screen shot to complete the page. I believe there is a block that needs to be cleared. How do I go about doing that.
This is my first attempt at creating an entry. I realise there will be issues but hopefully it will be better than my first attempt.
Many thanks. Colslee (talk) 12:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I've never done this before and hope I'm doing it right.
Regarding the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed
The article rightfully criticizes the movie for partially quoting Darwin. However, Wikipedia also only partially quoted the passage, so I completed it. Dave Souza and Shoemaker's Holiday believe the Wiki article should cut off the last part of Darwin's paragraph. This last part is very pertinent to the argument, and its suppression distorts Darwin's thought.
I have linked to the article above; here is the link to the talk page. It's the seventh subject, eugenics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed
Thank you for your help. Yopienso (talk) 01:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Happily. This is the text as it stands in the article:
"In support of his claim that the theory of evolution inspired Nazism, Ben Stein attributes the following statement to Charles Darwin's book The Descent of Man:[30]
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With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. Hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.
Stein stops there, then names Darwin as the author in a way that suggests that Darwin provided a rationale for the activities of the Nazis. However, the original source shows that Stein has significantly changed the text and meaning of the paragraph, by leaving out whole and partial sentences without indicating that he had done so. The original paragraph (page 168) (words that Stein omitted shown in bold) and the very next sentences in the book state:[30][75]
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With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed. The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil.[75][76]
After "...with an overwhelming present evil," I want to include, "Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage." In the original text, according to Cambridge's online version, that is the final sentence of the paragraph. You have to scroll down. It would be easier to go to the article itself and then to the History and Discussion pages. Or so I would think. Again, thank you for working on this. I do want Wikipedia to be trustworthy. http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=text&itemID=F937.1&pageseq=181 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yopienso (talk • contribs) 03:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Assuming I'm "the editor," all I want to do is finish Darwin's paragraph. Originally I explained he was headed toward eugenics--just as the movie claims--but I'm willing to drop that. There is an unfactual paragraph in the article immediately following the quote that claims he wasn't. As long as the actual quote is in the article, I think it's fair enough to let the readers decided what he said and what he meant; the claim will fall on its face without any comments from me.
This is what D.S. and S.H. have "tried to explain" to me.
"I've removed it from the article as synthesis, drawing a novel conclusion unsupported by a secondary source. To clarify things I've also shown the SciAmn source for the selection as well as the link to Darwin's original writings. There's a case that can be made that what Darwin was advocating is the same as Dor Yeshorim, where there's some argument as to whether that can legitimately be called liberal eugenics. However, NOR policy means that we need a source for that case directly relating it to the article subject, and I've not seen one. . . dave souza, talk 08:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)"
"As Darwin said, "this is more to be hoped for than expected". He was opposed to coercion, and did not see a clear way to achieve the aim. However, Dor Yeshorim gets the weaker couples to voluntarily refrain from marrying and reproducing. We've used the selection that SciAm chose, if you think that's dishonest then find a reliable source making the selection you think is appropriate. . . dave souza, talk 18:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)"
(I never brought up Dor Yeshorim and see no reason to include it.)
"Ahem, Dor Yeshorim is not about perfect Aryans. Which is why we look to reliable secondary sources to avoid the sort of WP:SYN you're committing in your interpretation of a primary source. . . dave souza, talk 23:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)"
"No reliable source quotes the version you want. I think that's the end of the story. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 01:36, 7 July 2009 (UTC)"
"No source on the film includes the quote you wish to include. That means you're replacing the sourced debate with a synthesised original research commentary of your own creation, intended to attack Darwin. That will never fly here. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 05:10, 7 July 2009 (UTC)"
No source on the film includes the quote I wish to include? The Wiki article partially completed a quote the movie misleadingly failed to quote in full. I wish to fully complete it. Why is it "synthesised original research" when I go to a footnote provided in the article, notice that it has been truncated, and include what was deliberately omitted? Why am I not allowed to accurately quote from a first resource but Wiki can quote from a second resource that has left out part of the original? I am adding no commentary, only giving Darwin's own words in context. I have absolutely no reason or intention to attack Darwin. What I see on the part of D.S. and S.H. is a blatant suppression of the truth. I expect better of Wikipedia.
I have omitted here my queries and replies, which I stand by. They are all right there on the talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed Yopienso (talk) 05:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Question: Is Wiki's policy that no primary sources may be quoted?
Question: Is Wiki's policy that when a quoted secondary source is found to be incomplete in such a way that it detracts from or distorts the original meaning--exactly what Stein did in the movie--it may not be completed?
If that is the definition of "synthesised original research," I am indeed guilty, and terribly disappointed in Wikipedia. I'm still hoping for a satisfactory resolution with Nerdseeksblonde's help. Yopienso (talk) 05:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
To summarize my stance and request: 1. The movie partially quoted Darwin. 2. Scientific American wrote a critical review of the movie and added to the quote, accusing (rightfully so, as I understand English) him of quote-mining. However, SA did exactly the same thing, cutting off the end of Darwin's statement. 3. Wiki is not allowing me to finish the statement. The statement completes his idea and furnishes the context. The missing statement begins with the word "Hence," thereby not introducing a new idea, but the clinching statement of his paragraph. This statement has much to do with the movie's premise. 4. I believe it is against common sense, and certainly counter to intellectual honesty, to publish here only what a secondary source has edited when the original is readily available. 5. Most adamantly, I am NOT making "...analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims about information found in a primary source" within the text of the article. I am only including the sentence that has been eliminated from Darwin's own words. (I did at first insert that into the article, but Dave quickly and appropriately moved my comment to the Discussion page, where it is certainly allowable.) 6. A refusal on the part of Wiki to disallow this one sentence, "Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage," could only come from the stance of presenting what the editorial staff wishes Darwin had said instead of what he truly wrote. I am being falsely accused of "attacking" and "smearing" him, when the truth is that S.H. wants him to be misrepresented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yopienso (talk • contribs) 14:39, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Whoops--sorry--forgot to sign. One more point here: I am being accused of "quote-mining," yet they are the ones who want to omit/suppress part of the quote, while I'm the one who wants to furnish the context of the quote. Doesn't that sound backwards?Yopienso (talk) 14:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Now what?
Nerdseeksblonde: I have no need or reason or intention of debating whether Darwin was good or evil, I just want his complete paragraph included because its omission distorts the context.
Ukexpat: You can see the first concise post I made above. Nerd requested amplification. Once again, I am requesting to complete Darwin's own paragraph without any synthesis, interpretation, or comment. I cannot see why the fact that an omission from Darwin's original text in a denigrating article byScientific American means the original text cannot be quoted. If that is the case, I will appeal to the next step up the Wiki hierarchy. Yopienso (talk) 17:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Response
Thank you. The Scientific American article is a hostile review of the movie entitled "Never You Mine: Ben Stein's Selective Quoting of Darwin." The opening line is, "One of the many egregious moments in the new Ben Stein anti-evolution film "Expelled" is the truncation of a quote from Charles Darwin so that it makes him appear to give philosophical ammunition to the Nazis." The movie quoted Darwin from pp. 168-169 of The Descent of Man. SA made the quote more complete, and I wish to include the last sentence of the second paragraph of the passage in question. Yopienso (talk) 18:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I'll take this up another level, then.
It is undeniably a propaganda movie. What is promotes, however, in not intelligent design pseudoscience, but the idea that those who promote or even suggest there might be some credibility in intelligent design pseudoscience are ridiculed, discounted, harassed, or removed from their professional positions. I believe this is true, though it's not worth it to me to argue the point. Anybody who wants to pursue the truth may read a letter to Richard Sternberg from the U.S. Office of Special Counsel which declares, "...our preliminary investigation supports your complaint....Nevertheless, the current investigative file reflects support for your allegations....Our preliminary investigation indicates that retaliation came in many forms. It came in the form of attempts to change your working conditions and even proposals to change how the SI retains and deals with future RAs. During the process you were personally investigated and your professional competence was attacked. Misinformation was disseminated throughout the SI and to outside sources. The allegations against you were later determined to be false. It is also clear that a hostile work environment was created with the ultimate goal of forcing you out of the SI." Etc. http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=1488
But I'm not introducing this issue into the Wiki article about the movie since I now understand, as Dave puts it so forthrightly, only mainstream thinking is allowed. It is not worth my time and trouble, nor yours, to open debate on a propaganda piece--the Wiki article--about a propaganda piece--the movie.
Disappointingly, evolutionists fall into the same trap: their personal worldviews and philosophies of life are not empirical science merely because they are believed by empirical scientists. This doesn't discount the volumes of solid science evolutionists process. Their beliefs, however, particularly in presentations for the layman, frequently find a voice. I refer to TV series and books by Asimov, Sagan, Attenborough, Dawkins, Hitchens, et al, as well an, notoriously, National Geographic and even Scientific American. (Their review of Expelled... does bear their cachet.) And all this runs together to form the "mainstream." Again, just because philosophical views are widely held by the intelligentsia and their followers doesn't make them true. I'm not saying they're false, just that they're not science.
So, the next step is for me to figure out how to appeal to the next level of Wiki hierarchy. Thanks to all for your input. My respectful disagreement on the issue diminishes in nothing my regard for you as individuals. 209.161.180.190 (talk) 03:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Weird--I did sign that post with the four tildes. I'll try again--could be because I included a URL. I was required to type in some words to make sure I wasn't an automatic spammer. 209.161.180.190 (talk) 03:10, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh, rats--I opened Wiki in another window and that signed me out. :( Yopienso (talk) 03:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
To Conclude: If you care about provoking the Nazi issue, then it seems you would look at quotes or things they did- they they cite the part the movie did, irrespective of it accurately reflecting the politically correct Darwin? The only reason for caring what Darwin said is to substantiate some claim about him which may have little to do with the movie or what the Nazi's perceived or desired to promote. Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 11:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
The dispute concerns the Wikipedia entry about me, Peter Hitchens. I make no secret of the fact that I edit this site (though I did not originate it, and try to limit my interventions to correcting factual errors or inserting missing facts). For some years the introductory paragraph mentioned that I had worked for many years for 'The Daily Express'. Earlier this year, I removed this from the introductory paragraph(for reasons I explained on the Talk page). The fact is clearly stated in the body of the article. It is its prominence, not its presence, that I think misjudged. One editor. Philip Cross, initially objected but then seemed to have accepted my argument. Now another anonymous editor has taken to re-inserting the material. When I removed it and explained why, this anonymous editor simply re-insterted it without comment. I have objected to this on the talk page, amd explained my actions. But he or she persists in doing this. I would prefer to avoid a tedious edit war. Can anyone help? Peter Hitchens, signed in as Clockback (talk) 09:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
My thanks to S. Marshall. Since I posted this the same anonymous contributor has made several other contentious ( and in my view hostile) additions to the entry, which have been deleted by another editor unknown to me. There is no sign of any attempt to explain this behaviour on the Talk Page. This may betoken more and worse problems to come. Peter Hitchens logged in as Clockback (talk) 15:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Keith Henson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
User:Jehochman suggested that I post here about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Keith_Henson He says I should ask for "an uninvolved editor to make these edits." (Nothing controversial, just requested cites.) There is some new stuff as well http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5485 if anyone wants to add it.
I won't post my email address, but it has been here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hkhenson for years if anyone needs it. Keith Henson (talk) 03:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello. My name is Arkon Basse. I was assigned to create an article for my employers , clyde vanbarrel and kyle vanbarrel, but the articles were added to the speedy deletion log, which i do not understand. There can be no logical explanation for deleting these articles other than sheer descrimination and unfair judgement on your part. I would like to recreate them, and for them to remain there. can you point out to me what exactly is wrong with these articles so that I can make whatever changes are necessary. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arkonian (talk • contribs) 18:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Clyde vanbarrel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Kyle VanBarrel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hello. My name is Arkon Basse. I am creating 2 separate articles for my employers, clyde vanbarrel and kyle vanbarrel, which you keep adding to your speedy deletion log. I cannot understand why, and would like to know what irequired of me for my articles to remain in the wikipedia system.
Thank you.
Arkon Basse
Warrant (of Payment) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Hello, I created a new page called "Warrant (of Payment)" and another editor deleted my page then created a page with the same name and included my content. As a result of this he is the original author and my original creation of the page has been deleted and does not appear in the page history.
I have three questions:
(1) how can I get access to my original page, the one he deleted?
(2) how can I see a log of his deletion, ie, when and who deleted it?
(3) how can I get my original authorship of the page restored?
Thanks for any assistance, user name: John Chamberlain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.76.11.158 (talk • contribs) 15:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I have put a convenience link above. Click on the history and you will see what has happened, every edit. If you click on the date of any edit you will see the page as it was, if you click on the radio buttons in two different edits you will see what the changes are. You can use the article talk page to discuss with the other editor(s). And don't forget to sign your posts with 4 tildes. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:03, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
This is my mistake, sorry about that. I was looking at the discussion history, not the page history. My mistake. I wanted to make sure I was the original editor for two reasons: personal credit, and establishing the article as an American article. If there is a language dispute over use of American/British English then the deciding factor is the original authorship of the article.
My first two questions still remain unanswered, by the way. How can I view a deleted page or see a log of deleted pages? One of the reasons I ask this is because sometimes if there is a page similar to another one an editor will make a redirect and then delete the smaller article. How do you see the article they deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.76.11.158 (talk) 16:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if this is the right place for this and if it's not I heartily apologize. I and a few others have been trying to come to some kind of agreement to add reference to the Palin Letterman spat in the Letterman article and/or Late Show with David Letterman article. Others feel that it it is to flavor of the month and tinged with pop culture to be worthy of inclusion. What do you guys think?Datacharge (talk) 02:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
National Holiday (Quebec) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I have a question regarding censoreship on Wikipedia. There is a section on the St Jean festival in Quebec which is HIGHLY contentious. I have added to it citing facts, with references. There is a mafia on here that is taking off my postings constantly. Can something be done about this? I think in the case where there is disagreement, it is enough that this is placed in a section (where it is currently) about contentious issues. I have reposted and hope it does not get wiped off again, but there is a clear agenda to protect certain "bleached" histories that do not at all reflect the facts.
Thanks Disfasia (talk) 15:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC) disfasia
"Disappeared"? What tendentious if not conspiratorial language. People do have lives. Regardless, this does not excuse your removing material here. There are no blogs posted--books and articles that fairly evaluate the situation. The fact remains that there is censureship on this subject occurring and I would like for it to stop immediately. There are so many questionable sources already on this posting from the Quebec government which is its own "blog", not outside sources. A government "statement" is no more valid than any other organisational statement. So the whole idea of what are verifiable sources is already tainted. Government publications might set up public rhetoric, but the articles and books I have listed get to the heart of the matter as they are more scientific in research (many of them) and involve local representations of this holiday since a good half of the city of Montreal does not at all feel this holiday includes them. Obviously there is discord. I think these two editors are trying to eliminate discord in trying to get consensus and that is simply not going to happen. There are quite simply too many inhabitiants who have been affected by the xenophobia that this holiday promotes as witnessed by the recent fiasco with English language being temporarily banned from the festival's celebrations. And when I checked what I had added, the information was removed. This is censoreship and it must stop immediately. Disfasia (talk) 17:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC) disfasia
I have been extremely busy with work, but once again the paragraph I have added under the political nature of the holiday section (with a "The neutrality of this section is disputed" note to boot) has been removed. The inforamtion I give is well-documented, journalistically fair in its language and gives another dimension to this holiday as described by both scientific research articles and a recent critique of the holiday by a francophone Quebec commentator who put into question the very necessity of a holiday which underscores what he deemed to be the trenchant racism in the province. This paragraph is both legitimate in its facts and fair in its reporting. I know the people removing it are not neutral parties in this debate and I hope Wikipedia would allow that dialogue take place rather than rogue censoreship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Disfasia (talk • contribs) 15:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Disfasia keeps re-posting the same paragraph for which the references are not connected with the statements or even the subject. Administrator FisherQueen has already pointed out the nature of the problem with both the form and contents of his post on his talk page. I have reverted his July 14 re-posting at National Holiday (Quebec) and he has re-posted it again on July 17. This can only lead to a revert war so I would like an admin (whoever) to take care of the case. Thanks. -- Mathieugp (talk) 17:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Reverted is your word for censure? Again, you should not be touching anything on that site until the issue is resovled--that is what the header states. So can you please leave the posting which is valid, relative and substantiated by secondary sources? Thanks. I will repost the paragraph and I hope that the "The neutrality of this section is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved" is respected.
What criticisms I see here are, uh, none. There is no reason i am seeing that the paragraph cannot remain aside form Mathieugp being partisan in the issue and he censores the posting. So if he wants to create a war, so be it. This is not the nature of wikipedia however and discussions should come before censoreship. I think this user should be blocked from wikipedia if he continues to censure the listing. Disfasia (talk) 16:02, 18 July 2009 (UTC) disfasia
I have reponed the discussion the discussion section of the holiday name since I think this discussion should be open and not on my page only. This is a problem of censureship more than what I am writing since the sources I state are valid and I have already had a specialist on this holiday and Quebec cultural politics concur that my entry only balances out the already tendentious nature of the original postings which elide any sort of political detailing of a holiday which is extremely political. I look forward to discussion and no more censuring Mathieugp! Thanks Disfasia (talk) 16:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC) disfasia
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Norcalal (talk) requests a disinterested editor with no connection to Nytend or Carlossuarez46 to look into the matter and provide me with helpful feedback as to how to end the matter. Specifically, if the IP related to Highspeed continues to be thought of as a rogue, why is it that these admins are continually considering me an accomplice. I have made no vandalism of any kind and yet this continues. I am at a loss and would appreciate the benefit of the doubt if someone could look at all this. I really just want to improve (if my schedule ever gives me time) the articles in my area of interest... Thanks Norcalal (talk) 06:08, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
:So what article is this about? You may well be best to request a third opinion at WP:3RD. Read the instructions there and list it. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) I'm a regular contributor to the Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen article, and am currently holding a long-running dispute over the inclusion of some brief appearances of characters in the movie. The first one is the decapitated head of a character from the previous movie in the series. The second, the appearance of a vehicle that (although not certainly the same character), served as a character's alt mode in the first movie. The relevance of this information comes from the nature of the films' universe, in which even after being suggested dead, characters are bound to be reintroduced as having been 'repaired', had their outcome been sufficiently unclear. Taking this into account, the provided information intends to aid in the reader's ability to determine the aforementioned characters' fate. The discussion on the matter, in which other regular contributors are participating, can be seen here. --uKER (talk) 08:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
History wars (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The talk page on history wars had a lengthy debate (about 450K) about the genocide of the Tasmanian Aborigines. This debate was never settled, but an editor took the step of archiving the discussion. I requested that at least the last 200K of the discussion (from june 09) be kept for future reference. I am hoping someone could please help put that page right once and for all. It is not acceptable to have fringe historical positions like that of Keith Windschuttle be presented without counterweight, as is happening there.Likebox (talk) 19:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
As part of WP:Cleanup_volunteers, I edited the Year_One_(film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Box Office section by replacing opening weekend results with up to date box office info. However, an anonymous ip reverted those changes without citing an active and credible reference. The reference previously cited for the opening weekend results points to a page with this weekends statistics and, thus, is unable to validate this films original week one ranking.
Two questions:
If an anonymous ip address makes the changes, do I use the talk page to ask for claification and wait for a reply?
Since the ref is unable to validate the claim, should I find a good ref to validate it, or leave it on the talk page and let those interested in the article determine its fate?
I have left a message on the articles talk page, however, I am interested in the views of a seasoned editor.Bobinit (talk) 20:34, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Jez, Thanks for taking the time to provide me with feedback on the Year One (film) reversions...and also for taking action on that article. I now understand what you did and how you did it, but am not terribly comfortable taking such proactive measures against other editors at this point. I am sure my confidence will build after being in the trenches for a while. Thanks again!Bobinit (talk) 04:26, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Presumed innocent (band) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I have recently created the above article but accidentally used a lower case "i" in the second word, innocent. Is there any way to change this to a captial "I" so the page title reads "Presumed Innocent (band)"?
Admiral hudson (talk) 03:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)Admiral_Hudson
Dear Wikipedia Editor,
I'm a new user to Wikipedia and have created a George F. Donohue page. George F. Donohue (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Since its creation, a warning message appears stating I do not have sufficient citations to my page. I've since added additional citations to support this page. Could you please let me know if these citations 'wikify' the page? I'd like very much to get rid of these warning messages, as I am concerned it will take away from George's credibility. Thank you so much!
Sincerely,
Jason Jtoms1 (talk) 13:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
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I left a message at User talk:Joyson Noel about suspicious edits being made by a number of usernames/IPs. Joyson Noel agreed that these edits were similar to a banned user known as User:Mynameisstanley and, while unable to deal with the matter himself, it was suggested by him that I forward this to either User:Mafia Expert or User:William M. Connolley. It was at this point that the IP in question began accusing me of being a sockpuppet and spammed two talk pages ([5]/[6]) besides my own with this information. He also began following me and reverting my edits, specifically to List of Jewish-American mobsters, but also reverting my talk page with harrassing messages. ([7]/[8]/[9])
I reported the incident at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism and one of the IPs was blocked, but the editor has returned under a different IP and has continued reverting my edits at List of Jewish-American mobsters and my talk page. I've left messages on several talk pages, two of them administrators, but I haven't gotten a responce from anyone. Its been kind of frustrating because no one seems to want to get involved or at least point me in the right direction where I can get help. 72.74.219.143 (talk) 18:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
I have a serious issue with the management of this page. Daily Mail (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The creator is censoring it. He consistently deletes, or changes, any source-able facts that he feels paints the title in a bad light.
This includes him deleting a "critism" section, completely, in which every point in it had a link to the fact the paper had been fined by the Press Complaints Commision over said point.
He frequently threatens people who edit it. Threatening to report them for vandalisation. Even if what they are posting is completely sourceable and accurate.
I believe that Wikipedia is a source of fact and knowledge. Not a political, economic tool for big newspapers. The creator of the page censoring anything negative about the newspaper, and threatening users, is completely against the principles of wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.128.223.67 (talk) 17:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I am NOT the creator of the page and as Jezhotwells rightly says all I have done is removed unsourced POV, I have not been removing sourced material. These accusations are false. The warnings I sent for vandalism were NOT sourced comments they are unsourced POV. I think the accusers need to check their facts before accusing me with no evidence. I also did NOT delete any 'criticisms' section as there wasn't one published. My edit record shows no proof of this accusation. Christian1985 (talk) 21:43, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually what was removed had a approximately ten if not eleven references. So this was definitely not POV. So, it does pose an ethical problem to have the same people removing information that is validated by valid sources. In fact, other people added as I recall and I do not see their postings as well. I think the problem is that there is a huge political angle to this holiday that is repressed on the Wiki and all people want to do is to demonstrate this polemic. I think it is fair that the counter arguments, if you will, remain. For instance "Once made a statutory holiday, June 24 officially became a holiday for all Québécois rather than only those of French-Canadian or Catholic origins." is not sourced and anyone will tell you that this statement is flatly untrue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Disfasia (talk • contribs) 22:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
List of Latin American subnational entities by Human Development Index (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) This article needs a technical review. The ranking of this page has several problems and doesn't make sense. It was built with possible bias, and with serious methodological erros. I already had discussions with some users on the talkpage, but some users are retired or were blocked to editing on Wikipedia. I also posted some sources to support my view. How do I get an expert review of this article? Thank you very much.--Italodal (talk) 04:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The theory is—you can decide for yourself whether you agree with this—the theory is that all editors need to do is quote sources. In other words, if there's a source that says "Black is white", that can appear in Wikipedia. (This is why we have an article about, say, "Bigfoot". Because what's said here doesn't have to be true, it just has to be sourced.)
If someone's saying things that are wrong, the best answer is to quote a different source that says why they're wrong. If your source is more reliable than their source, then your source will be given more weight.
So you can end up with an article that says: "Professor White (1993) said X. Professor Green (1997) disagreed, saying instead Y. Doctor Blue's study (2003) disagreed with both, taking the view that Z."
So I'm afraid your question has no answer: there is no mechanism for a "technical review by experts".—S Marshall Talk/Cont 23:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Excuse me for butting in, but I'm bilingual and would like to offer my own translation of the Spanish text above.
"Can the Provincial Human Development Index (PHDI) be compared between countries? Unlike the Human Development Index (HDI), the PHDI was created only to estimate regional discrepancies within our country. Different countries have created different versions of the HDI, adapting them to the peculiarities of the various contexts." Yopienso (talk) 09:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Could any editor help?--Italodal (talk) 20:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
I am having a problem with editing the name of the personage regarding article Madame_du_Barry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
The article is about Madame du Barry. I have edited her name from 'Jeanne' to 'Marie-Jeanne/Jeanette', which I know is correct and have found concrete proof of which I included in my references, but someone literally deletes both the full name AND the reference I put, which I find egotistical and unfair! I am continually putting in new information on her since I have many biographies, and am trying to give as much information as I can, but someone seems to keep falsifying it or taking it off! I know I should expect it since it is a voluntarily-based encyclopedia, but why do so if I am giving proof of what I include? It's unreasonable!
How may I tackle this problem WITHOUT having to re-put her name and other info over and over and over again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oceanblueeyes (talk • contribs) 17:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Jezhotwells, this *mini edit war* on Mme du Barry began last June, and Oceanblueeyes & myself have already corresponded on the subject,
If you do not mind reviewing my work for the past two years, please note that I always leave a reason for the changes I bring to articles. Cordialement, Frania W. (talk) 20:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Translation of Jeanne Bécu's baptism registration: Jeanne Bécu, natural daughter of Anne Bécu, surnamed Quantigny, was born on the nineteenth of August, seventeen-hundred-and-forty-three, and was baptised the same day, having for godfather Joseph Demange and for godmother Jeanne Birabin, who have signed with us. (signed by) L. Gahon, curate of Vaucouleurs. Joseph Demange, Jeanne Birabin., in A King's favourite, Madame du Barry, and her times from hitherto unpublished documents by Claude Saint-André with an introduction by Pierre de Nolhac and 17 illustrations, New York, Mc Bride, Nast & Company, 1915, p. 3 (a translation from the French publication by Tallandier, Paris, 1909.)
Marie-Jeanne (or Jeanette)
I've noted a lot of people who just go around deleting things for whatever reason, sometimes valid sometimes not. Often, they don't know the material and can't pick among the references to check it or won't look for a few sentences and assume it is not sourced. Common knowledge also varies by level knowledge of topic. Sometimes, you get people with the opposite attitude and know the material and delete the obvious or irrelevant. Personally, it seems a better strategy, rather than just deleting out of ignorance if you are too lazy to try to find a source, is just put the material into comments and then discuss it on the talk page. Unless the material is patently frivolous or the deletor knows the material and has positive knowledge the contribution is wrong or improperly stated, I am not sure why people delete some things. Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 19:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC
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I had contacted Ms. Frania Wisniewska directly and thought matters between us had taken a positive turn, but apparently now just because I include as much information on the personage as I can, WITH PROOF of being correct, seems to be a childish game. This seems no longer an encyclopedia for users to give as much information on the subject, but this particular article has become somewhat of a silly competition which I no longer care for. You want it to be Jeanne, then keep it that way. I just wished to show the world she had more to her name than just 'Jeanne'- with factual proof may I include once again, although that was the most commonly used. I too have her baptismal scripture in biographies, I even own a book of the whole court case she went through up 'till her way to the guillotine- so one definately cannot say I have insuffiecient, false or restricted knowledge of her. Many sentences I included had citations included: I fulfilled the reference to each one from material which I have and not material given to me by anybody else, so none of what I included, as was referred to initially, is wrong and false! I just know what I know and believe it to be right, not because I just decided to do so or hard-headedly, but because the material I have, which I believe is just as good as anyone else's, proves so. I only wanted it to be a pleasure to read by giving it a personal, factual and unbiased touch for readers to enjoy and understand...but whatever happens to the article is no longer a concern of mine. You may change whatever information you like, but I'll keep what I know to myself- not out of spite- but for not being understood. Good luck to whomsoever wants more info on this subject! Oceanblueeyes
Hollie Steel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Greetings,
I would like help. I started the article on Hollie Steel. Today I was adding the fact that Miss Steel now has a high powered talent manager and the new entry is being deleted for the silly reason that this person thinks it is an advertisment for the manager. I find that reasoning dumb. The entry's point is that this young talent is progressing to become a serious entertainer who will most likely have new projects.
Here is what I wrote:
Hollie Steel's manager is Steven Howard (formerly with Zomba Music) from the TCB Group. With such a high powered manager Miss Steel will soon be in new projects.[5]
How can I get Mr. Radiopathy off my back? Please help.
Dane Sorensen --Dane Sorensen (talk) 03:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I am involved in a dispute over the inclusion of certain material on this page. I would be grateful for some impartial examination of the matter. The dispute can be viewed on the discussion page for this entry (Bob Ainsworth, British politician). Peter Hitchens, logged in as Clockback (talk) 10:44, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Surely if you've looked at the talk page the matter is abundantly clear. I think the verified facts that Mr Ainsworth, now a British Cabinet minister, attended meetings of a secretive revolutionary organisation, as an adult, and now declines to answer questions about this , should be included in the article. Two other editors (who appear not to be reading my arguments) say it shouldn't be. For reasons explained on the talk page, I don't think I should be the person inserting this, but the others decline to do so. If I insert it without resolution of this argument, I fear an edit war. I badly need help. If you aren't interested, please can someone else show an interest. I' m very disappointed at the lack of response to my responsible attempt to resolve a dispute from the supposed Wikipedia community, so far. Peter Hitchens, logged in as Clockback (talk) 21:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
I moved the article Vaughan Corporate Centre to Vaughan Municipal Centre, and then realized I made a mistake, so I moved Vaughan Municipal Centre to Vaughan Metropolitan Centre. The problem now is that the Vaughan Municipal Centre article still exists and should be deleted -- no one will ever search for the name "Vaughan Municipal Centre". Plus, the redirect link should then be fixed for the Vaughan Corporate Centre article. I need an administrator to help me here as I believe I have no control over these redirect links. Sorry to mess things up like this.--Jstreutker (talk) 04:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I have a problem with the Leveraged ETFs section on in the Exchange-traded fund article. The user 65.86.124.211 repeatedly deletes a paragraph. I have invited the user to argue for his case in the discussion, but he only deletes the paragraph with no explanation.
Leveraged ETFs causes trading losses, but these losses can be avoided if the investor instead buys the underlying future contracts directly. However, that means circumventing the middleman (the ETF fund). This can be compared to going directly to the factory rather than through a retail shop. I therefore suspect that the user 65.86.124.211 is someone from the industry. Can he be blocked?Espen Sirnes (talk) 12:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your feedback and advice. It would of course be best to use a third party reference, however the one that comes up if you google "bear bull funds loss", is my own blog post on the matter (I am an associate professor in finance).
However, this is a mathematical fact that can relatively easily be derived, all though it is a bit to elaborate to be in the article itself. Also, anyone can check leveraged funds, and see that they loose out on the index over time. What I have done is therefore to derive this in the article's talk page, where I also present some empirical evidence with link to the data source. Hopefully that will help.
Nerdseeksblonde: Thanks for your advice. As you now will see from the article's talk page, these are in deed trading losses caused by the Leveraged ETFs. An unleveraged ETF would not incurred them. I know option pricing theory, and this has nothing to do with that. These are real losses, realized each time the ETF rebalances its portfolio. I therefor believe the statement to be accurate. Espen Sirnes (talk) 12:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I does seem to me to be a difference between facts that needs to be verified from authoritative sources (who said what etc), and facts that can be derived directly (i.e. mathematical) as I have now done in the talk page. Thanks anyway. Espen Sirnes (talk) 13:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, please can you arbitrate/help with the problem of an unknown user continually undoing/making edits without discussion on the Peter Hitchens talk page ? Please see the talk page history which acts on WP:FORUM. There is a section to discuss and some consensus but unknowns keep reverting. Many thanks. Mimi (yack) 13:37, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello Editor!
My name is Mark Bowman and I am the son of "Joe Bowman(marksman)" as listed on your site.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Bowman_(marksman)
I did not originally create this page, but have done many edits to it for accuracy and improved content by adding our family photos of which I own. There is also another Joe Bowman who was a baseball player in the early 1900's, so my father needs another descriptor in his master title listing as the original presenter of the content created.
However, I would like to request an edit in the master listing of Joe Bowman (marksman).
Could we change the offfical listing to "Joe Bowman (The Straight Shooter)" or "Joe Bowman (Sharpshooter)" with a capital "S" as a second choice. The current listing of "(marksman)" is probably not the best way to look him up. "The Straight Shooter" designation was part of his public name. Also, the word Sharpshooter, (with a capital "S") is the title The New York Times article listed him as instead of "marksman"
Can you change to either of the two choices above, as I can not edit a master listing or name header. Thank you!!! Mark Bowman, Austin, TX, (email removed) Markbow (talk) 14:56, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia info advises do not bite new users and that a user subpage may be used as a sandbox.
If a new user subpage is created and an editor (Sebaz86556) deletes it how can editorial messages be reviewed? Why doesn't page appear in deletion log?
--Skatein2009 (talk) 16:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)— Skatein2009 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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