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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 22:08, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Jesus: Empty tomb → Empty tomb  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is the result of a poor attempt at disambiguation in 2007. I don't think this is a plausible search term, but it was the title of the article for about a year and a half. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:15, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Formatted this awkward way, I'd think that we're talking about a book's title or a documentary's name or something like that. Deletion seems like the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:08, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as useless, even though it is a redirect from a move ([1] followed by [2]). – Fayenatic London 22:36, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 22:09, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• The Spirit Guide → The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target, and the title itself is vague in its nature. Steel1943 (talk) 16:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. I don't see it in the Zelda wikia either. I do see stuff like Spirit Temple though. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:07, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 22:09, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• The legend of zelda ocarina of time. → The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely and WP:COSTLY due to the period at the end. Steel1943 (talk) 16:34, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:24, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I agree. This seems useless. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:08, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 22:09, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• N64 zelda → The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Zelda 64 → The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Zelda n64 → The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Zelda64 → The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Could also refer to The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Steel1943 (talk) 16:33, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Overly vague, and just searching for it brings up the 2 N64 Zelda games as the top hits, so it's not necessary to be redirected._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 19:52, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I originally created Zelda 64 as a disambiguation page (back in 2005). A later editor decided, apparently based on Google hits, that "Zelda 64" almost never refers to Majora's Mask. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 20:09, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 22:09, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Oot2d → The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per the redirects history, seems that this title represented a fan remake of the target subject that never was completed or gained notability. Steel1943 (talk) 16:32, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete It's a fan remake [3], but since it's not discussed in the article, this should be deleted AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:31, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. OoT2D as a concept has been around for over 15 years, so I'm not sure I agree that it lacks notability, but it does seem to be vaporware at this point. (The last updates on the website/Facebook page are from mid-2016.) —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 20:19, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • In a situation like this, if notability of the subject can be proven, then at this present time, I'd say that this redirect qualifies for WP:REDLINK deletion. Steel1943 (talk) 00:38, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 22:09, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Трамп → Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Trump is not Russian and has no Russian heritage, and the current target is very inappropriate as it seems to suggest Trump himself has connections to Russia. Iffy★Chat -- 14:07, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:32, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, I found no Cyrillic characters anywhere in the article, let alone this. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 05:18, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:20, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Marko Jovanovic (musician) → Marko Jovanović  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Marko Jovanovic (composer) → Marko Jovanović  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Marko Jovanovic was reverted to a redirect to a disambiguation page per an AfD, making double redirects that were later fixed. There are no other musician or composer articles listed at the target, so now these redirects no longer make any sense. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete both - I agree. The musician doesn't appear to be particularly notable, and so it makes sense for him to neither have a page nor a mention anywhere in a broader article. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:06, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 07:45, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• CAT:TSD → Category:Templates for speedy deletion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Category:Templates for speedy deletion → Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as templates that blatantly misrepresent policy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:XY, could also refer to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as unused redundant templates. Also, the first is a double redirect. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 15:11, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per above. = paul2520 (talk) 15:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate the second using {{Category disambiguation}}, listing the three specific types of candidates (two mentioned in the nomination, and Category:Templates for speedy deletion with incorrect formatting), plus Category:Speedy deletion templates. The shortcut could then be kept. – Fayenatic London 12:47, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have struck one of the suggested categories after checking what it is actually for. It is now a sub-cat of one of the above. – Fayenatic London 23:01, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have un-struck the third because it is no longer a sub-cat, see [4]. – Fayenatic London 08:15, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment for reference: the current redirect originated from the move discussed here in April 2017. – Fayenatic London 20:46, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate per Fayenatic London. A pointer to the correct categories would be more helpful than a redlink. - Eureka Lott 19:07, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Killiondude (talk) 07:20, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• PS/2 → IBM Personal System/2  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per the page views of the redirect's current target versus the page views of PS/2 port, as well as the fact that searching "PS/2" on third party search engines returns more results for the port than the IBM computer line (well, and some results for PlayStation 2, but I have never seen the abbreviation for the video game console using a "/"), there really is no primary topic for this redirect. For that reason, I believe this redirect should be retargeted to PS2 (disambiguation) where the rest of the "PS2" variants are listed. Steel1943 (talk) 18:09, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep IBM PS/2 is primary topic. The PS/2 port is based on the IBM PS/2. The hatnote can go to PS2 (disambiguation) if there are other possibilities to settle. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  @AngusWOOF: This sounds more like a situation where the current target/topic (the computer line) was the original topic, but then its existence led to the creation of a topic that eventually became just as notable (if not more) than its original. This reminds me of the situations that happened with Gouda (the city versus the cheese) and Angus (the region versus the cow breed); the original primary topics, originally at the ambiguous titles, were moved to titles with a comma and their respective disambiguation pages were moved to the base titles due to the notabilities of the cheese and cow breed, respectively. Steel1943 (talk) 23:00, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PS/2 still refers to just those two items of which one is primary topic, so WP:TWODABS applies. If Sony decided to add slashes to its product and start calling them PS/4 or PS/5, leading to retro-labelling of PS2 as PS/2, then I would see a problem. Is there a third item referred to as PS/2? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:08, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I share these thoughts; in addition to not knowing of a third topic that "officially" uses a slash, I don't see any references showing any abbreviation of any PlayStation console using a "/". However, I wonder ... maybe it may not be an official abbreviation for it, but people (who may or may not be readers of Wikipedia) may use a "/" to locate consoles in the PlayStation line (kind of like a common misspelling.) But, I currently cannot find any way to prove this except for the fact that results for "PlayStation 2" show up on third party engines when searching "PS/2" with the slash. Steel1943 (talk) 23:18, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's also a question of whether the PS/2 port is mononymously referred to as "PS/2", which I do not see. It's almost always a PS/2 port or PS/2 connector or PS/2 bus or PS/2 keyboard or PS/2 mouse. The existing hatnotes already cover any generic searches for the Sony product that might have added the slash so they are served as well. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Current redirect makes perfect sense. "PS/2 port" is not shortened to "PS/2"._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 19:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per AngusWOOF and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. - Eureka Lott 19:10, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:19, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Categories: Universities and Colleges in Turkey → List of universities in Turkey  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete Bad precedent, that what may look like it comes from the Category namespace is actually in the article namespace because it is malformed. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:52, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I agree. This doesn't look like it's worth keeping. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:10, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. It would be extremely WP:COSTLY to have one of these for every category. — PinkAmpers&^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 10:53, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fear not, User:PinkAmpersand, there are no more like this. See Special:PrefixIndex/Categories – all other pages with names beginning "Categories" are proper article names, or valid & intentional redirects. As for the Monasteries one discussed below, that was a malformed category creation by Laurel Lodged (talk · contribs) which he moved immediately, see [5]; OK, he ought to have tagged the redirect for deletion, but that presumably did not strike him as important. – Fayenatic London 22:28, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: The proper list was created in 2004. The nominated page was created as a duplicate list in 2006 by Senem, who last edited in 2007. In 2007, JLaTondre (talk · contribs) blanked that list and redirected the page to the proper list. The category page for the same topic is at Category:Universities and colleges in Turkey, not "Categories"; the page creator evidently did not know what he was doing. – Fayenatic London 22:06, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Delete. by User:Fayenatic_london Lenticel ^(talk) 14:39, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Categories:Monasteries suppressed under the Icelandic Reformation → Category:Monasteries dissolved under the Icelandic Reformation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete Leftover cross-namespace redirect resulting from a faulty category creation followed by page move. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:50, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. It would be extremely WP:COSTLY to have one of these for every category. — PinkAmpers&^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 10:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - This appears to have already been deleted, but I'm still going to chime in and state that these really should be gotten rid of when we spot them. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:12, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:18, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Burning path of darkness → Zelda II: The Adventure of Link  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Kasuto → Zelda II: The Adventure of Link  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target. Possibly settings within the target article's subject which are not notable enough to pass WP:GAMEGUIDE with a mention on Wikipedia. Steel1943 (talk) 00:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: No point keeping these redirects if they aren't mentioned at the target. --SnorlaxMonster 00:58, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Notable athlete Mujandjae Kasuto could possibly be known as just "Kasuto". CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:11, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:17, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• First Zelda → The Legend of Zelda (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The first Zelda → The Legend of Zelda (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The redirects are not alternative names for the target. That, and this target is not the first Zelda; that claim probably goes to someone with the given name. Steel1943 (talk) 00:35, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: These titles seem to be excessively descriptive and informal to be redirects. --SnorlaxMonster 00:58, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not an expression used in any of the Zelda games. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:34, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete both - I agree. These don't seem appropriate. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:08, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Killiondude (talk) 07:17, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• The Hyrule Fantasy: Zelda no Densetsu → The Legend of Zelda (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Legend of Zelda 2: Rinku no Bōken → Zelda II: The Adventure of Link  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Link no Bouken → Zelda II: The Adventure of Link  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely search terms due to mixed languages used in the redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 00:33, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep all. The Japanese titles for these games use mixed languages, see for instance this JP cover for The Legend of Zelda. Link no Bouken is similarly the Japanese subtitle for Zelda II.--Alexandra IDV^talk 00:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Alexandra IDV: Looking at the incoming redirects to Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, I thought the Japanese subtitle was actually "Rinku no Boken". Steel1943 (talk) 01:49, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: In my experience, English renderings of Japanese names that use the original English word for loanwords while simply romanizing hiragana is fairly common. As I recall, I created the redirect Link no Bouken because I was going through a list of game titles on which it showed up, and I wanted to easily find out what the game was. There's an even stronger case for The Hyrule Fantasy: Zelda no Densetsu, since the original Japanese actually uses Latin letters to render that title. The Legend of Zelda 2: Rinku no Bōken is a weird mixing of languages, and I have no opinion on that one. --SnorlaxMonster 00:58, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The Legend of Zelda 2: Rinku no Bōken per Alexandra IDV; actual box artwork (e.g. zh:檔案:Zelda2.jpeg) and in-game title screen had an English main title and a Japanese subtitle (of which this is a correct romanisation). No opinion on the other two; which are non-standard mixed spellings. "Zelda no Densetsu" (though not the full phrase "The Hyrule Fantasy: Zelda no Densetsu") is somewhat widespread in news articles, but Link no Bouken seems to be used almost exclusively on illegal ROM download websites (one of them had an idiosyncratic habit of spelling wasei-eigo and katakana-ised names in English rather than in standard Japanese romanisation, and I guess all the others copied it). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 10:52, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the other two as well given that MOS:JA#General guidelines point #2 recommends this style of romanisation: For transliterations from katakana, use the English spelling if available (e.g., Thunderbird (サンダーバード, Sandābādo) instead of just Sandābādo). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 18:16, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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