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The Tale of the Three Beautiful Raptor Sisters, and the Prince Who Was Made of Meat

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Plenty of Google hits on blogs and lists which confirm this exists, but only passing mentions in reliable, independent sources. Can't find a specific guideline for short stories but doesn't meet WP:NBOOK. Orange sticker (talk) 15:47, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Hugo award nominee will have been discussed in combination with the other nominees in appropriate RS articles. Even if we can't find them because they're on paper or paywalled, I'm sufficiently confident that the sources exist based on its nomination for a major award. Jclemens (talk) 23:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The story that won in the same category that year doesn't have an article, nor many of the other nominees or winners from other years. I'm not disputing the notability of the author, just this story as I've done quite a thorough WP:BEFORE. Orange sticker (talk) 00:23, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yuri Sakazaki

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I am sorry to the author for working on this article so hard, but unfortunately, it has zero WP:SIGCOV. I tried to do WP:BEFORE, but found nothing. I believe that Den of Geek is a bit good for content, but it isn't enough. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:56, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Somebody added two sources to the talk page but I'm not sure if they work.Tintor2 (talk) 17:36, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since I didn't understand the Portuguese sources that welll, I found some articles primarily focused around her in KOF and added them to reception.Tintor2 (talk) 18:43, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to User:Kazama16, I managed to provide another scholar analysis of the character.Tintor2 (talk) 22:29, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - There's several sources besides the Den of Geek ones discussing her importance, even before the recent additions, none of which the nominator addresses. It's a big improvement from the article that was merged many months back. To say it has "zero SIGCOV" is misguided, at best. MoonJet (talk) 22:58, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I will give Tintor2 the benefit of doubt that there are more sources discussing Yuri Sakazaki a bit more in-depth out there (i.e. talks of about she feels to play in every game she had made an appearance) and given the work he has done with Ryo Sakazaki, this has potential to remain as a stand-alone article. Roberth Martinez (talk) 21:29, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rebecca Chambers

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As to someone who is very familiar with the Resident Evil series, I feel like Rebecca is pretty much on borderline when it comes to notability. I was hesitating about this article and asked Piotrus. [1] is the only sigcov, while this one [2] just only states that the creator hates her. Others were just listicles/rankings and passing mentions. I couldn't find even more sources per WP:BEFORE. I know this is GA, but I don't think this one passes unlike Barry Burton. I do promise that I will bring this article back from the dead after the rumored Resident Evil Zero remake is dropped. I want your opinions about this if this should be kept or merged. No hard feelings! Thanks! 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 02:52, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Having looked at the sources that mention her in their headings, in addition to the SyFy source linked above, only [3] from TheGamer can be argued to be SIGCOV-meeting, but it is also a crappy listicle. So yes, this is very borderline, GNG-wise. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:44, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of Resident Evil characters. Given the nominator's extensive history with Resident Evil characters (Nice job with all the FAs, btw), I trust they have done adequate research and a BEFORE on the character, and the current sources seem largely trivial. The few non-trivial sources, as well as what conception info exists, can be merged to the character's entry on the list as an AtD. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 05:01, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge The WP:SIGCOV does not seem to be there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per all. User:Boneless_Pizza! has been doing a lot to improve this topic area and I agree with that most of the reception is built from WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs. Merge is an WP:ATD that leaves the door open should we find something better than a listicle, after a future game maybe. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:30, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of X-Men: The Animated Series and X-Men '97 adaptations

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Beyond being a largely WP:INDISCRIMINATE list that is only supported by a few sources (largely for the X-Men '97 portion) and can be considered trivia, this information seem better suited to note, if applicable and notable, in each series' respective articles rather than its own article (I do believe X-Men '97 already has some of this information in its "Writing" section). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:51, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Comics and animation, and Lists. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Lorstaking (talk) 15:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the portions referenced to secondary sources to X-Men: The Animated Series and X-Men '97, respectively, in the spirit of WP:AtD. Daranios (talk) 18:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I can't speak with certainty for the original series, but with X-Men 97 there are various articles about the comic book issues/storylines than inspired each individual episode, as well as some of the differences between across mediums. In a few instances, I've seen the same with episodes from the OG cartoon too.--PanagiotisZois (talk) 11:46, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but as I noted, why does this specific list article need to exist then? I've pointed out how this material is already covered at the X-Men '97 article where it is most appropriate. This article is just WP:INDISCRIMINATE. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:55, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No consensus here yet.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:34, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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International Discworld Convention

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WP:BEFORE only showed unreliable sources such as blogs and fan sites, or other passing mentions. This does not have reliable secondary sources to achieve WP:SIGCOV. Jontesta (talk) 19:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relationship disclaimer: In the past I was the webmaster for the International Discworld Convention. The website is hosted on my servers so I still have an indirect connection to them.

Primary sources for the convention are:

https://2018.dwcon.org/
https://2020.dwcon.org/ redirects to - https://2022.dwcon.org/ because the convention had to be skipped that year because of COVID
https://2022.dwcon.org/
https://2024.dwcon.org/

Of course these aren't independent sources, so I understand they don't count :)

It's quite an important convention for fans of the Discworld series of books and other things related to Terry Pratchett. Terry used to attend the conventions until because of his illness the travel became too much for him. And of course the conventions are organised in agreement with the Pratchett estate.

What kind of secondary sources would be appropriate for an event like this? Sjmsteffann (talk) 15:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Would a story published in The Guardian like this one from Ian Stewart (mathematician) or this letter from Elizabeth Alway be helpful? Or a Reddit discussion? Are things like Fancyclopedia or Fanlore useful?

Willing to help make the article better, but careful because I used to be involved and I don't want to mess up or break rules :) Sjmsteffann (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sjmsteffann: WP:Self-published sources are usually not used in Wikipedia, because there is no supervising authority which ensures reliability. So Reddit and wikis (which I think Fancyclopedia and Fanlore are) are not helpful. The Guardian on the other hand is an accepted reliable source according to WP:Perennial sources. There is some qualification there for opinion pieces. So I assume these still contribute to notability, as a reliable source has decided to spend space on the topic, and such pieces just have to be used in accordance with WP:RSOPINION, but additional input would be welcome. Daranios (talk) 19:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't really count Ian Stewart as an independent source for Discworld, as he's one of the coauthors of the Science of Discworld subseries (with Terry Pratchett and Jack Cohen). Adam Sampson (talk) 10:34, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Discworld, or possibly keep, depending on the discussion of sources above. The Hollywood Reporter article only briefly mentions the convention, but can have the same use in the Discworld article than it has in the web article: the convention verifies the importance of the fandom for this fictional universe. More importantly, Fans and Fandom, p. 186-187, which as far as I can tell is a personal overview over such things by a reporter and editor in just that field, has a page on the convention. Daranios (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The Discworld convention is still a premier event in the UK (which attracts attendants from across the Anglosphere), even though Terry passed away ten years ago. It is one...I think of five...current Discworld conventions (not including the North American one, which may or may not return). Terry Pratchett was once the best selling author in the UK (and routinely hit number one spot in the main North American charts) for a time. TP's works routinely pops up in The Best Lists. The legacy of the works is being continued with the production company Narrativia, which is currently adapting Terry's works to screen and telly, Good Omens being a recent large scale production, of this sort, and with books being released with the blessing of Narrativia. The Convention actually grew in the years after Terry’s passing and currently shows no sign of diminishing, it's the opposite, as such it is one of the largest, if not the largest (I don't know for sure) UK conventions of it's type based on a sole author's works.Halbared (talk) 15:46, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Halbared That would be sufficient to keep the article - if you could find RS saying so... (about the convention, because much of your post is about TP, and nobody is suggesting we delete his biography...). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:43, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete. Fails WP:GNG as written. It is plausible this could be rescued, but right now I don't see the sources in my BEFORE. Redirect is problematic; this is mentioned in Discworld and Terry Pratchett, but the mentions are trivial. All that said, I think Discworld fandom might warrant an article, and this could be mentioned there, but sadly, this does not exist. And what we have here is, currently, an entry on a likely non-notable fan organization that did not attract any serious, independent attention. Sorry, folks. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:40, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and expand to Discworld fandom, which can become a merge target for other NN topics. Even if GNG was met, it'd have to be a Gen Con or Origins level convention to escape NOPAGE considerations. Individual conventions are great... but they're better covered in fandom-appropriate articles. Jclemens (talk) 08:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gen con means a general convention? What is 'origins' level con?Halbared (talk) 20:50, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gen Con and Origins Game Fair. Sorry, not trying to be cryptic, those are long running, annual, named national/international-scope conventions. Jclemens (talk) 03:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ta. I can see they're big! 20k. The Discworld con is restricted to 1k so it doesn't change into a shopping centre type thing like Comic Con. I was looking at the List of fan conventions by date of founding, a lot of which don' exist any-more and have the same amount of information as this page, such as Gallifrey One (which is active), I see Dr Who has a fandom page, this may be a workable solution.Halbared (talk) 21:16, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Rename and expand to Discworld fandom, per Jclemens, and add in the content from Draft:The North American Discworld Convention. Brilliant solution, problem solved. BD2412 T 01:36, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I support this solution, and I think the above-mentioned Fans and Fandom may be helpful in expanding on the topic; the Hollywood Reporter article and Discworld and the Disciplines, p. 216, while both very brief, verify that fandom has been going strong as of 2015 and 2012, respectively, and could be used in an introductory sentence on the fandom more globally. Daranios (talk) 16:01, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support the Rename and expand to Discworld fandom as per the great working solution above.Halbared (talk) 20:45, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Science fiction and fantasy

Science fiction and fantasy

The Tale of the Three Beautiful Raptor Sisters, and the Prince Who Was Made of Meat

Yuri Sakazaki

Rebecca Chambers

List of X-Men: The Animated Series and X-Men '97 adaptations

International Discworld Convention

Science fiction and fantasy proposed deletions