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Greyhound Lines has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The redirect WP:MN goes to a section on notability for musical artists - I'm not really sure why it uses the abbreviation MN, it has three additional shortcuts listed already. So this project has WP:MINN and WP:WPMN. Perhaps there's some way to negotiate pointing WP:MN to this project? As a Minnesotan that is definitely the one I would think to use and prefer. Pingnova (talk) 01:10, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm working on a proposed redesign of the WikiProject Minnesota main page (not completed yet), and I think that the subpages also need to be audited. A lot of the content on the current main page would be better as a subpage, and a lot of the existing subpages have not been edited in a long time and may no longer be useful to the project. Part of my proposal is making WikiProject pages as low maintenance as possible so that if the project ever goes dormant again, the remaining content will still be helpful to new users. Here's a list of the subpages and what I think we should do with them.
Wikipedia:WikiProject Minnesota/Cleanup listing - keep, and since the content is from 2010, focus on addressing all of this list first before other cleanup, and eventually delete the page when completed OR merge the leftover cleanup list to an updated cleanup page
Wikipedia:WikiProject Minnesota/Education - DELETE, this is a manually maintained page in danger of getting stale if the project goes dormant or nobody adopts it, last major edit was 2008
Please let me know what you think. If we get consensus, we can remove a lot of old pages and focus on keeping some of the most useful ones updated. I'm pinging @Myotus who has been active as well. Pingnova (talk) 23:59, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for working on a revamp, the main page could use an update. I think we should retain the article alerts and assessment modules on the main page. They're updated by bots and are a good way to monitor article activity and progress. I think we should also add the bot-updated Hot Articles list, which lists the project's most-edited articles from the last week.
As to deletions, the usual practice is to add Template:Historical to legacy pages and preserve them as a history of the project. I think many of those subpages could be marked as such. A lot of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Minnesota/(topic) articles were created by Jonathan Kovaciny early on and don't really get any pageviews.
Maybe this?
I'd also love to see a logo or image that incorporates both Minnesota and Wikipedia at the top of the main page. I seem to remember there was a logo for the user group at one point. gobonobo+c02:25, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with above -- keep everything bot-updated, including mainpage alerts, archive the manual updates. Deleting via turning them into historical archive feels better than full deletion as historical preservation is always a decent plan and we don't know what might be possible in the future
Ok, so edit the historical template onto the manually updated pages. Would it help to move the page names to Wikipedia:WikiProject Minnesota/Archive/[pagename]?
I'll keep the bot updates on my draft of the new main page. Some of the bot updated pages need to be fixed since they were not displaying anything when I last checked - I'm not sure how to do that, so anyone who wants to work on that feel free.
At the moment, Mangoe is working through the massive U.S.A.-wide backlog at the rate of a handful of articles per day, and is currently somewhere in the middle of Indiana.
It takes me a significant amount of time at AFD to research each one against all of the gazetteers and histories.
I had to take a break from systematically working through Kentucky and bringing it into line with what Rennick and Hodge (and others) actually documented (see, for example, Little Goose Creek (Kentucky)).
There are just under 800 bogus claims to forms of settlement that Minnesota does not have, still outstanding, many of which will turn out to be falsely described extinct rural post offices or railroad stations (or even other things) that Wikipedia is misleading the world about.
At this rate, we'll be done in another quarter of a century, far longer than it took to rôte mass-create these articles in the first place.
I'd love to help with GNIS cleanup but I am not sure where to start on actually researching these things -- if the article's only source is GNIS and it's extremely stubby, does that mean just putting it on AFD/deleting? Otherwise, I check against the sources to figure out if it can be merged? For something like Acton, Minnesota I imagine we'd want to just merge info into the township article, because it seems clear that the sources used describe things that happened in Acton township (but that are significant to the Dakota War of 1862, but for others, it seems unclear if there's anything to keep.
I've read the main page on this wikiproject's GNIS cleanup, but is there more detail on the "how-to" of fixing it somewhere else?
The first step is discounting the GNIS information completely, including the article content sourced to it, and finding out what the subject is. This involves all of the county/state history books and contemporary gazetteers.
In the case of Acton, for example, all of the "is an unincorporated community" nonsense gets excised and replaced by "was a village" once you have found the entry for Acton on page 26 of the Syndicate Publishing Company's 1898 Imperial Reference Library and confirmed it with the 1874 Lippincott's gazetteer saying "ACTON, a post-village and township of Meeker co., Minnesota, about 90 miles W. by N. of St. Paul". (You need to check a Lippincott's of the right decade(s).) Lippincott's has a reasonably uniform terminology where "post-village" means a village with a post office and "and township" means that there's the township of the same name incorporating the village.
If you can actually demonstrate with a contemporary 19th century gazetteer that the subject really was a hamlet/village/town/city then the right course is to remove the false description in the introduction, infobox, et al. and put the correct one, verifiable from a good contemporary gazetteer, in its place. Using the past tense not the present tense, of course, unless you can really demonstrate that it is genuinely still there with a modern source. (A lot of Mangoe's AFD nominations come from modern maps and aerial photographs showing that the place isn't there. Then I turn up what it was from a gazetteer. Checking the old gazetteers is better done before the AFD nominations, I suggest. ☺) Acton is basically fields in current aerials, so that does look like past tense.
If you cannot turn up, on the other hand, more than a mere USPS directory listing for something that is only in USPS directories, or in Lippincott's only as a "post-office", or only as a railway station name in contemporary shipping guides, then it's time to think of alternative more drastic courses rather than just fixing lying article introductions so that they don't lie. This will be where you think of merger and how to make something that can only be barely a sentence from a directory listing into part of a larger article of some kind. (Kentucky lends itself to being documented by its creek system, because that's basically, still, how the human geography of the state works. Historically, the post offices have served and wandered along the creeks, and that is how they've been documented. Not quite the same for other states, though.)
Thank you for all of your work @Uncle G! Would you be able to edit the GNIS cleanup page with a guide that explains how project participants can help out? We are trying to become more active, so maybe we can take some of the load off your shoulders. Pingnova (talk) 06:18, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Huntington Bank Stadium has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:28, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]