Talk:Chekiang Province, Republic of China

This article was nominated for deletion on 11 February 2013 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

On 1 June 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Zhejiang (Republic of China). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

How about 1912-1951?

"Chekiang Province, Republic of China" was existed between 1912 and 1951 as well. However, both this article and Zhejiang Province fail to mention that. -- Somebody 03:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Some paragraphs are added in this article. Ricky@36 -- 21:15 11 March 2008 (HKT)
Yes, I too would like to know about Chekiang Province 1912 to 1951 as well (map, administrative capital, etc). I will try to find out and add info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WestNab (talk • contribs) 10:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion?

"Chekiang" is simply a different spelling (Romanization) of "Zhejiang," and was not "abolished." The article is essentially unsourced, with references only to websites, a BBC article, and a passing reference in a book not relevant, which are not Reliable sources. Perhaps some of the material could be incorporated in the the Zhejiang Province article. ch (talk) 20:02, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chekiang is the RoC province which existed until 1955, when the provincial government was abolished, it's something that can only be done by the legislature, it's on the law books somewhere. It has no direct relationship with the Zhejiang Province of the PRC in the terms of law. One refers to Chekiang, Republic of China, other is Zhejiang, People's Republic of China. In terms of law and polisci, these are two seperate and different political entities, their existent even overlaps each other. Liu Tao (talk) 03:21, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clarifying the subject of the article

This article can't seem to make up it's mind about Zhejiang. The disambiguation note calls it a "former province" of the ROC, while the lede sentence uses present tense and claims that the province still de jure exists. While it's true that the ROC has never given up claims to be the legitimate government of China, the ROC's Zhejiang province no longer exists. The article clearly states that it was abolished in 1955. The ROC constitution technically forbids getting rid of province, but that is exactly what has in practice happened. This article should focus on the period when all or part of Zhejiang was actually part of the ROC (i.e., 1912-1955), and simply note that the ROC continues to claim rightful sovereignty over the province. It should not use present tense to describe a government that no longer exists. SilverStar54 (talk) 19:26, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 June 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. No consensus for the move despite multiple relists with minimal participation after them. (non-admin closure) Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 18:20, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chekiang Province, Republic of China → Zhejiang (Republic of China) – Although the ROC Constitution means that this province *technically* still exists, the majority of this article is (and should be) about the provincial government that existed from 1912-1955. "Zhejiang" is used by the vast majority of modern historians when discussing the province during the Republican period. A few examples: [1], [2], [3]. The use of "Chekiang" is limited to older works and the minority of recent works that use Wade-Giles throughout. I have yet to find a work that uses pinyin as a default but makes an exception for this province. Wikipedia generally and China-related articles specifically prefer the name in common use rather than the official name, so even if the official ROC name of this province is "Chekiang", the pintyin name should still be used. SilverStar54 (talk) 20:03, 1 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 22:05, 8 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 01:05, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose only one of those three sources deals with the province of that time, whereas the other two deals with the province through time, so would necessarily use the modern Communist Province name. If we are to examine this, the sources used to name this topic should not be sources dealing with the post-1950 era, as those would all use the modern form of the name for the province throughout time, instead of dealing with its form at the time, as a book restricted to a particular time period would. You can see that with books dealing with past dynasties, where books covering the whole history use modern names, but books dealing with particular dynasties use the name found in that dynasty. As this province technically exists, we can either use the name that Taiwan currently renders it as, or we can use the name as it was rendered at the time, and found in books that deal only with that time period. -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 22:51, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Even if we restrict ourselves to sources dealing exclusively to the Republican period, the overwhelming majority of contemporary sources use Zhejiang, not Chekiang. Since 1980, Google Books finds 120,000 results for republican china "zhejiang" and merely 13,400 results for republican china "chekiang". A small sample:
The academic consensus to use pinyin for historical placenames is overwhelming, including for the Republican period specifically. SilverStar54 (talk) 00:44, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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