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The English name of the city is Gdańsk so the English name of the political body is Free City of Gdańsk'
The English name of the city today is Gdańsk; the English name when it was a free city was Danzig. Ergo, Free City of Danzig is correct. No English speakers referred to the city as Gdańsk before 1945. Nor did the inhabitants of Danzig. But the city of Danzig no longer exists – nor do its inhabitants, with a few exceptions (Cf. Günter Grass).
Sca 21:45, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
We do not write this encyclopedia in 1945 but now, ergo "Free City of Gdańsk" is correct. Also 15% of its inhabitants called it Gdańsk. Space Cadet 22:07, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
And, however, the vote clearly states to use Danzig. Ameise -- chat 02:11, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Dzień dobry, Space Cadet! Co słychać?
Yes, we ARE WRITING (English present perfect tense, my friend) it now, but we are writing about something that doesn't exist now -- something which formerly existed as the Freie Stadt Danzig, which was universally known IN ENGLISH as the Free City of DANZIG, and we are writing it for the ENGLISH Wikipedia. Changing borders and populations is possible; changing history is not. (Cf.The Danzig Trilogy, by Günter Grass -- not "the Gdansk Trilogy," etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum, and so forth, blah blah.)
Czesc!
PS: Following your own logic, I assume you refer to the capital of Lithuania as Vilnius, not Wilno, right?
Sca 19:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
"WE ARE WRITING" is Present Continuous, not Present Perfect, my friend. Present Perfect would be "WE HAVE WRITTEN". I can't believe I have to educate you on the basics of English language. I guess, I overestimated you. But going back to the case, let's see if You can follow this (I'm typing slowly, because I know you're reading slowly):
Côte d'Ivoire used to be called in English "Ivory Coast", but now, even in reference to that period in history, we consistently use Côte d'Ivoire. Do ... you ... under - stand?
Finally the case of Vilnius: I am a strong supporter of consistent use of names such as Vilnius, Lviv and Hrodna. As soon as we straighten out Gdańsk (and the Free City of Gdańsk, for that matter) I will immediately edit Emilia Plater to say that she was born in Vilnius. You have my word. Cześć! Space Cadet 21:36, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia naming convention (binding) suggests to use the English name or the native name: Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Use_English_words Use English words Convention: Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is more commonly used in English than the English form. Rationale and specifics: See: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)
For the current dicussions on the propoised standards plase also see also:
Mestwin of Gdansk 00:50, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The "Free City of Danzig" is a historical entity. That is it's name, when it existed, in the 19th and early 20th century. Changing it is rewriting history and nonsensical. Maximus Rex 01:16, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This should be named after whatever its official title was at the time. Are we to rename the Battle of Stalingrad to the Battle of St Petersburg because that is its name now? G-Man 01:22, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Er...Battle of Volgograd. St Petersburg was Leningrad. john 01:29, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
My apologies :) G-Man 13:28, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Agree with Maximus Rex. Practice at en has been to use historical names in their historical period anyway, though with a mention of current names, so the change doesn't fit our usual naming practices. Jamesday 00:31, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)
There is some small discrepancies between the english and the polish article concerning population of Free City of Danzig. According to the english article about the interwar period 90% of population was german and 4-8% of population was polish. According to the polish article 10% of the population was polish, german population was in majority.
We've repeatedly had discussion over whether this article should be at Free City of Danzig or Free City of Gdansk. The consensus was pretty strongly in favor of the former. As such, it is extremely poor behavior to repeatedly revert to Free City of Gdansk without any discussion, especially since this amounts to a cut and paste move. If you think it should be changed, feel free to go to Wikipedia:Requested moves and suggest it, or discuss it here on the talk page. I doubt you'll have much luck, but obviously you have every right to argue whatever position you want. What you don't have the right to do is willfully ignore consensus and engage in a revert war in order to secure your preferred presentation. Extremely poor behavior. john k 18:25, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Space Cadet, for being mature about this. You'll notice that my remark was not directed as to the merits of using either name, but directed rather to questions of process. Of course, I disagree with the substance, but as I said in my post, anyone has the right to suggest that we title it another way. I'm happy to argue aimlessly with you about it for a few days, if you'd like. My point was that just doing cut and past moves and engaging in revert wars, when you don't have a consensus for the change, is bad form and bad behavior. john k 20:57, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
"One of the major tools of the program of mass expulsion were the so called Bolesław Bierut laws. The Bierut laws declared all mobile and immobile private property of ethnic Germans as Polish state property. Every inhabitant was only allowed to take a bag containing no more than 20 kg of private belongings, excluding watches, money and other goods of value. The Bierut laws also declared all crimes including rape and murder against Germans as legal. [...] Till today the Republic of Poland declines to prosecute these war crimes or to resturn stolen private property. Both crime complexes constitute a massive violation of the The Hague Landwar Convention (of 1907) which was signed by Poland in 1920."
This was added by Matthead. After removal, it was reverted back by Chris_73. The text above was taken from some German propaganda. Chris_73 is also known for many other controversial actions like removing information on Wehrmacht war crimes or renaming Polish cities names to German names. They both are from Germany. Unfortunately Chris_73 is an admnistrator, so there's nothing we, humble users, can do about the German pov articles. I know I'll be banned by Chris for this, but I had to get attention of English administrators. (by User:Ak47K)
Yes, maybe we should have an article on Bierut decree, but I'm afraid that someone is going to write some lies again. In Bierut decree there's nothing about 20 kg of private belongigs or all crimes against Germans to be legal(are you serious!?). Bierut decree (known as Warsaw decree, rarely used, because of another Warsaw decree) is about rebuilding Warsaw only, so it shouldn't even be here on Danzig article. By Bierut decree former owners have been disowned from their right to ownership (Poles, Germans, everyone) - in order to rebuild Warsaw. This law is still valid (no comment on this one).Ak47K
You left the most controversial sentence and there's rather a big difference beetwen German and English aritcles. I suggest to write about this sentence just like it is in the German wiki: Abusing placed at the German population were exempt from punishment.Ak47K
Yes, it's ok now. Thank you. Ak47K
Estimated by whom ? I want a credible researcher or comission with citations since it seems like German nationalist propaganda. --Molobo 13:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
What war crimes ? Please name comission, scholary evidence and with citations please. Also this seems a bit impossible-I don't think any Polish troops were located at Gdańsk-with most of them being Germany at the time. Please name Soviet units and Polish ones that are supposed to be involved and trials or research against them. --Molobo 11:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Again. According to whom ? Please show documented and credible research proving they were mass rapes and executions. Again with citations pleas. -Molobo 11:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Not really, those with technical knowledge were always chosen or even forced to remain.This statement is untrue. --Molobo 11:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
First of all ALL Polish citizens had their property confiscated, so its POV to single out Germans.
--Molobo 11:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
I've just given the section on the Napoleonic-era state a bit of a polish, and noticed in passing that it was stated as having come to an end on "22 January 1813/1815". The "1815" part presumably refers to the Congress of Vienna (although I can't find a reference to the city in the Final Act?), but the first date seems extraordinarily precise. Can someone provide some details regarding this? Silverhelm 05:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC).
As of this moment, the article states, "In May 1933, the Nazi Party won the local election in the city." This doesn't sound right. Typically, a party might win control with a certain number/percentage of seats in play, but a party does not win an election per se. The next sentence says, "they [the Nazis] received 57 percent of the vote," which suggests they won 57 percent of the seats in an unspecified body. What was the election in question? A city council? The Senate of Danzig (which is referenced in another article linking to this page)? The election details should be specified. The answer might be something like, "In May 1933, the Nazi Party took control of the Senate of Danzig in an election where it won 57 percent of the seats." However, not knowing the details and not having any reference books about this subject, I don't want to make the edit myself. Perhaps someone with greater knowledge of this period and subject can edit accordingly. 207.69.137.207 06:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Since this article currently covers two city states based around Gdansk, would it make sense to have two separate articles instead? As for article names, I suggest:
This article, in its current form, describes the 20th century state more than the one from the 19th. By splitting the article, both states can be given equal emphasis. - 52 Pickup 18:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
The article Government in exile mentions that there was a government in exile of the Free City of Danzig. But there is no indication of that in the article itself. Any clarifications? --Soman (talk) 23:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
For Selbstschutz and Nazi organisation preparing to organise atrociites during Invasion of Poland.--Molobo (talk) 21:23, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
It is missing section here, but present at the Polish wikipedia article (there were de facto solutions only, federal government answer for parliamnetary question concerning current status of FDC can be helpful also: Antwort der Bundesregierung).Dotz Holiday (talk) 21:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
oh god. ths beeing written by the "PDS" an party which is in Germany being monitored by the feds because of some of their tendencies against the constitution (Verfassungsfeindliche). this true that the former German territories including Danzig which were put under Polish control in 1945 were exactly that, put under their control not seceded to Poland. Poland being puppet by the Soviet Union used their powers to annex the territories. Now without deciding if this was right or wrong one should ask oneself thefollowing question: if somebody hit someone els, considered right by law to take away everything his family owns without compensation? And now consider yourself the person who for some reason be it right or wrong was the one which hit the other person.... It should not be a question if one should revise the borders between Germany and Polandand if Polen should pay the victims and their families reimbursements. It should only be the question if it is morally right for Poland to finally admit to their actions and openly teach the truth in their classrooms that Poland annexed these territories. Of course most people voicing such opinions are unfortunately extremists and not people in their right mind. Luckily it is also the opinion of not just some Germans in their right mind but also of a small intellectual minority in Poland. at least there is to be hoped that one day both nations and their ethnic groups will not blame each other, but far more just admit to their past by saying: that's the way it was and is no more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.51.160.47 (talk) 20:07, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
...inserted by an anon user.radek (talk) 23:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
This: "Poland also protested the Free City's workers joining the International Labour Organization". The Wobblies (God bless'em) were a fairly radical labor union (banned in US for awhile I believe) so it's not surprising that a government or someone somewhere would object to them but it's unclear what is meant by "Poland protested" - the Polish government? The Polish workers? Additionally, was this significant or was it just opposition to radical labor typical of almost all European and North American governments of the time? The text tries to play this off as some kind of an ethnic conflict but in all probability it was a political one and it's not clear what parties exactly were involved.radek (talk) 22:26, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
i'd politely ask HerkusMonte and the IP number 88.73.255.55 from Germany to discuss the changes before introducing a shocking number of 13 nationalistic POV edits like today. thanks. Loosmark (talk) 10:51, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Funny how you call everyone who doesn't agree with your ridiculous polish propaganda POV a Nazi and than cry about ad hominem attack when the backlash hits, Loosmark. Whatawho has cleary stated what he has edited and why he edited these points and all of his edits are valid. If you have any substantive criticism about them than bring it forward instead of calling people nazis and avoid referring to what others said. But your own edits (calling the natural wish of the Germans of Danzig who have been separated from their country to remain German "nationalist spirit"/deleting the fact that this separation was against the will of the population etc.) already show that your interested in nothing but POV pushing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.186.208.79 (talk) 19:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
The article currently uses a book by Reinhard Haferkorn as a source. Haferkorn joined the NSDAP on 1 May 1933 and was assessed as a "trusted National Socialist", in WWII he worked at the Foreign ministry, departement for English affairs in cooperation with Lord Haw-Haw (see Anglistik und Amerikanistik im "Dritten Reich"), I don't think such a source is reliable and removed these parts. HerkusMonte (talk) 18:36, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
(I guess the Germans are responsible for everything)
Instead of mentioning who ended the tariff war, you have replaced this with the vague "in the aftermath of the non-agression pact.." (which also fails to acknowledge that it was the Nazis who engineered the pact). Then, reading on, we learn that relations improved, which led Hitler to instruct the local Nazi government to cease "anti-polish actions". What exactly are "anti-polish" actions? Are ending the tariff war and signing a non-agression pact not already the opposite of "anti-polish actions"? Yet you have attributed the end of anti-polish actions to the improvement of G-P relations..
Other points:
--188.106.6.243 (talk) 19:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
to make it brief: to say that it is against international law is a personal opinion which might be justified. Yet it cannot be and should not be up till now held as a fact. The reason being, that this city was not part of Hitler Germany nor a part of the second Polish Republic. There with it is from today's point of view difficult to say if these were, as one would say today, legal combatants. Anyone who has attended any lectures on international (criminal) law might remember that the Geneva Convention et alia only apply to Armed Forces and like of an internationally recognized state, and not civilians taking up arms within their own country.Of course this makes a little bit difficult for us, since the Polish post workers were sent to Danzig. Now one could argue that these post workers were Polish civil servants and acting in line with their duty to take up arms and therefore had to be treated according to international treaties and law. In this case one should also then conclude that these were legal combatants on foreign soil without its approval. Giving the city of Danzig to act in self-defense prior to September 1 and any time thereafter. This of course is would not excuse any execution both the league forbidden by the international law.
On the other hand one can argue that these Post workers were residents,not necessarily citizens, of the city of Danzig working for the Polish post office. In that case they would be considered civilians. In the Wikipedia text it is mentioned that they are such, civilians. If they were civilians they could be considered in today's understanding as unlawful combat combatants or maybe even terrorists, pending on the view. In those days one would more say that they are/were Spies, partisans, criminals, maybe even traitors or terrorists. In that case their execution without trial is from today standing morally condemnable, maybe was against national law of the former free city of Danzig, but not against international law!
The topic is quite complex as any able historian or lawyer will be able to confirm. I know way would be able to discuss this topic in such a few sentences sufficiently.
For anyone wishing to go into more detail he or she should first read at least five books by renowned authors which are not laymen, preferably law professors, with contradicting opinions on the topic of international humanitarian law formerly known as international law of war et alia before making a decision if it was against international law. (Yes I have done that,and have been tested at the University concerning exactly such topics. ---- before you guys complain :-))
If if you decide not to study these difficulties please do feel free to voice your opinion, but exactly as that: your opinion! And should be marked as such.
As you can see I did not erase the opinion voiced in the article, I just made clear that exactly this is an opinion and not the court ruling.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
AFB
PS.: Something personal: actually I came across this page doing research and writing up a paper.
And I have repeatedly and repeatedly and repeatedly .... come across webpages including Wikipedia articles which state facts which are just false! Please do remember while reading articles on Wikipedia, that some of them, by far not all, a written by laymen and people who want to influence you.
Thank you again.
And there start the unfortunate implications: 1. That would mean that the actions of the Polish defenders were actually ILLEGAL but that they were not punishable by death since the death penalty was not in force in Danzig. 2. One could also argue that since the Free City joined the Reich per decree of the Senate on 1. September 1939 the Free City and its laws were no longer in force when the defenders where jugded.
Secondly HerkusMonte criticizes that there is note the source, but at the same time lists one source Tomasz (Żuroch-Piechowski:Auxiliary Materials F ) which on the other hand relies the book from Dieter Schenk. if you are so precise a few sources that please name the exact reference number of the verdict in 1995. And third even though the killings were legal also by the laws of the third reich, it would not automatically mean that they were breach of international law !in 1939! Also remember that international criminal law is not a mandatory course in the legal education in Germany. It is Doubt doubt that from dead today's standpoint it constitutes a breach of international law but this is not the question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.51.110.96 (talk) 06:16, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Principles underlying the status of the Free City of Danzig in constitutional and international law Who added this? It was completely unsourced and full of fringe claims accusing Poland of "illegal occupation" and speaking of FCD as it was still in existance. I removed it.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 14:54, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
This edit [5] which created the Religion section really threw the balance of the article off. I'm thinking most of this is undue and too detailed for this article, though it would be fine in a spin off "Religion in the Free City of Danzig" or something like that. Additionally, the info is largely unsourced though a lot of it's detailed enough so that there probably are sources out there (there were/are a few gratuitous POV claims). I'm also going to hesitantly venture a hypothesis (which could be wrong) that some of this is a slightly cleaned up google-translation of some German source, at least in parts it reads like it. The one or two sources that are actually in there appear to be Primary.Volunteer Marek (talk) 22:55, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
The last paragraph of the Lede was confusing. The first half of it was a single sentence that covered events around the Nazi party gaining control in 1933 and events after the start of World War II. I am splitting it into two sentences based on the earlier revisions, but editing by those who know the history would be useful.
I didn't think the observation that the formation of the Reichsgau of Danzig-West Prussia occurred without the approval of Poland or the League of Nations belonged in the Lede. It's pretty obvious since it's a result of the invasion of Poland and it's not mentioned in the article (which the lede is meant to summarise) --Sailfish2 (talk) 08:29, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I deleted the bit about the polish POWs(?) from the post office being shot against international law, because 1) They were civilians and per international law at the time civilians taking up arms could be shot 2) The reference links to a pdf that references a verdict or rather a revision by the court in Lübeck which however was not due to illegality as such but because the penal code used to come to the verdict was not formally in power in Danzig before 19.11.1939. The verdict actually does not take a stance on the legal status of the polish defenders but only claims that they would have had to be jugded under Danzig law which did not include the death penalty. 3) As an extension of 1) the status of the post workers is not clear (or made clear) and as such we cannot say whether they were shot against international law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.135.161.194 (talk) 20:24, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Could someone with access to the Henryk Stępniak source in the Population section please give some dates for the pop stats quoted Rsloch (talk) 10:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
1) In the lede, it was obviously an oversight when it was written that the Free City had been created because Poland needed access to the sea. Poland got access to the sea via the Polish Corridor. The Free City was about giving Poland access to an established port city, not access to the sea
2) where in the text is the example of "widespread organized murder"? It only says that, due to persecutions, most of the city's Jewish population had fled throughout the thirties and that, before that, the city was a mass transit point for mass migration.
3) The Gulden was devalued 40 percent because that made it equal with the Zloty. Where did this information that it was a result of political planning come from?
4) What does this even mean: and Danzig became a springboard for anti-Polish propaganda among the German and Ukrainian minority in Poland.
Re [8]. First, you can't use Wikipedia as a source for itself. Just because the other article says something that doesn't mean it belongs here as well. If anything, what it means, since it's uncited in the other article, is that the other article should be corrected. Second, I don't see any "without the League's permission" anywhere. So that part, at least at this point, is just original research. That's why I said it needs a citation.Volunteer Marek 03:47, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, this edit [9] does "make it inaccurate" as it presents information out of context. When Hitler came to power Polish authorities placed more troops at Westerplatte to see how he would react. He didn't and the Poles withdrew the troops. That's what the source says and overall this is a minor incident. Including it, especially the way you want to present it, is both POV and UNDUE.Volunteer Marek 18:41, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
One of the reasons Wikipedia remains unacceptable in British academia is because of Polish nationalists like Marek who delete the facts and insert instead fantasies. It would be a mistake to think that these ridiculous pages all over Wikipedia which portray history as only Poles see it is not being laughed at. Polish 'history' books, fantasies in themselves, should not be permitted to be used on the English-language Wikipedia. 81.158.111.1 (talk) 18:52, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
It's rather strange that it is not mentioned with a single word in an otherwise rather detailed article, and this before even considering its rather important role as the immediate WWII trigger. How do editors propose to remedy this unacceptable state of affairs? walk victor falk talk 00:59, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Minor note, naming all non-NSDAP parties as "Nazi opposition" is incorrect and actually a common mistake. DNVP was a nationalist, anti-semitic and anti-Polish party that supported and allied itself with the Nazis on more than one occasion. Catholic Centre Party often found itself in agreement with Nazis(while not officially allied) in regards to anti-Polish propaganda of Nazi Germany(it's is ironic but the Catholic Centre Party despite Poles being Catholics was often quite anti-Polish in its views).I have thus made necessary changes.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 18:34, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
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There is so much information upon this page which is factually incorrect and Polish and even communist propaganda. The page is supposed to be specifically about the Free City of Danzig. And that is what it should be about, commencing in 1919. The dressed up history by Polish nationalists before 1919 and after 1945 is irrelevant here as it is nothing to do with the Free State. Such "history" belongs on a general Danzig page. Thanks. 86.159.16.115 (talk) 22:01, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
The map included at the top of the page is incorrect. It refers to Weimar Republic (or Nazi Germany) as "German Empire" Charlesthe50th, supporting monarchy to the ends of the earth. 18:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
"In 1938, the Free City's population of 410,000 was 98% German, 1% Polish and 1% other.[11][13][14] Historical estimates put the proportion of Danzig Poles between at between 10 and 13%.[15][13] In the 1920s and 1930s, the Polish population increased, and the proportion of Poles in the population of the Free City was estimated at around 20% in 1939.[16][10]"
How is it possible that in 1938 the Poles were 1% and in 1939 they were 20%? Can someone check these sources maybe? Allanaaaaaaa (talk) 01:30, 6 October 2023 (UTC)