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It may be worth including a section on noteworthy events held at the various locations. The London venue is often used for press conferences and small gigs. Jamelia played at the venue this month while perhaps the most famous press conference to have taken place there was the shock announcement by German footballer Jurgen Klinsmann that he was leaving Tottenham Hotspurs FC and returning to Germany.--Supergussy 08:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The events that are listed need to be notable and reported by reliable 3rd party sources. Band performances, in and of themselves, are not notable unless it occured as a significant reportable and confirmed moment in the band's career (ex: last performance of xxxxx; performance where xxxx happened, changing the band forever; somebody died; etc). Again, these need to be confirmed by an outside source before being included in WP.SpikeJones 12:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quote: "The Hard Rock Cafe is also routinely associated with Francesca Granata because of the rocky features of her face." I don't think this is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.224.83.65 (talk) 15:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am from Dallas, and there use to be a Hard Rock Cafe in Uptown Dallas, before it was demolished 2 years ago. Now there's a new Hard Rock in Uptown Dallas that opened in July 2009. Can you please add a picture of it, and add it on the list of Hard Rock Restaurants (If its not on the list)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lathens (talk • contribs) 18:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why isn't the Heidelberg (Germany) Cafe on the list? It's not on the official website either. I don't get it - I was there just a couple of days ago!! March 18th 2007.

A: Heidelberg (Germany) is a knock-off store. It has no affiliation whatsoever with the HRC. Yes, it looks just like it. It has merchandise, a nearly identical menu, but it's a complete knock-off restaurant. I have NO idea how they get away with it in a major country like Germany, but it's been there for years.

One dead give away: Try to use your rewards card there. They won't accept it. They can't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Driven01 (talk • contribs) 22:23, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Should "Cafe" be capitalized when used as an abbreviation, as it's part of the name of the chain? SpikeJones 12:31, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes it is a part of the name so it is Hard Rock Cafe / Short HRC Peace keeper II 13:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any point in giving the abbreviation (HRC) since it is only used once in the whole document? --92.25.47.139 (talk) 13:45, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm from West Tennessee and have, for all my life, heard that the first Hard Rock Cafe was opened in Jackson in the mall... Interesting trivia -- I've even seen a t-shirt from the Hard Rock Cafe, Jackson. Several individuals remember the store as being basically a "burger joint" in the mall. I've thought this would be an interesting addition to this article, but have been able to find only one source -- the Jackson Sun (a Gannett paper, I think) -- at http://www.jacksonsun.com/discoverjackson/famous_faces.shtml. This link provides little information and certainly nothing verifiable. Anyone else ever heard anything about HRC and Jackson, TN? --Chiacomo 06:28, 21 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There might have been a burger place named "Hard Rock Cafe" in the mall, but I'll guess that it was a knockoff. It's well documented that the first one was in London and the 2nd one was in NYC.SpikeJones 12:31, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The page that I referenced above is no long available, but the only thing (other than individuals to whom I have spoken who remember the Hard Rock in Jackson) is that Isaac Tigrett is from Jackson (in fact, his family is still prominent in the city). I was told that the original store was placed in Jackson to establish United States trademarks/copyrights or something -- before the international opening in London. I'm continuing to research this -- I'm intrigued. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:43, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The page you referenced is available at google cache, and says this:

Also included here is Isaac Tigrett, son of entrepreneur Frances Tomlin Tigrett and industrialist/developer John B. Tigrett. Isaac Tigrett grew up in Jackson. He created Hard Rock Cafes, which he later sold. The first Hard Rock cafe was opened in Jackson at the mall for six weeks to satisfy a U.S. corporate requirement. The second one was in London. Tigrett has been deeply involved in the Renaissance Center development in Dickson.

For research purposes I would start to see what malls Jackson has had and see if mall management has any historical information. It *should* be in the 1970-1971 time period, as the London branch opened in 1971 (right?). As to "US corporate requirement", that should be a matter of public record. If it were me, I'd just call HRC corporate and ask for the PR/marketing department and ask them directly, quoting from the newspaper article and asking for confirmation.SpikeJones 14:35, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a Jackson native, and I remember it, though the timeline quoted above appears to be a bit messed up. IIRC, it was opened in the Old Hickory Mall in Jackson for a year or so in the early 1980s. I seem to recall from the PR that it was the third one opened. After it left, its space was split between a pipe store and a taco joint, I believe, both of which were more successful. While there may have been another place called the HRC in Jackson early in the 1970s, the interior section of OHM wasn't built until the late 1970s and I wasn't born until 1972, so it would be tough for that one to have been it. Jdb1972 17:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I grew up in West Tennessee and it was opened up in the Old Hickory Mall by Isaac Tigrett in the early 80's. It only was there for a year or so, and was in a very small space. The story I heard (from a close High School friend of Tigrett's) was that it was a test bed to see if they would do well in smaller mall locations. I do recall they had memorabilia on the walls, such as one of Elvis Presley's black leather motorcycle jackets and a gold record or two though I can't recall from which musical artist. One of my high school English teachers had a sweatshirt with the Hard Rock Cafe logo and below it "New York, Jackson, London" listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tikifire (talk • contribs) 17:44, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Jackson, TN location was the first HRC location in the United States, and second in the world. It was open for a short time in 1983 when Isaac Tigrett returned to Jackson, TN, where he was raised. info is from http://www.jacksoncarnegie.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by MissChievousNess (talk • contribs) 22:12, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is Hard Rock Café really a current event? To my knowledge, the company isn't particularly in the media at the moment, and I don't suppose that all currently existing organisations qualify for the Current Event tag? --Thf1977 22:31, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The person who added that tag said the one in London was on fire. But he didn't expand on it. Mackerm 07:04, 12 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It *was* on fire. Not anymore. [1] SpikeJones 12:31, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There should be a criticism section. Many diehard fans of the chain know that there have been many changes to the restaurants that haven't been good.

If you can find unbiased, fact-based critiques of HRC that would support an encyclopedic discussion, then feel free to add it. Adding commentary created by "diehard fans" will be considered "original research" or POV, is frowned upon by WP standards, and will be removed by the editors.SpikeJones 03:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I remember my brother coming back from a school sports trip and complaining that the Hard Rock Cafe they visited was playing "Hips Don't Lie". I think if there are other Cafe's doing this as well (I don't know which one it was, but it was mostly likely either Egypt or somewhere in western Europe, not very descriptive, sorry), it may be worth including as that I'm sure many people besides just me and my brother feel that this is a sell-out move to attract customers. I don't think my story should actually be included, but I'm just throwing it out there to check if there are similar incidents occurring. Xanofar (talk) 05:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The food at HRC is actully not prepared in microwaves, but on the grill and in open ovens There are some dishes, like the pastas that are microwave heated but they are few. Its embarassing to read an article so badly informed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.234.41.130 (talk) 16:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bunch of fake crap at hard rock cafes, they should research their junk before spreading lies aboot imposter items. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.84.88 (talk) 05:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I've initiated a drastic cleanup of the article. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertisement and the tone of the article was absolutely unacceptable. I will continue to aggressively remove all content that is unsourced and fix parts that are clearly biased. I intend to strip the article to its basic core from which it may be rebuilt according to the core policies of the encyclopedia. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 15:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not able to edit this page, but if someone has sufficient privileges could you please replace "Image:HK Hard Rock.JPG|Hard Rock Cafe, Hong Kong" with "Image:HK Hard Rock.JPG|Hard Rock Cafe, Hong Kong (now closed)" Gentleman wiki (talk) 00:34, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I work at the HRC and going on my 10th year there. August 11th will be my 10th anniversary with the Hard Rock Cafe. Looking forward to that Rolex.. :) Anyhow.. I am coming up with a list of the food we have served over the past 10 years at our location, and was wondering if there is an online archive of sorts that I am missing. I 'googled' here and there, and no real results. I have a good list of the food already, but wanna see if there is anything I am really missing that I need to add. Thx.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antykain (talk • contribs) 17:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Is there a reason why the list of Hard Rock Cafes and the Gallery are subsections of Music memorabilia? There appears to be little or no relation between the former two and the latter. I think it would make more sense to make the list a seperate section (to clarify: I mean a section of the current article, not a seperate article) and the gallery (which almost exclusively contains photos of the venues themselves, not of the memorabilia) either a seperate section as well or a subsection of the list. Any thoughts on this?
• The HRC in Hong Kong is closed for relocation and therefore crossed out in the list of venues, but Hong Kong is not listed as a planned cafe, although Hard Rock do claim to be looking for a new location in Hong Kong. If nobody objects I'd like to add Hong Kong to the list as "planned", obviously including a reference to the statement on the HRC website (which can be found here).
• The Macau venue is mentioned in the list but appears to be out of order, assuming the list is sorted by estalishment date. If nobody objects I'd like to move it to between Venice and New Delhi.
• Is there any particular rhyme or reason as to why some venues are wikilinked (to the cities/locales they're in) and others are not?
• The list of venues is quite long (presumably 150+ entries). Seeing as it's already in table format, would it be a good idea to make it collapsible?

Regards, Skysmurf (talk) 16:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's been about half a month and no-friggin'-body bothered to even say anything, so I've made the changes, except for the location wikilinking. If nobody responds I'll gradually start wikilinking all the locations in the list, starting later this week. Skysmurf (talk) 02:02, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've started the wikilinking process. I can't do the entire list at once, but I'll try to do 10 to 20 or so locations at a time. Skysmurf (talk) 15:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two other things:

• The list contains Hard Rock Cafes only, no other venues such as Hard Rock Bars, Hard Rock Hotels, etc. This would mean that Macau has to be removed, as it's not a Cafe. The other option is to add the Bars, Hotels etc. to the list too. Please let me know what you think is better.
• The picture in the List of Cafes section limits the width of the table, which may look a bit odd on some netbooks. However, there's not enough text preceding the table for using {{clear}}. Can the picture be moved somewhere or does anybody have another suggestion?

Skysmurf (talk) 15:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing: the list of Hard Rock Cafes mentions "planned" locations that I find at least questionable, if not bl**dy unlikely. As I'm progressing down the list wikilinking the locations (and verifying opening and/or closing dates) I'll probably get to the "planned" part of the list soon. I'm inclined to say that in order to be mentioned on the list as a planned HRC location a decent citation is needed. In other words, unless I hear convincing arguments otherwise, planned HRC locations will be removed if they're not sourced. Feedback and counter-arguments are of course appreciated. Skysmurf (talk) 00:01, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there a picture of Mick Jaggers star on the Walk of Fame ? How is this relevant ? Dylan (talk) 12:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you look closely at it, you'll see that it has a Hard Rock logo on it. I haven't actually been there (yet), but apparently that particular Hard Rock Cafe has a Walk of Fame of its own. Hope this helps, Skysmurf (talk) 14:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Besides wikilinking all locations (finally done!), I have made the following changes:

• As much as possible, I've stuck to the names that Hard Rock use for their venues, except for minor spelling corrections (e.g. the use of accents as in Reykjavík vs. Reykjavik).
• In some cases, the wikilinks point to a more specific locale than the name used by Hard Rock, particularly if the latter is the name of an entire country rather than a city. For example, the wikilinks for Fiji and Bahrain point to Nadi and Manama, respectively. If you wish to change this, please discuss it here first because several entries will have to be changed consistently.
• The venues that had already been commented out have now been fully removed. I didn't see the need to keep them around.
• The Orlando Vault entry has been removed, because it wasn't a Cafe.
• As mentioned earlier, I have now removed the "planned" entries that were unsourced, on grounds of being speculation. The remaining planned venues are actually confirmed by Hard Rock.
• The Tijuana and Toronto Skydome venues have closed in the meantime. Fixed.
• Sydney and Berlin have been relocated, but only the old locations were mentioned in the list. Fixed.
• Bahrain, Glyfada (new), Macau (planned), Managua (already closed) and Tampa (planned) were missing. Fixed.

Currently, the list only contains cafes, not hotels, bars etc. We could add a second list with those venues, there aren't that many of them. Anyone who can think of a good reason pro or against, feel free to voice your opinions here. Skysmurf (talk) 00:42, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There was a HRC in Central, Hong Kong for a while. It does not yet appear in the list of locations. The one in Kowloon, apparently closed in 2000, reopened after a while in Silvercord, facing Canton Road, in Tsim Sha Tsui (also in Kowloon), until 2008. At some point it seems to have been renamed from "Kowloon" to "Hong Kong". There was also a Planet Hollywood nearby for a while. Since a few years, there has been a retail outlet on Victoria Peak. Apparently a new Cafe just opened in Lan Kwai Fong, again in Central, Hong Kong, but not at the same location as the previous Central one. olivier (talk) 20:35, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It all sounds rather complicated. Can you find any sources for anything? That would probably help. --Skysmurf (talk) 21:15, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I added the reference for the 2008 closure in this edit (October 2009). For the rest, the information I just gave on this talk page is based on personal knowledge and this website. This is primary research and a non reliable source. That's why I did not add this information to the article. It might help contributors interested in doing the reference search though. olivier (talk) 22:10, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It will try to make it clear this time:

[Not listed in the article] There was a HRC in Central, Hong Kong, that operated from 1995 to 1999. Its address was B-G/F, 11 Chater Road, Swire House, Central, Hong Kong. It had to close when Swire House was demolished to be replaced by the current Chater House. Here are 2 links documenting its existence: a picture and a restaurant listing last updated in 1996. It was distinct and across Victoria Harbour from the Hong Kong Kowloon HRC.

[Relocation not mentioned in the article] The Hong Kong Kowloon HRC operated from 1994 to 2000 in "The Toy House" building [2] at G-3/F, 100 Canton Road, Tsim Sha Tsui, Kowloon, Hong Kong (picture, Restaurant listing last updated in 1996 and the outdated by the time of publication The Rough Guide to Hong Kong & Macau, p. 261, Mar 28, 2002). In 2000, the restaurant was relocated to the nearby Silvercord building and its new address was G-1/F, 30 Canton Road, Tsim Sha Tsui, Kowloon (picture, Frommer's Hong Kong, Feb 25, 2005). It operated in this location until November 24, 2008.[3] [4]

A new HRC opened on April 18, 2011 at LG/F LKF Tower, 55 D'Aguilar Street, Lan Kwai Fong, Central, Hong Kong.[5] [6]

[Not listed in the article] There is also a HRC shop, not a restaurant, selling only memorabilia, at Level 1, The Peak Galleria, The Peak, Hong Kong. Opened in 2001.[7] [8] This shop is scheduled to be relocated to another location on The Peak within a few months.[9]

Hope this helps. olivier (talk) 19:48, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It sure helps, thanks very much. I'm terribly busy at the moment, but I'll look into it as soon as possible. Thanks, --Skysmurf^Talk_Contribs 19:43, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just removed a huge chunk of what appears to be a badly rewritten summary of this Straight Dope column telling a story about how the original Hard Rock Cafe got its name from a Doors album (sorta maybe eh?). Interesting but the whole thing is not relevant. Perhaps someone else wants to read it pick out the bits worth incorporating into the article? Kleptosquirrel (talk) 17:38, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've done some major revamping of this article in the past. I've seen the recent additions and let it go for the moment, but I did intend to have a closer look at it indeed. Thanks for helping to keep this article sane! -- Skysmurf  (Talk) 18:00, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Its unfortunate that there is not a list of Hard Rock hotels. The list of restaurants sort of hints that this is necessary. Maybe it should be a separate page? Hammerpleasedonthurtem (talk) 12:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey guys, please take the time to read the transcripts from the NJ Casino Control Commission for when Seminole Hard Rock was permitted to own any casino in Atlantic City, or even build a casino in North Jersey when the time comes. This includes statements from James Allen.

http://nj.gov/casinos/meetings/transcripts/2015%20Transcripts/012915-%20HR%20Atlantic%20City.pdf (Mfs1013 (talk) 00:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC))[reply]

"This list currently mentions Hard Rock Cafes only" ... but where is the list? Has been wiped out?! --62.19.55.188 (talk) 00:48, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The list also mentions a planned Hard Rock Cafe in Antwerp, Netherlands. Antwerp is actually located in Belgium. 2001:981:57A:1:F05C:20CF:BD42:534C (talk) 17:02, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, page watchers. Since editors here may be more familiar with Hard Rock, I'm hoping I can get some additional feedback on a draft I recently submitted to AfC. Full disclosure: This draft article for James F. Allen, who serves as chairman of Hard Rock International, was written on his behalf and as part of my work with Beutler Ink. The draft was declined by User:SwisterTwister for being "Too suggestive of an advertised business profile for clients, notability cannot be inherited from others and the sources are largely consisting of simple announcements, local business journals, notices and similar." I posted a reply on the draft's talk page, and received a response in the form of an additional AfC comment that said the sources were "not significant weight-ful of notability, including because they include local business publications and similar". I'm not entirely sure what this means because I thought the sources used are considered major publications (for example, Forbes and The Press of Atlantic City); it would be helpful to get editors from here to take a look and point me in the right direction, or help confirm notability. My goal remains to have the draft deemed accurate and neutral, and moved into the main space.

I appreciate the AfC process and SwisterTwister's review of the draft, but this process has not really provided specific ways to improve the draft, so I'm casting a wider net and reaching out to people who may be 'watchlisting' this page for additional input. Is there anyone who is willing to review this draft and provide additional feedback? Thanks in advance for any assistance. Inkian Jason (talk) 19:03, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am marking this section as 'resolved' since the article has been moved into the main space. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 19:41, 15 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In a 2011 interview discussing his book Empire & Odyssey: The Brynners in Far East Russia and Beyond, Rock Brynner mentions[10] that they, "a handful of hippies that couldn't find a good burger in London" opened the burger stand on June 7, 1941. He says that they had a 2 year lease from Howard Hughes, who was living in the penthouse at London's Inn on the Park. Hughes had plans to develop the lot and told them they would have to vacate as the building was to be torn down in 2 years. Rock goes on to say they were a fly-by-night operation that only expected to last 24 months so they were lax about getting work permits for the US kids that worked there in the summer and also lax about paying their taxes. He goes on to say that they became such an "institution" they had to clean up their act and become a serious business.

So, any confirming sources about Rock Brynner's involvement? Was Hughes (or a holding company of his) the lease holder for the original Hard Rock Cafe building? I can't find evidence that Hughes owned any interest in Gloucester House so far but he was in the the Inn on the Park[11] penthouse for a few months in that period. If Rock Brynner is completely fabricating his involvement then (for me) it casts doubt on some of his other work, so I'd much like to be reassured that he's not just spinning a yarn. In the video, he speaks in a tone of a historian that is not to be doubted, and by no means does it come off as embellishment. Alatari (talk) 07:51, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Found one connection. "Tigrett was the first to realize immediate success with the concept, opening a Hard Rock in New York City with the financial assistance of comedian Dan Aykroyd and actor Yul Brynner (Rock's father)[12]. Alatari (talk) 08:03, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A picture of Rock, Yul and Isaac in 1984 where the caption claims Rock was the night manager of the New York club [13]

"Actor Yul Brynner, center, poses with son, Rock, Left and Isaac Tigrett at the opening of the Hard Rock Cafe in New York, March 13, 1984. Tigrett and actor Dan Aykroyd are co-owners. Rock Brynner is the night manager. (AP Photo/Mitchell Tapper). Ref #: PA.16420491"[14]

So that's evidence that Rock had involvement in only managing the first New York club. Was Rock even in London in 1971?

That's all the corroboration I can find after an hour on this. Alatari (talk) 08:38, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The first line of this article and the first sentence of the History section give conflicting versions. Ksnow

Hello! Gary here, hoping to submit a few updates for the James F. Allen (chairman of Hard Rock International; CEO of Seminole Gaming) article, as I've disclosed on the article's talk page. I managed to submit a couple requests successfully in December, but so far no editors have replied to my most recent one. Could any page watchers take a look? User:DannyMusicEditor, I see you edited this article recently. Thanks! GaryBitner (talk) 16:40, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrison_Hotel it is claimed that the Name was derived from a previously existing unrelated Hard Rock Cafe. Since the The Doors record was released one year prior to the founding of The Hard Rock Cafe, there might be some truth to it, right?84.164.204.54 (talk) 18:08, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The claim as stated in Morrison Hotel is not confirmed by a reliable source, so I removed it. We can't add that information here either without a reliable source. But thanks for bringing this up. Sundayclose (talk) 20:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Two sources are given at Morrison Hotel#Album cover – "Followup: Was the name "Hard Rock Cafe" inspired by the Doors?". The Straight Dope. Retrieved April 7, 2020. and Cherry, Jim. "The Doors Michael Jackson Connection". Medium.com. Retrieved April 7, 2020. . . dave souza, talk 17:48, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is all about the business transaction and is so lacking in information regarding the operation of the Cafes. Would like to know more about the themes of the cafes, more about the dinner menus, more about special events at the cafes. This article is so lacking in everything except business dealings. Please expand this article with some information about the cafes themselves and tell me why I would want to visit or dine there. 99.42.89.21 (talk) 13:39, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should there be information in this article bringing up the collapse of the Hard Rock Hotel New Orleans at 1031 Canal St. in 2019? I'm kind of surprised there's no mention of it in the article already - it feels like a pretty major detail given the prominence of the event and the deaths of the workers. 129.7.0.159 (talk) 02:35, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use require that editors disclose their "employer, client, and affiliation" with respect to any paid contribution; see WP:PAID. For advice about reviewing paid contributions, see WP:COIRESPONSE. MattHardRockInt (talk · contribs) has been paid by Hard Rock International.

Matthew here on behalf of Seminole Hard Rock Support Services at Hard Rock International. I am here to propose updates and other improvements to pages about the company and executive leadership.

I've received some help from Encoded and P,TO 19104 to update the James F. Allen article (thanks!) and now I'd like to turn my attention to the Hard Rock Cafe article, which I think is problematic for several reasons:

• Hard Rock Cafe is a restaurant chain, but this article conflates the brand with the parent company, and with Hard Rock hotels and casinos
• Including hotel and casino details here may have made sense when there were only a few properties, but now there are dozens of properties associated with the company
• This article has entire sections (Music memorabilia, Hard Rock Park, Stadiums) that are part of Hard Rock International, but not Hard Rock Cafe specifically.

I see other editors have shared similar thoughts before. Skysmurf has also started a couple discussions above (A few suggestions/questions, Latest updates to the list of venues) with some similar concerns, and Hammerpleasedonthurtem has asked about having a separate page for hotels.

Proposal

With this in mind, I would like to propose some changes to how Hard Rock is covered on Wikipedia. Certainly a page for Hard Rock Cafe should be kept, as the restaurant chain is notable, but I would suggest separating out one article for the parent company Hard Rock International and another for Hard Rock hotels and casinos.

Here are links to two draft articles, which are based on existing content within Hard Rock Cafe:

• Draft:Hard Rock International
  • This draft is specific to the parent company, but explains how Hard Rock Cafe and the hotels/casinos are related. I've included a summary of Operations and a History section with background about the restaurant chain and the Seminole Tribe of Florida in relation to Hard Rock International. Our History section then goes into further detail about the parent company's evolution following acquisition. Additionally, I've added a section for Hard Rock Live, a brand of performance venues not covered in the current Hard Rock Cafe article, and I've proposed copying over the Music memorabilia and Stadiums sections because these are about the parent company, not the restaurant brand.
• Draft:Hard Rock hotels and casinos
  • This draft starts with a copy of Hard_Rock_Cafe#Casinos_and_hotels, in order to separate out text about properties from the article about the restaurant brand. Additionally, I've added a list of hotels and casinos based on secondary coverage. I've grouped the properties by region, but I welcome editors' preferred format. I think there are many other ways this article could be further improved, but for now I am considering the easiest way to split a page that editors can continue to refine over time.

Are any editors interested in reviewing my proposed re-organization of content related to Hard Rock? Again, my primary goal here is to differentiate text about the parent company, the restaurant brand, and Hard Rock's hotel and casino properties. If editors agree, I would appreciate help to move text and otherwise format these pages appropriately. I won't be editing any of the pages directly since I have a conflict of interest.

Looking forward to feedback from editors! Thanks, MattHardRockInt (talk) 23:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't see a problem with a split.★Trekker (talk) 22:08, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• • @StarTrekker: Thanks for weighing in here. Are you able to help facilitate the split, or do I need to submit a request somewhere like Wikipedia:Proposed article splits? I am not exactly sure how this works and I think it would be better if a more experienced editor completed the page and section moves. Thanks again, MattHardRockInt (talk) 15:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @MattHardRockInt: I would probably recommend a proposed split, and ideally notify all relevant WikiProjects so as many people as possible can chime in. This is not a subject that is within my expertise so assistance from others would be great.★Trekker (talk) 23:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]