User talk:Shubinator/Archive 4

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Would you mind commenting on this article on the DYK page - I saw your comment about it sometimes taking a while to receive responses but would like the know what else I need to do to the article. Cheers. 03md 10:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Replied on the noms page. Shubinator (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, please. Thanks! --BorgQueen (talk) 00:52, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm off to bed now; please do the archive thing. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:23, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Sources added per your request. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 07:26, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I'd like to respond to the comments against my DYK nom for Richard Farrell, but it seems to have disappeared off the map. Can you help pinpointing where it currently resides? -- JackofOz (talk) 00:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

It got removed because of unresolved issues. You can put it back in at the end of the Articles created/expanded on April 24 section on T:TDYK with your response. Shubinator (talk) 01:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

The article has been rewritten, please check.--Maverx (talk) 23:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maverx (talk • contribs)

What can I say, I got my first influence to edit from guys who cut and paste, now I know better. Thanks Man! --Maverx (talk) 05:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Question though, is it still considered as a stub?--Maverx (talk) 05:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Same as User talk:Dr pda#Prosesizebytes bug. I let Dr pda change his version first, so maybe you can copy whatever he did. Art LaPella (talk) 21:42, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I've fixed it with a very similar patch. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 05:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

And thank you! Art LaPella (talk) 05:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Shubinator, CarpetCrawler has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

CarpetCrawler^{message me} 06:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks :) Shubinator (talk) 04:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

File:Mibbit logo.png is under the Creative Commons license and is on Commons. It is not a non-free logo. {{trout}} Tothwolf (talk) 23:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, interesting. Assuming the company is behind Mibbit (talk · contribs), then it is under a Creative Commons license. But it's still trademarked...I'm not sure about this one. Shubinator (talk) 23:50, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Copyright and trademarks are separate things, it should be just fine. Tothwolf (talk) 23:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

True. Shubinator (talk) 23:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, I personally emailed the Mibbit developer and asked him to put the logo on commons under a free license specifically so we could use it for DYK. Tothwolf (talk) 23:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

That's nice of him. I've stricken my comment about it being non-free on the DYK noms page. If you really want the logo to be used, you should say so in the nomination. We get many nominations with images, and I'd guess about half (of the images) aren't used. Shubinator (talk) 00:10, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Done. I would like to see it used as it certainly is an eye grabbing image. Tothwolf (talk) 00:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

The AfD is now closed as well. Tothwolf (talk) 00:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I've approved it. Shubinator (talk) 00:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my dyk nomination at Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_May_8. I was having a bit of trouble with the template. Thanks again!Smallman12q (talk) 00:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem. The template breaks if there's no closing wikitext for formatting (wikilinks in the hook are the most common). Shubinator (talk) 00:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note regarding my DYK. I've offered up an alternate hook on the nomination page. NoCal100 (talk) 23:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Verified. Thanks for pointing out the reference. Shubinator (talk) 23:15, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for advising me you'd posted the triple DYK. Appreciate all the work you do to make these happen. Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 03:16, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! DYK takes a lot of manpower to fuel it, and I'm just one of the pieces. Shubinator (talk) 04:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Shubinator. You have new messages at Template talk:Did you know#Chris Jackson (gridiron football).
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

--Giants27 ^T/C 14:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the message saying that it made the frontpage. :) CarpetCrawler^{message me} 03:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure, no problem :) Shubinator (talk) 03:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Shubinator, I need your assesment on article BoardEx, it has been nominated for deletion but I do not find any reason why. I have not joined much in the discussion yet, but would like your professional opinion first. Thanks. --Maverx (talk) 01:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The editors at the AfD are saying that the service is not notable enough. Specifically, they're saying it fails Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). The primary criteria is secondary sources, essentially if a third party has written about the database. A fast search shows that many journals mention the database in passing, but few actually analyze the database. I did a quick scan through my library and it looks like there's one "journal" that does analyze the database. The citation is "Data Goldmine", Management Today Mar2004, p66-71 by Andrew Saunders. It's an inset of this page. If you email me I can email you the relevant part. It's copyrighted so I can't put it on Wikipedia. Oh, here are two newspaper sources: "BOARDEX AIMS TO SET THE STANDARD", Financial News (Daily), May 4, 2003. And "BOARDEX SEES A BOOST FROM HIGGS REPORT", Financial News (Daily), January 26, 2003. I can't find a link for these online either. Maybe tomorrow I can find some time to spruce up the article. In the meantime, mention these sources at the AfD and see what the other editors say. Shubinator (talk) 02:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the rescue, I just have a concern though, this user CDT007, has been having edit wars with me, I tried fixing the references before but he keeps on reverting to the previous edit he/she made. I've left a message on his talk page but are there other ways to warn him/her? He's only hurting the article more by taking out the categories I've associated it to thus making the article semi-orphan. --Maverx (talk) 02:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, it looks like CDT007 removed the categories in this edit. I would assume the edit was done in good faith and the category removal was unintentional. Since no other reverts were made, the user most likely isn't against other users editing the article. I would add the categories back in, and if CDT007 removes them again, drop a note on their talk page to begin a discussion on the issue.

We'll see where the AfD goes, we're not out of the woods yet. The one comment after my edit has been positive though. Shubinator (talk) 03:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		For your tireless effort in fixing the BoardEx article. Thank you. --Maverx (talk) 00:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Cool, I get 1/4 of the DYK, you get the 3/4. lol j/k, seriously, thanks man. --Maverx (talk) 00:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the DYK update for the template change. You have 49 more to do if you would perfer to do them. Chris (talk) 12:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Heh, that was the only one of yours that wasn't subst'ed. The templates have always been subst'ed in the past, but occasionally editors forgot to add the subst. Substituting every DYK credit since the beginning of time would be a real chore :) Shubinator (talk) 14:04, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey Shubinator! Your script doesn't seem to work on this article (it freezes up). Any idea why? decltype (talk) 20:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I think I fixed this a few hours ago :) Try bypassing your browser's cache and it should work. Shubinator (talk) 20:13, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Worked like a charm. Keep up the good work :) decltype (talk) 20:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Bearian (talk) 22:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Shubinator (talk) 22:03, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to your recent addition I was able to expand it to +1,500 characters...and I thought it wouldn't fly...Thanks --kelapstick (talk) 23:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem, it's a fun article. I just found some interesting sources on the discovery of the drink; two different people both claim to have invented it. I'll add it in soon. Shubinator (talk) 23:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, one of the articles I found said there are bars in Vegas where they serve them, I am going in July so I am going to see if I can find one.--kelapstick (talk) 23:29, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Haha, even when the reviewers disagree on the taste, they all agree it sells like mad. Good luck getting your hands on one! Shubinator (talk) 23:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Also see this, a bacon/chocolate martini...hybrid with chocolate-covered bacon?--kelapstick (talk) 23:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the comments, looks frighteningly awesome :) Shubinator (talk) 23:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I just added your DYKCheck script...that's awesome. Great work!--kelapstick (talk) 23:45, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm actually finishing up another piece of Wikipedia code; should be ready by tomorrow. Shubinator (talk) 23:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Turns out there is a Double Down Saloon in New York City and Las Vegas, it threw me off for a while when I read about it in LV in the origin paragraph and the NYC in the preparation until I doubled down andchecked the references....--kelapstick (talk) 03:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the ref for the origins section mentions both of them. Kinda weird that two places with the same name are both selling the drink. I think it's pretty funny that juniper-cured vs. hickory-smoked distinguishes the two types of bacon martinis. They're both bacon to me! Shubinator (talk) 03:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

They are owned by the same guy, the Vegas website has a link to the New York bar. kelapstick (talk) 04:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

That makes much more sense than a freak coincidence. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 04:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the assist on my talk page. It's always awkward having the bot sign a credit it hands to me with my own name just because I'm the admin who promoted the queue. On a related note, since the bot still isn't tagging articles with parentheses, it missed KSKE (AM) earlier today. Could you please slap a tag on that article's talk page with a May 15 date on it? Thanks. - Dravecky (talk) 16:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I would like to request a few features for the DYK checker.

• That it check for non-free, and logo templates on images.(Non-free images can't be displayed on the front page).
• That it suggests to create add related projects to the talk page(check to see if there are no wikiprojects on the talk page...or if there even is a talk page).
• To check to see if the majority of the references are by the same author(possibly primary sources).
• To check to see if the article is uncatogorized (other than cleanup template categories).

Thanks.Smallman12q (talk) 01:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, interesting.

• I'll look into image checking on T:TDYK. It's possible. I've thought about it before, and it seems like the images have to be checked manually anyways to see if the uploader is the same person as the author. If the script checks for nonfree templates, images with incorrect source/license tags will be more likely to slip through, because people won't be checking manually.
• No on checking for wikiproject tags. It doesn't affect the eligibility of the article for DYK in any way. Also, the documentation page for a similar template says that the template should not be added to otherwise empty talk pages. That changes the "discussion" tab at the top of the page from a "redlink" into a "bluelink", which may mislead people into thinking there is discussion.
• References are difficult to piece together from HTML, so this is technically hard. I've been thinking of creating a counter, saying there are X citations in the article from Y unique sources, and even that would take some doing.
• Categories don't affect DYK eligibility either.

So I'll see about image checking and number of references. By the way, thanks for helping out with reviewing nominations. Shubinator (talk) 01:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

You're right about the rules, but I thought it would be a good suggestion. Anyways, I'm proposing the additional rules at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Proposed_additional_DYK_rules.Smallman12q (talk) 12:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

-Additional Request- Could you make the DYKchecker script work as a greasemonkey script?Smallman12q (talk) 18:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I fiddled around a bit, and it looks like it would take some doing. DYKcheck uses javascript functions built into the Mediawiki API to make calls to the server, and I was having trouble with Greasemonkey's GM_xmlhttpRequest. Also, greasemonkey scripts don't update automatically, unlike Wikipedia monobook scripts. Shubinator (talk) 21:47, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

For the updating, you could simply have the script check a page in your userspace. This script does make external calls so I see what you mean.Smallman12q (talk) 22:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Have you thought about converting your DYK check script to a bot? It seems like there isn't much work to do for a bot conversion.Smallman12q (talk) 01:35, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

It's a minor improvement in terms of reading...not sure how much it affects performance.

Where it says

    // check for various tags
    var alertColor = "yellow";
    var tagsFound = "";
    var imageList = new Array("Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg", 
            "Question book-new.svg", "Ambox content.png", "Ambox style.png", 
            "Imbox style.png", "Copyright-problem.svg", "Copyright-problem paste.svg", 
            "Ambox globe content.svg", "Unbalanced scales.svg", "Ambox scales.svg", 
            "Ambox_contradict.svg", "Ambox warning orange.svg", "Acap.svg");
    var tagList = new Array("unverified content", "insufficient citations", "dispute", "cleanup", "cleanup",
            "copyright violations", "copyright violations", "globalization", "neutrality", 
            "neutrality", "contradiction", "dispute", "copyedit");
    if (html.innerHTML.indexOf("This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's") != -1) {
        var afdIndex = html.innerHTML.indexOf('title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/') + 7;
        var afdLink = html.innerHTML.substring(afdIndex, html.innerHTML.indexOf('"', afdIndex));
        tagsFound += 'Article has been <b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/' + afdLink + '">nominated for deletion</a></b>. '
        alertColor = "pink";            
    } else if ((html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('<table class="plainlinks ombox ombox-speedy"') != -1) || 
            (html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('<table class="plainlinks ambox ambox-speedy"') != -1) || 
            (html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('<table class="metadata plainlinks ombox ombox-speedy"') != -1) ||
            (html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('<table class="metadata plainlinks ambox ambox-speedy"') != -1)) {
        tagsFound += "Article has been <b>tagged for speedy deletion</b>. "
        alertColor = "pink";
    }
    for (var i=0; i < imageList.length; i++) {
        if (html.innerHTML.indexOf(imageList[i]) != -1) {
            tagsFound += "Article has a " + tagList[i] + " tag. ";
        }
    }
    if (tagsFound != "") {
        var tagAlert = document.createElement("li");
        tagAlert.id = "tag-alert";
        output.appendChild(tagAlert);
        tagAlert.innerHTML = tagsFound;
        tagAlert.style.cssText = "background-color:" + alertColor;
    }

it could be replaced with a two dimensional arrray as follows

    // check for various tags
    var alertColor = "yellow";
    var tagsFound = "";
    var tagList = new Array();
    taglist = [
    ["unverified content", "Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg"],
    ["insufficient citations", "Question book-new.svg"],
    ["dispute" ,"Ambox content.png"],
    ["cleanup", "Ambox style.png"],
    ["cleanup","Imbox style.png"],
    ["copyright violations", "Copyright-problem.svg"],
    ["copyright violations", "Copyright-problem paste.svg"],
    ["neutrality", "Ambox globe content.svg"],
    ["neutrality", "Unbalanced scales.svg"],
    ["contradiction","Ambox scales.svg"] ["dispute", "Ambox warning orange.svg"],
    ["Acap.svg","copyedit"]
    ];
    if (html.innerHTML.indexOf("This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's") != -1) {
        var afdIndex = html.innerHTML.indexOf('title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/') + 7;
        var afdLink = html.innerHTML.substring(afdIndex, html.innerHTML.indexOf('"', afdIndex));
        tagsFound += 'Article has been <b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/' + afdLink + '">nominated for deletion</a></b>. '
        alertColor = "pink";            
    } else if ((html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('<table class="plainlinks ombox ombox-speedy"') != -1) || 
            (html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('<table class="plainlinks ambox ambox-speedy"') != -1) || 
            (html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('<table class="metadata plainlinks ombox ombox-speedy"') != -1) ||
            (html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('<table class="metadata plainlinks ambox ambox-speedy"') != -1)) {
        tagsFound += "Article has been <b>tagged for speedy deletion</b>. "
        alertColor = "pink";
    }
    for (var i=0; i < taglist.length; i++) {
        if (html.innerHTML.indexOf(taglist[i][1]) != -1) {
            tagsFound += "Article has a " + tagList[i][0] + " tag. ";
        }
    }
    if (tagsFound != "") {
        var tagAlert = document.createElement("li");
        tagAlert.id = "tag-alert";
        output.appendChild(tagAlert);
        tagAlert.innerHTML = tagsFound;
        tagAlert.style.cssText = "background-color:" + alertColor;
    }

It will make reading it a bit easier. (I haven't tested it, but it should work.)Smallman12q (talk) 22:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks like that would work too (it looks like you've got the last one flipped though :) ). I'll consider making the change next time I tweak it. Shubinator (talk) 22:27, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I've added inline too (extra functionality doesn't hurt). I'm not sure if it'll work, but it should=D.

    // check for various tags
    var alertColor = "yellow";
    var tagsFound = "";
    var tagList = new Array();
    taglist = [
    ["unverified content", "Text_document_with_red_question_mark.svg"],
    ["insufficient citations", "Question book-new.svg"],
    ["dispute" ,"Ambox content.png"],
    ["cleanup", "Ambox style.png"],
    ["cleanup","Imbox style.png"],
    ["copyright violations", "Copyright-problem.svg"],
    ["copyright violations", "Copyright-problem paste.svg"],
    ["neutrality", "Ambox globe content.svg"],
    ["neutrality", "Unbalanced scales.svg"],
    ["contradiction","Ambox scales.svg"] ["dispute", "Ambox warning orange.svg"],
    ["Acap.svg","copyedit"]
    ];
    //inline from https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages/Cleanup#Inline%20with%20article%20text
    var inlinetagsFound = "";
    var inlinetagList = new Array();
    inlinetaglist = [
    ["This link appears to be for the purpose of promoting a website, product or individual", "linkspam"],
    //
    ["The text in the vicinity of this tag is dated","update after"],
    ["This claim needs references to reliable sources","citation needed"],
    ["The material in the vicinity of this tag may use weasel words or too-vague attribution", "who?"],
    //
    ["This statement may not be entirely without bias |text=neutrality disputed", "neutrality disputed"],
    ["The material in the vicinity of this tag seems to express a non-neutral point of view","opinion needs balancing"],
    //?Am i missing one?
    ["The material in the vicinity of this tag may not be factual or accurate", "dubious"],
    //
    ["The material in the vicinity of this tag appears to be point of view material and is","according to whom?"],
    ["The material in the vicinity of this tag may use weasel words or too-vague","by whom?"],
    ["The text in the vicinity of this tag needs","cite this quote"],
    ["The citation in the vicinity of this tag is","broken citation"],
    ["The text in the vicinity of this tag needs clarification or removal of jargon", "clarification needed"],
    ["Link needs disambiguation", "disambiguation needed"],
    ["This claim needs references to reliable sources","citation needed"],
    ["The material in the vicinity of this tag failed verification of its source", "not in citation given"],
    ["The material in the vicinity of this tag may be based upon unreliable original research", "original research?"],
    ["This citation requires a reference to the specific page or range of pages at in which the material", "page needed"],
    ["The material in the vicinity of this tag may cite questionable", "Need quotation on talk to verify"],
    ["from source to verify", "request quotation"],
    ["The text preceeding this tag needs specification", "specify"],
    ["The material in the vicinity of this tag may be based upon improper synthes", "improper synthesis"],
    ["Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Unnecessary_vagueness", "vague"],
    ["he material in the vicinity of this tag may rely on an unreliable source", "unreliable source?"],
    ["The material in the vicinity of this tag needs to be fact-checked with the cited source", "verification needed"],
    ["The time period in the vicinity of this tag is ambiguous", "when?"],
    ["Need the year this event took place", "year needed"]
    ];
    //
    if (html.innerHTML.indexOf("This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's") != -1) {
        var afdIndex = html.innerHTML.indexOf('title="Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/') + 7;
        var afdLink = html.innerHTML.substring(afdIndex, html.innerHTML.indexOf('"', afdIndex));
        tagsFound += 'Article has been <b><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/' + afdLink + '">nominated for deletion</a></b>. '
        alertColor = "pink";            
    } else if ((html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('<table class="plainlinks ombox ombox-speedy"') != -1) || 
            (html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('<table class="plainlinks ambox ambox-speedy"') != -1) || 
            (html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('<table class="metadata plainlinks ombox ombox-speedy"') != -1) ||
            (html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('<table class="metadata plainlinks ambox ambox-speedy"') != -1)) {
        tagsFound += "Article has been <b>tagged for speedy deletion</b>. "
        alertColor = "pink";
    }
    //added by smallman12q
    } else if (html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('"class="mbox-text"')!= -1)//has a box for something
            tagsFound += "message box";
    //(html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('title="Wikipedia:Cleanup"')!= -1) ||
    //class="mbox-text"
    //(html.innerHTML.toLowerCase().indexOf('title="Wikipedia:Manual of Style"')!= -1) ||
    //
    for (var i=0; i < taglist.length; i++) {
        if (html.innerHTML.indexOf(taglist[i][1]) != -1) {
            tagsFound += "Article has a " + tagList[i][0] + " tag. ";
        }
    }
    if (tagsFound != "") {
        var tagAlert = document.createElement("li");
        tagAlert.id = "tag-alert";
        output.appendChild(tagAlert);
        tagAlert.innerHTML = tagsFound;
        tagAlert.style.cssText = "background-color:" + alertColor;
    }
    //added by smallman12q
    for (var i=0; i < inlinetaglist.length; i++) {
        if (html.innerHTML.indexOf(inlinetaglist[i][1]) != -1) {
            inlinetagsFound += "Article has a " + inlinetagList[i][0] + " inline tag. ";
        }
    }
    
    //added by smallman12q
    if (inlinetagsFound != "") {
        var tagAlert = document.createElement("li");
        tagAlert.id = "tag-alert";
        output.appendChild(tagAlert);
        tagAlert.innerHTML = inlinetagsFound;
        tagAlert.style.cssText = "background-color:" + alertColor;
    }
    //added by smallman12q
    //check for categories
    if(html.innerHTML.indexOf('title="Special:Categories') == -1)
    {
        var tagAlert = document.createElement("li");
        tagAlert.id = "tag-alert";
        output.appendChild(tagAlert);
        tagAlert.innerHTML = "Article is uncategorized";
        tagAlert.style.cssText = "background-color:" + red;    
    }

Let me know if this is of any use.Smallman12q (talk) 23:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow, nice effort. An inline tag or two won't fail a DYK nomination, but if we get something working well, I could add it in with the alert color less striking. My article tag code doesn't notice how many tags there are; it just sees if the tag exists or not. With inline tags, the code should output how many there are, especially since one or two is nothing to worry about. That could be done by replacing the for loop at the end with

    for (var i=0; i < inlinetaglist.length; i++) {
        if (html.innerHTML.indexOf(inlinetaglist[i][0]) != -1) {
            var tagIndex = html.innerHTML.indexOf(inlinetaglist[i][1]);
            var tags = 0;
            while (html.innerHTML.indexOf(inlinetaglist[i][0], tagIndex) != -1) {
                tags++;
                tagIndex = html.innerHTML.indexOf(inlinetaglist[i][0], tagIndex) + inlinetaglist[i][1].length;
            }
            inlinetagsFound += "Article has " + tags + " " + inlinetagList[i][1] + " inline tag(s). ";
        }
    }

Shubinator (talk) 23:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

My goal is to automate the DYK process so people spend more time improving hooks rather than scanning articles for errors and whatnot. Your are right that it should output how many as well...didn't think of that. Another thing I would like to add to the DYKchecker is a link that automatically adds a {{DYKproblem}} problem template to all the nominators and creators/expanders of an article(this should be fairly easy, I just don't remember the url. On a side note, I'm also working on another user script snippet manager.Smallman12q (talk) 01:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that's why I made the script. Some of these things aren't checked by reviewers, so if it shows up in the script, it's more work on the reviewers rather than less. For example, stub classification isn't allowed by DYK rules, but few reviewers checked because the qualitative feel of the article means more than a tag. With the stub information in the script, the reviewers spend more time taking off stub tags, or worse, opposing a nom just because of a stub tag (I'm guilty of this too). I'll probably put these in tomorrow, but the alerts will be very inconspicuous so a reviewer can choose to ignore them. I'm thinking I'll have just the bullet in the list change color.

I'll look into notifying nominators. The link will lead to a page to create a new section on the nominator's talk page, with a blank DYKproblem template. I don't want to make the process "one-click"; at the least it will be two clicks. One issue here is that there's always a few noms that don't have the credits correct. Shubinator (talk) 03:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

You shouldn't feel as though you've created more work, reviewers can always ignore what the script says. As for the link, DYK should check to see if each person has a relevant problem template, and if not, open in a tab/window the edit link with the new section for a DYK problem template ready to go.Smallman12q (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll see if I can get the link to produce a filled in DYKproblem template. A blank template is almost trivial, a filled in one is much tougher. It won't check the user talk pages, because that requires more calls to the server, and is a real mess if there are multiple nominators. A simple for loop doesn't work, the asynchronous javascript will kill it. There is a way to get around it (as I've done to make multi-article nom checking possible) but it's a mess. DYKcheck will probably have to wait until the weekend though, because I'm tending to DYKHousekeepingBot today, and the rest of the week looks busy. Shubinator (talk) 22:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Ack, the weekend has come and gone. Can't promise when I'll get to it, but I haven't forgotten. Shubinator (talk) 01:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

If you have a minute, could you take a look at WT:DYK#Lacrosse. My approval of a hook is currently being questioned, and since you've participated quite a bit in DYK, I'd like to hear your opinion(for better or worse). Cheers!Smallman12q (talk) 23:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Both points raised are true. The US Army has so many soldiers that I'm sure it would be true for anything that could be loosely called a sport (for example, table tennis). Because the hook is undoubtedly true, the first-party source doesn't matter so much. It is a promotional brochure though, made by the team itself. If it came from a platoon or something, mentioning some sports played by the soldiers, it would be more a third-party source. Don't be discouraged though; I've made worse blunders a few times now. Shubinator (talk) 00:21, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Let me know when you're done with the next update. Also, what do you think about the image in the next, next update? It looks too dark to me, especially with plenty of good images waiting. This image must have been pulled from a much later date because I hadn't noticed it when I was looking at the oldest articles in the queue. Royalbroil 13:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I cleared both next and next, next queues to queues 1 & 2. I need to go offline for church so hopefully someone else can help promote from next update to queues. Thanks for your help! Royalbroil 13:48, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I figured the DYKmake template was used for something, but wasn't sure what, and yeah I'll remember that for the next time I do it.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 13:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Usually I do quite a bit over the weekends, but unfortunately I've spent much of this weekend arm-wrestling with the pro-Israel crowd over this infernal Palestinian Land Law article, which quite frankly I'm beginning to wish I'd never laid eyes on. I will promote your updates to the queue now, thanks for the heads up :) Gatoclass (talk) 16:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Done. Thanks once again for the kick up the bum, I just noticed it's about five hours later than I thought! Almost time to call it a night... Gatoclass (talk) 16:46, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Well it certainly looks as if you've spent the weekend more productively than I have. The new bot sounds great! Looking forward to the results. I seem to recall that a few of my own articles didn't get their DYK tags, so I'll keep an eye on them... Gatoclass (talk) 16:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

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Royalbroil 16:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks like we did it, but hey I have a request if it's ok? Can you look at my other DYK entry it hasn't been checked since last week, article name is Smart Gilas. If you have time to spare. Thanks! --Maverx (talk) 23:31, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I've replied on the noms page. Sorry I didn't respond sooner; for some reason I didn't see this message. Shubinator (talk) 16:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I'm at the point where I start getting a bit nervous about my DYK hook expiring. Could I please have you look just above this at Radu Berceanu and check to see that the date and length are OK, and that it's good to go? - Biruitorul ^Talk 16:49, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Done. For future reference, DYK hooks never expire simply by time. Nominations with unresolved concerns can be deleted after a few days (it often takes a week). Shubinator (talk) 16:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Excellent. Many thanks. - Biruitorul ^Talk 17:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not sure. I figured I might as well fix the obvious problem (missing div) that makes sense and then look into that one. Fail... :-/ FlyingToaster 12:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much for taking the time to figure this out! FlyingToaster 12:29, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the DYK, and all your work on a task that seems like a chore. Tempshill (talk) 15:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding this, I've expanded the article in response. As DYK is unknown territory for me, can you tell me the appropriate next step? Thanks!  Frank  |  talk  17:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I've verified it. In the future you can reply on the noms page saying the length is long enough. Shubinator (talk) 18:17, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Someone else nominated an article I created (right below Walker actually) and of course since I have no life outside of Wikipedia, I jumped in with both feet. ;-) I'm waiting to see how it goes from here. It is a very busy page, and I'm impressed with the level of activity. As with many things around here, it's kind of amazing how things happen in all sorts of different places and different ways.  Frank  |  talk  19:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, DYK takes a lot of volunteer work. We post 32 hooks daily to the Main Page, and these all need to be checked and assembled into sets. You're welcome to help out! Verifying hooks is relaxing for me. Shubinator (talk) 19:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll bite, but save me the research...what's needed?  Frank  |  talk  00:12, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

The main rules are at Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Selection_criteria, and some miscellaneous ones at Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Additional_rules. The three big things to check are the length/expansion of the article, if the article was created or expanded in the day it's been nominated under, and if the hook fact is cited. For the first and second there's a script that calculates prose length and dates. The last, verifying the hook fact, is the main part that can't be done by computer. Check if the reference for the hook says what it's supposed to say. And that's it. Generally you should also give it a glance for broader issues like no cleanup tags, inline citations throughout the article, not just primary sources, and no bare URLs (but most of the time these aren't an issue). For me the routine is 1)open the article and run the script 2)glance over the article 3)find the hook fact and verify. Shubinator (talk) 00:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Shub, I think I fixed the probs with my very first attempt at DYK - since you were kind enough to point out the needed fixes, would you possibly take another look at it? Best, Kaisershatner (talk) 00:39, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Replied on the noms page. Thanks for the heads up. Shubinator (talk) 00:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer! JulieSpaulding (talk) 16:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

By the way, I have four DYKs up for nomination. Unfortunately two haven't been reviewed (the other two I fixed up), while all the ones around it have. If you've got the time, could you take a look please? Thanks! JulieSpaulding (talk) 16:23, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I've left comments on the noms page. We're very backed up now; even otherwise, it's not unusual for a nomination to go 4 or 5 days without getting any comments. Shubinator (talk) 20:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

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Thank you! Hopefully the bot will be (relatively) bug-free. Shubinator (talk) 00:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I replaced the ref with this one which contains the same information. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 18:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Verified. Shubinator (talk) 18:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Could you have a look at my DYK nomination for Snake (song). I have been asked to think of a better hook and wanted your advice. It has been confirmed as well referenced. 03md 18:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I've suggested an alt. It's a bit wordy, so feel free to tweak it. Shubinator (talk) 19:58, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

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JulieSpaulding (talk) 09:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Done. Thanks! weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 13:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note regrading the length of my DYK nom for Brooks Associates Racing - I've expanded the article prose, and it should now meet the 1500 char minimum. NoCal100 (talk) 18:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The length is good, but I see another editor has raised concerns. Shubinator (talk) 18:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Will you please return to Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Self-published_wrestling_sources? I would like to get this closed soon, before the three articles are too old for DYK.--WillC 02:36, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I took a quick glance and most the articles are still sourced to PWG. I would take a closer look, but I have to run now. Others can verify the hooks. Tomorrow I'll have time, if they're still around. Sorry I can't look at it now. Shubinator (talk) 02:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I kept the primary sources, being PWG, but replaced a few with some reliable third-party ones. Just a few, because PWG tends to give more information.--WillC 04:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Replied at WT:DYK. Shubinator (talk) 23:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I did as well.--WillC 06:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks like they've been approved. Shubinator (talk) 02:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for handing out the credit for the ones missed by the bot. If you show me the easiest way to located the others, I'd have no problem helping out while the glitch still remains. I'll also prod nix on IRC to fix it, if he hasn't gotten to it already. Syn 12:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I believe he fixed it now, and he posted to the talk page. Syn 18:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks like he's on a roll. For future reference, the credits for a set of hooks are in the queue. The queues page shows the upcoming queue, so you can subtract one to figure out which queue the current set came from. Then just look in the history, find look at the revision before the bot clear, scroll down to the "Credits" section, and click on the "give" link for the ones you want to credit. Shubinator (talk) 23:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Wonderful. Thanks for explaining this out. Syn 23:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Thank you for your help at DYK. Shubinator (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Take a look at where DYKadminBot left the credit for the last update, that's obviously wrong.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 02:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks like Nix fixed it. Now for cleanup... Shubinator (talk) 00:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Shub.Thanks for your feedback concerning my first DYK article submission. Apologies I was not aware of the DYK scripts nor the rule for 5x expansion within last 10days. I will expand the prose within the article and resubmit. Thanks for your time.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mibbles (talk • contribs) 06:24, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem. It seems unlikely you'll get the article's prose expanded 5x. I'd suggest trying for GA instead of DYK. Shubinator (talk) 02:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Could you have a look at my DYK nomination for Tommy Walker (footballer born 1923), submitted on April 26 with no comments. 92.4.36.183 (talk) 15:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Left a comment at the noms page. Shubinator (talk) 15:45, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I have responded to your DYK comment and made alterations. 03md 20:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks good now, I verified it. Shubinator (talk) 20:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

On May 31, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bacon martini, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 08:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The comment text at the top of each section says this is optional: "Please add your suggestion to the TOP of this section using either the template provided or a level 4 header with the name of the new/expanded article." (Emphasis mine)

If you would like me (and, I suppose, other editors), to use that template exclusively, then change that text to require the template be used. I've been nominating DYKs and reviewing them for a long time; I still find it easier to do it the old, all-by-hand way. If this is how we want things done now, let's be clear about it. Daniel Case (talk) 16:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Will do, then. Daniel Case (talk) 16:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)