User talk:Wayne Slam/Archives/2010/December

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Thanks for undoing that vandalism. I guess he/she took offense to me CSD-tagging Google map he/she'd just uploaded. –Fredddie™ 01:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome! WAYNESLAM 01:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for your work in vandalism reversion. I saw your name in a few people I warned as well, and figured I'd say thanks your work. Leo 04:08, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome. WAYNESLAM 20:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

"your unknown user, catch me for the last time as nobody, get moving you little squirt"? Do you have any idea what he meant? I'm at a loss. Regardless, thanks for reverting it so quickly. It's good to know there's someone out there keeping tabs on things. !MNc99 (talk) 19:25, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome, and thanks! WAYNESLAM 20:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

I hereby award you, Wayne Slam, the Anti-Vandalism Barnstar for your impressive work fighting vandalism. You've beaten me countless times. Keep up the great work! :) --Meaghan [talk] ≈ 01:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for that colorful barnstar! :) WAYNESLAM 01:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Wayne, you need to take more care when reverting with Huggle. Take a few more seconds to examine an edit and only revert it if you're absolutely certain that the edit was made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. I've had cause to decline a significant minority of your AIV reports and an IP editor has left a complaint on my alternate talk page. Obviously mistaken reverts and warnings can be very bitey of new editors and could drive them away so, as the heading says, please be more careful with your reverts. Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to be more careful HJ, thanks for letting me know. WAYNEOLAJUWON 18:49, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Wayne. I've fixed a userbox template for you that was not displaying correctly on you user page. BTW: A high edit count does not impress regular editors - see WP:ECT. For example, I do a lot of NPP, I don't use Huggle or Igloo, but it still often takes me several minutes to do the research according to WP:BEFORE and to make up my mind - specially when working on the ones that the Huggle users can't fix! Do take HJ Mitchel's advice and slow down a bit ;) --Kudpung (talk) 00:43, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I have slowen down a bit, Kudpung. People don't edit Wikipedia to get their edit count up. WAYNESLAM 00:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that user box was specifically deactivated since Wayne did not respond to an adoption offer made by another user in June 2010. Users are generally expected to respond within a few weeks (no more than a month) to offers, whether it be accepting them or rejecting them. Wayne, if you wish to be adopted, please visit the adopt-a-user page and message an adopter. If you don't mind, please deactivate the box, since there are no active offers. (The request template is adoptme). Netalarm^talk 03:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

It was removed by Ancient Apparition. WAYNESLAM 18:10, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Why did you revert this edit and give the editor a vandalism warning? Please add edit summaries which explain your edits, and be careful before adding warnings to editor's pages. PamD (talk) 09:33, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

That's what Huggle does. WAYNESLAM 21:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

No, it's what Huggle helps you to do. You as a human editor are responsible for all your edits. Please take more care in future rather than leaving inappropriate warnings on editors' talk pages. If you aren't prepared to take that responsibility, you shouldn't be using Huggle. PamD (talk) 08:16, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll be careful. WAYNESLAM 18:11, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Wayne. I think that for this edit, you ought to have given the IP editor a personal attack warning. If, on further reflection, you agree, then you can go to the IP’s talk page and manually replace your uw-huggle2 template with a {{uw-npa2}} template. You would enter it like this

{{subst:uw-npa2|User talk:Alansohn}} ~~~~

Thanks!

— SpikeToronto 00:00, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I will change it Spike, but do you like my new username? I don't you the npa warning when there's a personal attack. WAYNESLAM 00:01, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

You could have issued the NPA warning from inside HG. From the pulldown list select Personal attacks. Unfortunately, once you have templated an editor using HG, if you want to change it, you have to do it manually. Sometimes my laptop mouse causes the wrong one to be issued as I am going down the list, so I have to go and manually replace the wrong template with the right one.

As for your name, I like them both. — SpikeToronto 00:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I notice that you changed the template and added a link to the edit. Very good! Nice coding! — SpikeToronto 00:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

If I select Personal attacks from my HG screen, someone may revert the attack, while I'm still trying to select personal attacks. Thanks and thanks again! WAYNESLAM 00:24, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

No, no, no, no. You cannot use that as an excuse not to select the correct template from the pulldown screen. You seem to still think of this as a race. So what if someone else reverts it before you do?! Seriously, I have seen recent changes patrollers lose their rollback privileges for that. If someone files a report at ANI saying that you label everything as vandalism instead of being more precise and accurate, removal of rollback is usually the outcome. Tread carefully, my friend. — SpikeToronto 00:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I won't treat this as just vandalism reverting and a race. I'll only give users attack warnings if they attack another user, would that work? WAYNESLAM 00:35, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

We’ve had this discussion before. We can only use the top left HG button, without bothering with the pulldown menu, if and only if what is on our diff screen is clearly vandalism. If it is something else, then we have to apply the appropriate warning from the pulldown menu. Thus,

• Spam are external links that violate WP:ELNO and/or WP:LINKSPAM → select Spam from the pulldown list
• Personal attacks (see: WP:NPA) → select Personal attacks from the pulldown list
• Editing tests → I only ever use at Level 1 (i.e., when the offender’s talk link is red) for otherwise innocuous edits that nonetheless need reverting
• Removal of content: when editor removes content without explanation that is not itself vandalism or an improvement to the article → select Removal of content from the pulldown list
• Blanking pages: when the offender blanks a page that he did not create and to which he is not the major contributor → select Blanking pages from the pulldown list
  • A clue that the page has been blanked can be found in the automated edit summary provided by the system when it says ←Blanked the page.
  • But, you still have to confrim — by looking at the history — if the editor blanking the page is the page creator and/or only significant contributor.
    • When blanked by the page creator and/or the only significant contributor, select G7 — blanked or requested by creator from the Page|Request deletion pulldown menu. (See WP:CSD#G7 for more info.)
• Biased content is content that violates WP:NPOV → select Biased content from the pulldown list
• Factual errors occur when the offender intentionally enters or alters information that is incorrect (e.g., George Bush was George VII of England) → select Factual errors from the pulldown list
• Inappropriate biographical content occurs when someone adds something to a BLP without providing a verifiable reference/citation, especially when the material added could get Wikipedia sued → select Inappropriate biographical content from the pulldown list
• Removal of speedy deletion template occurs when the editor has created a page, it has been flagged for speedy deletion, and, instead of placing a {{Hangon}} template on the page and providing a hangon rationale on the article’s talk page, he deletes the speedy template → select Removal of speedy deletion template from the pulldown list
• Failing to cite verifiable reliable source occurs when the offender adds something to an article that does not have a verifiable reference/citation, and would bring the reputation of Wikipedia into disrepute were it allowed to remain in the article until a citation can be found. These are items where an inline verification template (e.g., {{Citation needed}}) would not suffice → select Failing to cite verifiable reliable source from the pulldown list
• Advanced we discussed before here.

Remember: The purpose of the warning templates is to let the editor know what he’s done wrong so that he can develop into a productive editor. Labelling as vandalism something that is more appropriately linkspam, for example, does not help the offender become a more productive editor: labelling it as spam does. Hope this helps. Lecture over. — SpikeToronto 05:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! WAYNESLAM 18:04, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

This edit is not vandalism. A quick Google search shows that, indeed, Ugggh was a parody of Gwar on Wizards of Waverly Place. Please slow down and don't revert if you aren't sure about an edit. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:39, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

You do not always have to act on what is before you in your HG screen. Sometimes I am presented with a diff that I am unsure how to deal with. In those cases, I skip it, leaving it for another recent changes patroller who would perhaps have a better understanding of the issue(s) involved. — SpikeToronto 20:39, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh sorry about that. I'm just trying to be careful. WAYNESLAM 18:42, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, no, Wayne. If you were trying to be careful, you would not have made the error. Another example is this edit, a perfect example of one of those edits that is best dealt with not through Huggle, but by manually adding an inline verification template such as {{Citation needed}}.

You need to take a break from vandal fighting generally and Huggle specifically. You need to spend time actually contributing to articles/stubs to acquire more knowledge of how articles are created/expanded/edited/etc. so that you will have a better understanding of what it is you are policing when you are vandal fighting. Later, you can return in a few months from your sojourn editing articles to re-start vandal fighting. When you return to vandal fighting, I recommend you do so manually, using RecentChanges to locate possible vandalism, then use the Undo button to manually revert and enter precise summaries explaining why you are reverting an edit. Then you would manually apply the appropriate template from WP:UTM. Ultimately you would manually file reports at AIV. Believe it or not, manually dealing with vandalism is how one is supposed to learn. This is why I, personally, do not think that rollback should be given to anyone with less than 1,000 edits. Browser-like tools such as Huggle are powerful devices that truly require editing experience to use properly.

Your talk page and talk page archives contain a litany of complaints about your vandal fighting. We must be living in a kinder, gentler Wikipedia world because a year ago, someone would have already brought a report to ANI. So, before this actually does happen, you really need to take a break from vandal fighting and become an actual Wikipedia editor. You could start as a Wikipedia gnome. There are lots of ways you can help this project that do not involve using Huggle. — SpikeToronto 20:36, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I do copy-edit or edit other articles when I'm not using Huggle, Spike. When should I put a {{Citation needed}} template? WAYNESLAM 20:48, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

This help request has been answered. If you need more help, you can ask another question on your talk page, contact the responding user(s) directly on their user talk page, or consider visiting the Teahouse.

How do you become a new page patroller? WAYNESLAM 19:30, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Go to WP:NPP. Read up on what's up. Basically, you'll look at a new page, add cleanup tags as needed, request deletion if the article isn't up to snuff, mark the page as patrolled, and move on. It's faster with Twinkle but what we'll do is get you up to speed on the relevant policies and use your good work at NPP to get your twinkle privileges restored. N419BH 19:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

COMMENT: New page patrol is primarily about applying Wikipedia policies to newly created pages. How is someone who has done very little actual editing of exiting articles, very little expansion of stubs to full articles, and/or very little new article creation of their own, going to have sufficient familiarity with wikipolicies to apply them to newly created pages? The kind of mentoring and direction that Wayne needs is to steer him toward editing, perhaps by having him start by making gnomish edits. Even before that, Wayne needs to spend time reading and reviewing the contents and linked policies and guidelines contained in a typical welcome message. New page patrol is no different than vandal fighting: Both require sufficient editing experience to have acquired sufficient judgement to apply to a given situation. Steering Wayne toward new page patrol stacks the deck against him since it has a probability of resulting in the same sort of “stuff” that brought him to ANI in the first place. — SpikeToronto 20:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I did exactly that; I started NPP a couple of months after I joined, and my biggest edit at the time was, if I remember correctly, to the Hideki Matsui article, in which I added about 3 sentences. NPP is easy enough, and like I said above, it's easier to fix mistakes because things move slower over there. Most of the time, it's really obvious what to do with new pages; there's not a lot of ambiguity. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:37, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Same here; I showed up, did vandalfighting for a while, got into new page patrol a month or so after I started, and then discovered AFC. Provided you understand the policy you don't need actual content creation experience to take a set of standards, apply them to articles, and perform the necessary functions based on the standards. N419BH 20:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I tagged an article for speedy deletion a few minutes ago. WAYNESLAM 20:51, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Good tag, I have just deleted it. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:54, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Heheh, I couldn't find the article, so your tag must have been correct ;) . Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I commonly do "gnomish" work in categories such as these:

• Category:Articles_that_need_to_be_wikified - In this category, you basically just add wikilinks to articles and fix up articles so they are in sections. Sometimes, you also rewrite the lead section to be compatible with the Manual of Style.
• Category:Articles_needing_sections - Here you just move the article's content around and add section headings using == Heading level 2 ==, === Heading level 3 ===, and ==== Heading level 4 ====.
• Category:Articles_needing_additional_references - Here you find references and add them to articles. I commonly add them using RefTools (accessible under your preferences).
• Wikipedia:Contribution_Team/Backlogs - This contains a large list of backlogs you can help on.
• Special:NewPages - There isn't much to do here, but if you find a newly-created article containing "OMG JOHN DOE IS A FAG LOL" you replace it with {{db-g10|blanked=true}}. Most pages, however, do not fall under speedy deletion criteria. Be careful when tagging a page for deletion under criteria A7.

Let me know if you want any help or somebody to look over your work. (edit conflict). Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:52, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I will let you know and will you look over my work before I go back to normal? WAYNESLAM 20:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Certainly. I am always happy to help. (And it is a great feeling getting to go to an admin and ask them to delete a category you just emptied). Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

(ec x 2) By the way, this comment of yours needs addressed: "Now my edit count will suffer because now I'm done with rollback due to it being removed." There are more important things than edit count. If you torture numbers long enough, they will confess to anything. See WP:ITIS. Edit count means nothing. I removed my edit count userbox once I hit 5,000 edits (might have been 4,000). Realized numbers meant nothing. Your understanding of policy and ability to interact with others are what's important. N419BH 20:58, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I know. Edit count doesn't mean anything. It matters by how good your edits are. Am I doing better now? WAYNESLAM 21:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Good stuff :). Try writing an article sometime too; it's harder than it looks. I've only written two and one spent months in my sandbox. Seriously though, we're here to help. Do you still have Twinkle? N419BH 21:06, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, when I click something from Twinkle it says that my account is too new to use Twinkle when I click something from Twinkle that isn't welcoming the user. WAYNESLAM 21:08, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

That's because you are blacklisted him from Twinkle, and you shouldn't be using any counter-vandalism tools until your mentor thinks you are ready. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:10, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Where is he? WAYNESLAM 21:11, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne really needs the cleanup tagging functions too for NPP, though I believe those are from Friendly and not twinkle. CSD and deletion prods are a twinkle function but it's a good idea to do those manually for now. We want you to slow down a bit and learn the policies here. Manually requesting deletion will give you extra time to review the criteria and ensure the article meets said criterion. Twinkle doesn't give you a preview of what the deletion criterion are, you are expected to have them more or less memorized. N419BH 21:17, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Friendly is installed in my preferences so it should work. I go to Special:Tags and find the tag there about the new article being short and that's where I tag pages for speedy deletion if not tagged already. WAYNESLAM 21:24, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne: I'm right here, you selected me as your mentor if I am correct. --Dylan620 ^{(t • c • r)} 21:39, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes I did select you, Dylan. WAYNESLAM 21:40, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I suggest finding a Wikiproject that you're interested in and doing some work in it. There is such a large variety of them that I'm sure you can find something. It would be good if the Wikiproject involved creating content, since that is the most important thing in Wikipedia (and something that I need to work more on myself). --Slon02 (talk) 00:24, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm now patrolling new pages. WAYNESLAM 00:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Just a note that I changed your A7 tagging to a G10. While you are correct that Enily Laskoe is not important enough for an encyclopedia entry, it is an obvious attack page that deserves a G10 tagging. One of the tricky things about newpage patrol is that you need to prioritize your taggings - you need to be able to figure out which tag is more important and should be placed on the article. Don't worry, new page patrol is tricky for everyone at first. access_denied (talk) 21:34, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

It is and sometimes it can be multiple reasons. WAYNESLAM 21:35, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

There's a template for that. Might be {{db-multiple}}. G3 would have worked for that, as well. I don't know any two-year-olds, but I've never heard of any reaching being 94 inches tall. Now, off to block to the creator methinks. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:40, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

@Mitchell, if it is an attack page, you blank the content and apply {{db-g10|blanked=true}} to the page. Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:43, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm well aware of that. I delete G10s almost every day. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:50, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

90% of db-multiples are {{db-multiple|a7|g11}}. Usually, I pick the one that's most applicable, but db-multiple is sometimes the best tag. Also, one other tip; read WP:NONSENSE. G1 is one of the most misunderstood criteria, and one you probably won't see too often. I have to correct db-nonsense tags from a lot of users, some who've been around for years, so make sure you read what G1 actually means before you use it. I can point you to a couple examples if you want. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:18, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Has there ever been a time when a page was tagged for speedy deletion for more than two reasons? WAYNESLAM 22:20, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I've done that once; I once tagged something for a7, g11, and g12. It's pretty unusual, but it can happen every once in a while. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:22, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

What was the article's name and who was the user who created it? WAYNESLAM 22:25, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to do some digging, it was a while ago, but I'll find it for you. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. WAYNESLAM 22:50, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne, true G1 articles are very rare but I have one at User:Access Denied/Adoption/CSD Examples if you scroll down all the way to the bottom. access_denied (talk) 00:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Isn't G1 a patent nonsense article? WAYNESLAM 00:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes- I think that the one that he is talking about is User:Access_Denied/Adoption/CSD_Examples#Example_20. --Slon02 (talk) 00:39, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Access Denied, shouldn't you have more examples? WAYNESLAM 00:42, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

He can take my examples if he wants. I didn't know anybody had made examples of pages deleted under CSD :) . Reaper Eternal (talk) 01:57, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Do you mind if I could add examples on your examples page of vandalism that users may likely make on an attack page that they created such as penis, for example? WAYNESLAM 02:01, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind. Or maybe I should create a page where you could post examples of pages you tagged for CSD and I will give you feedback on them. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind you creating it. You could create it right now per my request. My username is Wayne Slam not WayneSlam so the name should be like this: User:Reaper Eternal/Wayne SlamCSD. WAYNESLAM 02:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Done. Here it is. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:33, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I have school tomorrow, so I will check it out/use it after school at home. I will also add it to my watchlist. WAYNESLAM 02:36, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I have removed your rollback privileges per consensus at [1]. Sorry Wayne, but this is for your own good as well as the community's. It was also suggested that you have a mentor to teach you what is and what is not vandalism, as well as the appropriate warning templates to use. When your mentor decides that you are ready for rollback again, you can request it at WP:PERM/R. Take care, Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:08, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I've removed your Huggle privileges in addition to Eagles' actions. I may see this a little differently, but this is not the first time you have been Huggling well above the speed limit. I can see you regaining Huggle rights in the future, but truth be told, I think this is the last of the things you should get back—I tend to suspect that if you had been doing things the old fashioned way by loading and examining diffs when you could view the entire article, this may well not have happened. After you get rollback back, and use that well for some period of time, then come talk to me and we'll discuss restoring your Huggle access. Courcelles 03:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne, I'm sorry this happened to you. Would you like me to mentor you? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 03:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne was looking for a mentor a while ago, and was offered by someone in June 2010, but that adoption offer was removed since Wayne did not respond. Not that it has anything to do with this directly, but I think it shows that Wayne was looking for someone to guide him. I think mentorship would be a good idea in this situation and should help Wayne greatly. Netalarm^talk 03:56, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I worked some with Tommy2010, so I've seen your name pop up before. If you ever want to check out new page patrolling, I'd be more than happy to work with you and Utahraptor. You can do NPP without automated tools (I did it that way for a couple of months), and there are far fewer people doing it, so it usually moves a bit slower and mistakes get corrected without much harm done. I think you'd really enjoy it, too, because you end up learning a lot from looking at the things people create. With a little guidance, I think you'll do just fine; all you need is a little polishing. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll be glad to offer any assistance I can. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:58, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Some users just don't like me. I need assistance unfortunately. I wanted a second chance but I didn't get it. Now my edit count will suffer because now I'm done with rollback due to it being removed. I just wish I would get a second chance but I didn't get it. I'm not very happy right now. WAYNESLAM 16:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for reassuring everyone that revoking rollback was a good thing. Wikipedia is not a race. Your edit count is not what matters, it's your contributions. Your failure to realize this is one reason why you don't have rollback privileges now. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:24, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne, I know you're a good editor, but what you're saying about your edit count shows that you're looking at things the wrong way, and that frankly, you should be thinking about how to best approach your own editing before even thinking about adminship. The health of the wiki (including new editors not being scared away by having their good faith edits labeled as vandalism and receiving warning labels) is more important than any one editor's edit count. Edit counts don't mean anything; I could write a well sourced article twelve paragraphs long in one edit, and it could be more valuable than a hundred tiny edits somewhere else. Kansan (talk) 02:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

This is true what you're saying. Edit count doesn't mean anything. I don't want the new editors to think that this is a bad a wiki, due to their good faith edits being called vandalism and the warning templates they're getting. If this would have happened to you, would you feel bad about that user? WAYNESLAM 02:17, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

So, now I'm disappointed because of this. Could somebody mentor me? I'm not getting help right away and I need some help now, please. I don't want to retire because of this. WAYNESLAM 16:26, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

(ec)Well you needed to take things a bit slower, especially with Huggle, as I mentioned a few days ago and it seems that you didn't. Think of it as a temporary suspension of your license for speeding. It's probably beneficial, both to you and to the project. You can easily get things back by working with a few more experienced editors, like myself, Utahraptor and The Blade of the Northern Lights. Also, Eagles is right. It's the quality of your contributions that matters, not the quantity of them. Now, if you mentoring, you have three offers above, including me, but that's not an overnight process. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Make that five offers :). Wayne, don't take this the wrong way; the removal was for your own good. I see a lot of potential in you, but you just need a push in the right direction. Derild4921Review Me! 16:35, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

And six. Remember that the quality of your edits is more important than the quality. And I'd suggest a little content work so you know what it feels like to have a good edit reverted as vandalism. access_denied (talk) 16:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

At least I'm getting some advice from you guys. Like I said earlier, I don't want to retire because of this. WAYNESLAM 16:44, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict x3)"Now my edit count will suffer because now I'm done with rollback." Wayne, that's not the point. The point is working to improve an encyclopedia, not try and gain the most edits. I've read on your user page that you want to become an admin; I have a feeling this is why you want such a large edit count. To be blunt, if you were to try for RfA any time within the next three or so months, you would fail. For the record, adminship is completely uncorrelated to edit count; candidates such as these have all passed with relatively low edit counts, while candidates with higher edit counts than yours, such as these have been unsuccessful. I see you nominated the last of those unsuccessful candidates; perhaps you should take that alone as a sign that edit count ≠ admin material. Ultimately, it boils down to the quality of the edits, not the quantity.

Additionally, your rollback wasn't revoked because "some users just don't like [you]." It was revoked because your mistakes with Huggle were becoming much too frequent. We are not biased against you; we are simply trying to help you. You certainly have the potential to become a truly magnificent vandal fighter; but for now, I would strongly advise focusing your attention to other efforts. I hear you're already involved with the Guild of Copy Editors. Cheers, and good luck.

@ Access Denied: Quality is more important than itself? ;) --Dylan620 ^{(t • c • r)} 16:48, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

And Wayne, you don't have to retire because of this. Count me in as #7 to offer you mentorship. --Dylan620 ^{(t • c • r)} 16:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Dylan, confirmed. You are now my mentor. All I want to say is, I'm sorry and I won't let it happen again. Will you please forgive for what I have done wrong? I won't do it again. WAYNESLAM 18:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey Wayne, I see you've run into a bit of a jam. I also note you were a friend of Tommy2010 before he retired. I was too. You may note from my userpage that I'm a rollbacker and huggler as well, though I don't use huggle that much anymore. There's just so much more to the project than reverting "PENIS!" from random pages. If you'd like I can introduce you to new page patrol and articles for creation. Both are quite fun. There are also other vandalism tools out there that don't require special permissions. Good luck, and if you need any help don't hesitate to ask me. Oh, and I'm a huge fan of no. 23. N419BH 19:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I may retire soon, too but I want you to introduce me to new page patrolling, please. Cool, that you're a Michael Jordan since he won six championships with the Chicago Bulls. Someone also removed me from Huggle's users and whitelist, LOL. WAYNESLAM 19:21, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Apology accepted. :) If there's anything you'd like help with, feel free to let me know. --Dylan620 ^{(t • c • r)} 20:50, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I will. WAYNESLAM 23:26, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne, I'd also like to offer my assistance. Please feel free to visit my talk page and ask me a question any time, whether it's vandal related, new page patrol related or whatever. I can usually find an answer for it! --5 albert square (talk) 00:26, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind having more than one user assist me, the more, the better I will do in the future with help. You could also assist me too, 5 albert square, confirmed. WAYNESLAM 00:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Well like I say when you need help feel free to drop by my talk page :) --5 albert square (talk) 00:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done if I need to ask you a question. WAYNESLAM 00:46, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Mind if I become your third mentor? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 03:20, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Here are the other two: Dylan and 5 albert square. WAYNESLAM 02:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Just for future reference, I would have tagged this article for speedy deletion instead of tagging it for cleanup and no categories etc. If you read the article it doesn't explain why the person is notable and the business isn't yet set up so would qualify for speedy deletion under A7. --5 albert square (talk) 01:56, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'll keep asking you questions if I need to. WAYNESLAM 01:57, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Found the page I was thinking of; it was called Pablo and the paintset. It was a garage band, was an advertisement for the band, and was an obvious copyright violation of the band's (if I remember correctly) Facebook profile. I initially tagged it an A7, but I tacked the other ones on when I looked at it again. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:04, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I think this was a long time that this happened, or was it recently? WAYNESLAM 23:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

It was late July, so it was several months ago. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay. WAYNESLAM 01:29, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Just a quick note to let you know I removed the A7 speedy deletion tag from this article. A7 specifically only applies to articles about people, individual animals, organizations and web content. Since RBER is a communications engineering concept it is not covered by any of these. Actually, I'm quite surprised we didn't have an RBER article already, although the present article will obviously need quite a lot of work to get up to standard...

Cheers,

Thparkth (talk) 14:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, just to add: your edit summary of "add" was not helpful: "speedy" or "db-a7" would have been good. I know you're on a learning curve, so thought it worth a mention! PamD (talk) 14:52, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! WAYNESLAM 23:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello Wayne

I just thought I'd drop by your talk page and find out how things are going. How are you finding new page patrolling? --5 albert square (talk) 02:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

It's good, 5 albert square, and I like new page patrolling. WAYNESLAM 20:29, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Good, well any questions just drop by my talk page --5 albert square (talk) 20:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done. WAYNESLAM 20:53, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello Wayne Slam. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Syed Abdul Rasheed Koya Thangal, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7, and Google suggests it is not a hoax. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:30, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi! I see you're working at NPP right now. Whenever you add an expand tag, like you did to Chris Biller, please may you explain what parts of the article needs to be expanded? You can do that on the article's talk page. I apologise for removing it so quickly, but some tags such as cleanup, POV-check, expand and other non-self explanatory tags do have to be explained. Minimac (talk) 21:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll get it next time. WAYNESLAM 21:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, keep in mind that it is proper practice to use stub templates instead of expand ones on small articles. Expand templates are used for articles that are beyond stub length, or for sections of articles that need expanding. --Slon02 (talk) 04:41, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Could you please go to the talk page and explain this edit?

Thanks Geo Swan (talk) 01:17, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I was trying to add the date, but nothing happened so I undid my addition. WAYNESLAM 01:20, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Wayne! Just to let you know, the documentation for {{Misleading}} says that the only parameters that work with that template are {{misleading|article}} and {{misleading|section}}. Thus, {{misleading|date=}} will just yield the same results as plain old {{misleading}}. It’s odd, though, since virtually all cleanup templates take a date= parameter. Hope this helps. — SpikeToronto 18:27, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, since you only have two options to choose from Template:Misleading which is {{misleading|section}} and {{misleading|article}}, Spike. WAYNESLAM 20:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne, I'm not sure if you've read SpikeToronto's reply in this thread yet. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:12, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I saw his reply, Eagles. What should you say about his reply? WAYNESLAM 18:16, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I just wanted to make sure you saw his reply before I archive it in a few days. You don't have to reply if you don't want to. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:19, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, but who do you think is the best mentor for me? WAYNESLAM 18:20, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

That's one decision I can't make for you. I don't personally know the "candidates" well, and I can't say "John Doe is the best mentor for you because s/he has great knowledge in policy and fighting vandalism." You are going to have to decide for yourself, or you can go with the suggestion that you can have one mentor in each area of Wikipedia. When you have officially made up your mind (you've been wavering a lot), you may want to alert who you have chosen, so that they can point you in the right direction. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:28, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I think Utahraptor knows a lot about Wikipedia rules and policies and he's part of WP:GOCE. I think I'll choose him since he's got experience. WAYNESLAM 18:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

That's fine, and when Dylan620 comes back from his wikibreak he may want to help you as well. Go let Utahraptor know that you have chosen him. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:37, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

That's fine with me.  Done. WAYNESLAM 18:38, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

I rather just do my new page patrolling until my mentors think I'm ready.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
If you want to get your rollback rights returned, you may want to fight some vandalism manually, just to show people that you are ready for rollback to be returned. Inka888 22:00, 10 December 2010 (UTC) Inka is right, while it may be a tedious process to revert, then warn people by actually typing the templates gasp! It will help show how you identify vandalism. Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 22:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC) Eh, Huggle is for wimps anyway. I don't use it and I'm damn close to one of the fastest reverters on the site. HalfShadow 22:09, 10 December 2010 (UTC) I'll do it by clicking Special:Tags. WAYNESLAM 22:20, 10 December 2010 (UTC) Hi Wayne, I really wouldn't do any vandal fighting at the moment. I would spend longer familiarising yourself with Wikipedia's policies before doing any vandal fighting. You've had your license suspended, anti-vandal tools, especially Huggle are not going to be returned for some time. You're doing a good job with the new pages patrolling, keep it up :) --5 albert square (talk) 22:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC) Thanks, new page patrolling seems better at this moment, Albert. At least you care, I appreciate it. :) WAYNESLAM 22:46, 10 December 2010 (UTC) That's ok, by the way my names not Albert it's actually Louise lol! My username comes from Albert Square, the setting for EastEnders, no 5 is the home of Lauren Branning and family, my favourites :) --5 albert square (talk) 22:55, 10 December 2010 (UTC) But following your mentors advice :D Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 22:56, 10 December 2010 (UTC) I am, LOL. @5 albert square: Do you mind if I call you Louise, LOL, and okay? WAYNESLAM 22:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC) I personally rely on this if I want to find vandal edits. mechamind90 07:30, 11 December 2010 (UTC) Okay, but how come some filter edits are disallowed? WAYNESLAM 17:36, 11 December 2010 (UTC) I know some are disallowed because of filter settings, but at least a broader range of more recent edits are still covered in that filter. Even if it says "Warn" or "None" you might be able to prepare, but only if you know the filter edits looks like vandalism. mechamind90 00:59, 12 December 2010 (UTC) That's why some of those filter edits don't appear in the page history of an any article because it's disallowed. They also have specific types of vandalism such as "poop" vandalism. Why did the tag possible test edits get disallowed? WAYNESLAM 01:02, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, that's nowhere near a DYK nomination. The hook needs to be an interesting fact which occurs, and is sourced, in the nominated article. Feel free to try again, however. Rodhullandemu 19:24, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

This is the first time I nominated an article for DYK, so I don't know much about it. WAYNESLAM 20:03, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

It's a good idea to look at the Main Page to see what DYKs should look like to a reader. Also, the DYK main page gives clues as to how articles qualify for inclusion. Generally, they should be new or expanded recently. Hope that helps. Rodhullandemu 02:14, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! WAYNESLAM 02:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

You recently tagged Three Brooks Local Nature Reserve as having no lead. While this tag was correct, the section entitled "Background" could have been considered the lead. Make sure you look more carefully for a lead formatted as a body section before adding the {{lead missing}} tag. Other than that you're doing a fine job. Keep it up. :) The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 00:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Oops, I'm sorry about that. I will. Thanks! WAYNESLAM 00:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

On a related note, the article mentioned above is in need of a copy edit. I want you to perform the copy edit so I can see how well you do in the copy editing field. If you choose not to, then I'll do the copy edit. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 00:15, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

It would be nice if you can tag it with the copyedit tag and I will do the copyediting. I want to contribute more for WP:GOCE so I'll do the copyediting. I'll let you know if it looks good. WAYNESLAM 00:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done with the tagging, but next time, keep in mind that an article doesn't have to have a {{copyedit}} tag for a member of the Guild of Copy Editors to copy edit it. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 00:21, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Got it! How does this look? WAYNESLAM 00:22, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Wayne, just FYI, I just corrected your spelling in that article. Nothing major but I changed "organizes" to "organises". The reason being is that it's a British article, as far as I'm aware that means it should have the British spelling and us Brits spell the word as "organises".--5 albert square (talk) 01:05, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Louise. Hope you don't mind me calling you that, LOL. Have you ever copy-edited before? WAYNESLAM 01:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, you're welcome and no I don't mind you calling me that. I have copy edited in the past but not very much and not for some time. If I can remember correctly I think the last article I did that to was Callum Stone but it now needs it again!--5 albert square (talk) 01:22, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I think you may want to join WP:GOCE in order to copy edit articles. You don't have to join though. WAYNESLAM 01:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes I'm already a member :) --5 albert square (talk) 01:30, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay. WAYNESLAM 01:31, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Wayne! Regarding User:5 albert square’s very apt comments regarding spelling, you might want to take a look at the policy guidelines at WP:ENGVAR, WP:TIES, WP:RETAIN, and WP:COMMONALITY. These outline the policies to which she was referring. Each of these is a very brief subsection of the larger Wikipedia:Manual of Style, so they will be a quick read for you. However, each of these has, in turn, a link to larger and/or related guidelines on the topic, if you’re interested. Have fun! — SpikeToronto 01:36, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Spike, since the English Wikipedia isn't only American and it varies in different forms of English depending on its spelling. WAYNESLAM 01:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah there is also templates that you can place on the talk pages of articles to avoid confusion but for the life of me I can't find where I got the one for Talk:BBC from!--5 albert square (talk) 02:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

{{talkheader}} is one of them. WAYNESLAM 02:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Your copy edit looks good, Wayne. There were a couple mistakes, such as the English variant mixup, but for the most part your work was good. Have you signed up for the Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 backlog elimination drive? If not, you should. Keep up the good work! The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 03:59, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to say that, at least to me, his copyedit seemed rather incomplete, and that it is going too far to call it "good". --Slon02 (talk) 04:37, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd agree with that - have just made quite a few more changes to the article, most of which I'd describe as copy-editing (perhaps definable as "making improvements to the article for which no subject knowledge is needed, just common sense, general literacy and awareness of WP:MOS etc"). I'm puzzled by the attitude to copy-editing above: no-one needs to be a member of GOCE in order to copy-edit, and no article has to have a "needs copy editing" tag before you or any other editor can helpfully copy-edit it, either thoroughly or just correcting the odd problem in passing. When you spot a problem in any article, and are sure it's a problem (eg not correcting spelling mistakes within quotations, which is a common incorrect "correction"), then just fix it. And leave an edit summary which explains what you've done.

The article probably still needs some pruning, to get rid of excessive detail such as time of work group meetings, but it's better than it was! PamD (talk) 09:09, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I've taken another look at it and corrected a few more things. May need just a bit more polishing, though. And by good, I meant good for a new copy editor. Wayne will gain more copy editing experience with time. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 16:08, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Per your request, I signed up for the January 2011 backlog drive. I hope I will get a barnstar or more for my work on GOCE, Utahraptor. WAYNESLAM 17:16, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

… on this and this. I might suggest that, since this is a brand new registered editor and we don’t want to bite the newbies, you might want to add a welcome message and perhaps a reminder to use edit summaries to his/her talk page above the December 2010 heading.

This edit is an example. It was produced by inserting the following at the top of the user’s talk page:

__TOC__

== Welcome ==

{{subst:Welcomeg}}<br>

== [[WP:ES|Edit Summaries]] ==

{{subst:Summary}} ~~~~

The welcome is like the spoonful of sugar that makes the medicine of the warning templates easier to go down. Keep up the good work!

— SpikeToronto 01:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, and would it be fine if I could do both or will that still be bitey? I assumed good faith with this. How come you use both? An IP address also uses a similar welcome to yours. WAYNESLAM 01:50, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. It’s the same idea. A welcome message coupled with a first-time warning to a brand spanking new editor let’s him/her know that we still welcome his/her contributions. And, it gives them links to follow to learn how things are done here.

Also, from Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace#Foreign-language contributors, there is a template, {{subst:welcomeen-en|other language}}, that one uses to let the editor know that there is another Wikipedia in their language to which they may prefer to contribute. One uses a language code from the list here. Unfortunately, I cannot tell for the life of me which code is for Serbo-Croatian, if there even is one! In any event, I only mention this to you for future reference.

By the way, how are you able to use Twinkle given that you were added to its blacklist? — SpikeToronto 02:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

It's actually Friendly that you're asking me about. The name says Twinkle but its actually Friendly. Anyway, how can an administrator edit another person's settings? WAYNESLAM 02:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Apparently, Friendly and Twinkle are being merged, hence why Friendly users see TW (i.e., Twinkle) in their edit summaries. Unfortunately, the Twinkle blacklist is not yet operational on Friendly users. Go easy since, per the ANI discussion, you’re not supposed to be using any automated tools; rather, you are supposed to be learning the ropes by working manually. Still, to get back to the main thrust of this thread, Keep up the good work. — SpikeToronto 02:50, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it will cause any harm since I'm not supposed to use any anti-vandal tools and Friendly is Welcoming users, tagging pages, talkback, and a shared IP. Thanks. If you don't want me to use it, I won't. I unchecked it from my preferences and it's still on my screen afterwards. That's like a glitch. Could I still use HotCat though since it's adding categories with ease? WAYNESLAM 17:11, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

(←) I see no problem with HotCat. To remove friendly you will have to bypass your cache first. access_denied (talk) 04:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I removed it and now it's gone. I'm allowed to use it per Eagles247's reply on his talk page. WAYNESLAM 20:44, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey Wayne, you may want to consider getting rights for AutoWikiBrowser here, you meet the requirements and it would help you copyedit. Cheers. Usb10 ^Connected? 22:30, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Opps, now I see that you aren't allowed to use any automated tools. Never mind. Usb10 ^Connected? 22:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

If you look at the first reply by Eagles247 in this conversation, you should read what he said. He said that I'm barred from mainly counter-vandalism tools. he never said anything about me not using AWB. WAYNESLAM 22:38, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

AWB may not be an anti-vandalism tool, but it is capable of making edits just as quickly as Huggle can, if not faster. Until you can be trusted once again to edit as quickly as you did with Huggle, I strongly recommend against using AWB. --Dylan620 ^{(t • c • r)} 22:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Fine, I won't use it until I'm trusted by you or the Utahraptor. WAYNESLAM 22:50, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) In my opinion, this looks more like you all don't want him to make more edits. As long as he reads over the revision, shouldn't it be fine for him to use AWB? However, I do disagree making almost half of your edits automatically. You should do most manually. Nascar1996 22:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I use Friendly to tag pages and I use HotCat to add categories since I'm allowed to use these two tools. WAYNESLAM 22:55, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Dylan620 (talk · contribs), he should stay away from automation, for now. Tofutwitch11 ^(TALK) 23:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

@Nascar1996: We want him to make edits, but he has shown in the past that he gets too button-friendly with automated editing and frequently makes poor decisions. With mainly manual editing (with the exception of Friendly and HotCat), Wayne has shown good judgment, but for now I think he will lose his good judgment immediately upon using Huggle or AWB. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:18, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

According to what Dylan said, Eagles, AWB can be as fast as Huggle or even faster than Huggle. I rather not jeopardize my good judgement by deciding not to use AWB or Huggle for right now. I agree with what you're saying. WAYNESLAM 23:22, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Coming here as per the request on my talk page to add my two pennies worth. I don't think that Wayne should be using AWB just yet. He only got Huggle etc blocked a few weeks ago and was told to learn more about the other aspects of Wikipedia. I expect he is probably still learning them. I would suggest requesting AWB in a few months time once he's more familiar with other areas of Wikipedia--5 albert square (talk) 23:26, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I rather you become trusted again. However, Huggle is different than AWB. Huggle is a vandalism fighter, AWB, I use to make spell corrections and add templates such as clean up, very similair to Friendly. So you want him to make edits, just not fast (I'm assuming so he could think things out). Nascar1996 23:28, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

But AWB works just as fast as Huggle. The issue is not that AWB isn't a counter vandalism tool, it's that it's a quick tool, and as you can remember, Wayne was reported to ANI for abusing a quick tool. The automated tools Wayne is currently using do not operate as fast as Huggle or AWB. Therefore, I think we should wait before giving Wayne the AWB tool. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 23:33, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I've never used AWB before, Utahraptor. I started Huggle with no help and I did well up to a certain point when I started messing up too much with the tool. WAYNESLAM 23:39, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Things are, unfortunately, not that simple, Wayne. You may have never used that tool before, but the fact that you misused Huggle shows that you must improve your judgment before trying another quick automated tool. Consider this: Do you want to take the risk of misusing AWB and being reported at ANI again? Or do you want to wait a while to make sure your judgment has improved? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 23:46, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I want to wait a while to make sure my judgment has improved. WAYNESLAM 23:49, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

How can you judge him on his automatic edits when he can't use them? Manually is different; your doing it by yourself. Nascar1996 23:51, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not necessarily judging his automatic edits. I'm judging how well he performs the AWB tasks manually. The bi-monthly Guild of Copy Editors backlog elimination drive is coming up. The Guild focuses on manually doing things that AWB does automatically. Once the January 2011 drive is over, I'll be able to see how well Wayne can do manually what AWB does automatically, and I'll be able to make my final decision then. This is not a definite thing, however, and I am open to suggestions on how to assess him sooner than the end of January. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 23:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

You may want to ask him to copy-edit a page to see how he does. Nascar1996 00:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

See the "Your tag on Three Brooks Local Nature Reserve" section above this one. Wayne has already performed a copy edit, and it was adequate, but there were still a few things that were left uncorrected. What I really want to see is some improvement in how well Wayne copy edits an article, which brings us back to the Guild of Copy Editors' January 2011 backlog elimination drive. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 00:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Before so, you could do myself a favor, and may get a featured article in return. Nascar1996 00:07, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 00:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I have an article 2010 Sylvania 300 on Wikipedia:GOCE/REQ. Nascar1996 00:22, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne, I have to admit that when I saw AWB as a subject heading on your talk page, I almost cringed. AWB, incorrectly used, can do far more damage far more quickly than Huggle. To be honest, it is such a powerful tool, that, even though I have the privileges for it and have downloaded it to my machine, I have not had the courage to try it. I think it makes Huggle look like a walk in the park. AWB makes me think of that old adage, You have to walk, before you can run. If I were you, I’d wait until well after you’re back to using Huggle/Twinkle before you consider taking a stab at AWB.

Nascar1996, at the risk of being rude, there are several threads spread across several locations that have dealt with most of the issues you raised. You might want to read Wayne’s talkpage and talkpage archives (as well as ANI) to understand the background here. Suffice to say, Wayne has placed himself under a mentorship programme in which different mentors are mentoring him on different areas of Wikipedia. It is up to Wayne and his mentors how that programme will proceed, and that includes determining which Wikipedia tools they consider suitable for Wayne’s training and progress. — SpikeToronto 05:38, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I watch his page, every comment I have seen. Nascar1996 15:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

T.I. wrote for Bow Wow. He wrote Let's Get Down. [2] 98.80.133.213 (talk) 17:32, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

--The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 02:53, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to you, too. WAYNESLAM 19:16, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Hope you have a great Christmas Wayne! --5 albert square (talk) 02:58, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, and you too, Louise. WAYNESLAM 19:15, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Wishing you a very Merry Christmas & Happy New Year! Wishing you all the very best for the season. Thanks for all your help and support this year. Merry Christmas and may Santa be good to you! – SMasters (talk) 03:55, 24 December 2010 (UTC) Click to play!

Thanks, and you too! WAYNESLAM 19:15, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey Wayne! I was thinking that, since you are using Friendly, why not join the Wikipedia:Welcoming committee (shortcut → WP:WC)? I notice a lot of new Wikipedians who, months after joining up, still have not received welcome messages. You could help with that! Check with the appropriate one of your mentors and see what s/he thinks. You might enjoy it. Have a happy holiday and enjoy the time off school! — SpikeToronto 19:20, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I think this would be great, Wayne. Before I began content work in November, I was a member of the welcoming committee. It can be fun sometimes. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 19:30, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Where is the list of users that need a welcome template? WAYNESLAM 19:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

You could try this link, but make sure they've been contributing before you welcome them. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 19:46, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, have a look at Wikipedia:Welcoming committee. — SpikeToronto 04:25, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

I've welcomed a few users today if you look at my contributions. WAYNESLAM 04:28, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for not being clear. My post was in answer to your earlier query: Where is the list of users that need a welcome template? All your questions are answered at Wikipedia:Welcoming committee. That specific question is answered here at Wikipedia:Welcoming committee#Where to find new users. Also, I second Utahraptor’s comment about not leaving welcome messages for new users who have not contributed (see here at Wikipedia:Welcoming committee#Users without any edits). Finally, do not forget to add yourself to the Welcoming Committee Members list (see here at Wikipedia:Welcoming committee#Add yourself to our member list). Have fun! — SpikeToronto 05:03, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! WAYNESLAM 23:36, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

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Featured Announcement I am proud to announce that a file relating to NASCAR has been promoted to featured status, the first for our project. The nomination, which ened December 15, 2010, was nominated by Nascar1996 and received nine supports. This couldn't have been accomplished without our projects participants, so thank you and I hope you continue to improve the project. -- Nascar1996 21:19, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Happy Holidays Everyone! Current contributors Nascar1996 (talk · contribs) Airplaneman (talk · contribs) Wayne Slam (talk · contribs) New members Impala99 (talk · contribs) - 26 November How to help WikiProject NASCAR Please keep up with the discussions at our main talk page. Your input is needed! Expand the articles in Category:NASCAR stubs. Read the project to-do list and help to complete the tasks: Here are some tasks awaiting attention: Article requests : Mary Hendrick, Kelley Earnhardt Elledge, Jack White (NASCAR), Wayne Anderson (NASCAR Modified driver) Copyedit : NASCAR, Dale Earnhardt, 2010 Aaron's 499, Jimmie Johnson, Mark Martin Expand : Road course ringer, BAM Racing, Greg Erwin, Donnie Wingo, 2008 Daytona 500 Maintain : 2024 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, 2024 NASCAR Nationwide Series, 2024 NASCAR Camping World Truck Series Photo : Richie Evans, South Boston Speedway Stubs : See all here Update : 2025 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, 2025 NASCAR Nationwide Series, 2025 NASCAR Camping World Truck Series Verify : NASCAR rules and regulations Other : More Add content to the portal Portal:NASCAR is a place where we can exhibit our best articles and most interesting free images. Any article which is FA, GA, High or Top importance can be added for display as a Selected article or as a Selected biography, free images can be added to be displayed asSelected pictures. All of these are chosen randomly for display on each page view to avoid both bias and having to manually update the page monthly. If you've created or seen an article or image that you feel would be a good addition to the portal, follow the instructions on the pages linked above. Please nominate it on the talk pages. Images Below is the NASCAR Picture of the month (found here). The picture has to be one uploaded in the last month. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. REMEMBER, YOU CAN VOTE.	Article developments See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject NASCAR/Article alerts NASCAR articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA Total GA 4 3 9 2 18 B 30 57 50 8 145 C 21 35 31 12 99 Start 21 110 292 191 614 Stub 18 52 262 516 848 List 9 45 2 56 Category 1 2 4 11 18 Disambig 4 1 1 13 19 Portal 1 4 5 Project 10 10 Redirect 2 4 6 Template 2 14 5 4 19 44 NA 1 1 Assessed 98 287 701 747 50 1,883 Total 98 287 701 747 50 1,883 New Good Articles: 2010 Sylvania 300 2010 AAA 400 Current Good Article Nominees: 2010 Price Chopper 400 Phoenix International Raceway Indianapolis Motor Speedway Charlotte Motor Speedway Completed Peer Reviews: 2010 Sylvania 300 - Archived Review New articles: Johanna Long 1971 Myers Brothers 250 1966 Columbia 200 1961 Buddy Shuman 250 1971 West Virginia 500 1977 Talladega 500 1976 American 500 1964 Wilkes 400 1965 Gwyn Staley 400
Article of the month – 2010 Sylvania 300, a recent Good Article The 2010 Sylvania 300 was a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series stock car race held on September 19, 2010, at New Hampshire Motor Speedway in Loudon, New Hampshire. The 300 lap race was the twenty-seventh in the 2010 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, as well as the first race in the ten-race Chase for the Sprint Cup, which ends the season. Clint Bowyer, of the Richard Childress Racing team, won the race, with Denny Hamlin finishing second, and Jamie McMurray third. Pole position driver Brad Keselowski maintained his lead in the first lap, but in the second lap Tony Stewart pulled ahead. Chase for the Sprint Cup participants Jimmie Johnson, Kurt Busch, and Hamlin were in the top ten for most of the race, but in the closing laps all of them suffered spins or other problems. Hamlin was the only one to recover and finish in the top five. With two laps remaining, Tony Stewart was leading the race when he ran out of fuel, giving the lead to Bowyer, who also led the most laps in the race with 176. There were eight cautions and twenty-three lead changes among eight different drivers during the race. The race was Clint Bowyer's first win in the 2010 season, and the third of his career. The result advanced Bowyer to second in the Drivers' Championship, thirty-five points behind Hamlin and ten ahead of Kevin Harvick, but because of a penalty three days after the race, he fell to twelfth in the standings. Chevrolet maintained its lead in the Manufacturers' Championship, thirty-two points ahead of Toyota and seventy-four ahead of Ford, with nine races remaining in the season. A total of 95,000 people attended the race, while 3.68 million watched it on television. (More...)
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Merry Christmas to you, Wayne! Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:45, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Reaper! WAYNESLAM 03:46, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! WAYNESLAM 18:29, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Lol at subject heading xD. Anyway Wayne just wanted to stop by and wish you a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays (: STATic message me! 00:34, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, STAT-Verse and you too. WAYNESLAM 00:52, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi There.

You've logged the Plane Crazy Down Under aviation podcast entry as needing more references. There's already reference links to a couple of aviation print-media articles on the show (admittedly on the PCDU site as the magazine in question doesn't put them online) and an online aviation news service. I've added a new reference link from the Matt Hall Racing page to confirm that he was on the show.

Can you please let me know what areas you would like to see supported with additional citations/references? I'm happy to go & hunt down additional work for the page so let me know what works for you & Wikipedia so I can get onto it (note: I've read through the citations & references entries in WP but thought the page already had sufficient to support what was happening - short of linking back to the podcast's "about us" section, etc).

Thanks heaps :) Falcon124 (Take that runway, and that, and that...) (talk) 01:21, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

The Presenters and History sections need references. WAYNESLAM 01:25, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

OK - will get them sorted out this week (just been adding some external references about various guests appearing on the show). Thanks again for your help. Falcon124 (Take that runway, and that, and that...) (talk) 01:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome. WAYNESLAM 01:44, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne, if it is particular sections of an article that are in need of references, and not the entire article, you should add {{Refimprove section}} to the particular sections rather than adding a {{Refimprove}} at the top of the entire article. Have a look at the various verification templates at Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup (shortcut → WP:TMC) in the Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup#Verifiability and sources section. — SpikeToronto 06:21, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I was going to tell Wayne that, but it looks like you beat me to it. Keep up the good work, Wayne. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 13:37, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Utahraptor. WAYNESLAM 16:21, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the spelling mistakes on my drafts. Its much appretiated. STATic message me! 20:54, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome! :) WAYNESLAM 23:48, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I just wanted to fake-block him. I'm sorry.--NASCAR I am (talk) 04:20, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Wayne. Thanks for helping out on my user talk. See ya 'round Tiderolls 04:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome, Tide rolls. WAYNESLAM 16:26, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Season's Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors We have reached the end of the year, and what a year it has been! The Guild of Copy Editors was full of activity, and we achieved numerous important milestones in 2010. Read all about these in the Guild's 2010 Year-End Report. Highlights Membership grows to 503 editors 2,589 articles removed through four Backlog elimination drives Our encounter with Jimbo Wales Guild home pages reorganized and redesigned Report on our inaugural elections Guild Plans for 2011 New barnstars introduced Requests page improved Sign up for the January 2011 Backlog elimination drive! Get your copy of the Guild's 2010 Year-End Report here On behalf of the Guild, we take this opportunity to wish you Season's Greetings and Happy New Year. See you in 2011! – Your Coordinators: S Masters (lead), Diannaa, The Utahraptor, and Tea with toast.

Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 07:03, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I see that you're enjoying new page patrolling and copy editing. How would you like to get back into the business of vandal fighting? If you prefer new page patrolling and copy editing, then that's fine. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 03:50, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I want to get back into the business of vandal fighting. That's my decision. Will you tell Eagles247 that I'm ready to go back to vandal fighting? I may still do some new page patrolling and copy-editing when there's no vandalism around. WAYNESLAM 16:33, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Why would I need to tell Eagles? Unfortunately, you're not ready for rollback just yet. You have to practice using just the undo function for a while before you get rollback back. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 16:36, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Will you let me know when I'm ready for rollback? WAYNESLAM 16:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne Slam (talk · contribs), I know I am not your mentor, and I agree with The Utahraptor (talk · contribs). Try scrolling through recent changes, that's how I began :P. You'll get there, don't worry. Tofutwitch11 ^(TALK) 16:39, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I think that's how all of us vandal fighters began. Wayne, I would like you to read WP:VANDTYPES before you begin patrolling Recent Changes. Could you do that for me? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 16:41, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'll take a look at it, Utahraptor. WAYNESLAM 16:42, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

When I reverted this I thought of showing it to you and asking why I reverted it. So, why do you think I reverted that edit? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 03:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

It was a personal attack. When I reverted personal attacks, I gave the attacker a vandalism warning most of the time because of the attack. One time on Huggle, I gave a user a personal attack warning. WAYNESLAM 03:13, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Very good. When you revert/undo a personal attack, make sure you always give a personal attack warning. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 03:16, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I will if I can tell if it's a personal attack. Sometimes, I can't tell if a personal attack is a personal attack. Doesn't it seem similar to vandalism depending on what they say? WAYNESLAM 03:19, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

It can, but more often than not personal attacks are detectable. It just takes practice to be able to tell a personal attack apart from vandalism, and we'll work on that. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 03:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I need to try to contribute more to GOCE. I know how to copy-edit the smaller articles but it's hard for me to copy-edit the larger articles because it's too large and it's a lot of work. WAYNESLAM 03:24, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they are a lot of work. When I copy edit large articles, I find it easier if I divide it up in sections. That is, I copy edit one section, take a short break, copy edit another section, take another short break. I do this until the copy edit is complete. It takes practice and patience, but it gives you a sense of accomplishment when you finish. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 03:27, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It's true. Some of the most satisfying ones are the most difficult ones. --Diannaa ^(Talk) 06:15, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I need to start from simple and then work my way up the ladder. Utahraptor should help me. WAYNESLAM 19:53, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I know you have editors to help you, but once you earn the right back and you make some mistakes, take a break from it. It helps me when I do vandal fighting. Nascar1996 21:56, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I may do copy-editing or new page patrolling when that happens. Some users use Huggle everyday. WAYNESLAM 21:58, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I remember when I used to Huggle every day. Nowadays I do a lot of behind-the-scenes copy editing. I'm more of a WikiGnome than a vandal fighter. But I'll still dust off the big red button when I have nothing else to do. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 22:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not one of them; I find vandal fighting wasting too much time in real life. I mostly protect NASCAR articles by checking the recent changes to relative articles. I'm trying to get into the copy-editing project once I understand what people change in the articles that I nominate for good article review, but until then I'm going to do the same that I have done since February. Good luck getting your rights to rollback back. Nascar1996 22:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, and I copy-edited a NASCAR article from WP:NASCAR that I put in the GOCE in November 2010. When you vandal-fight you edit types of articles that you normally don't edit. You just revert vandalism from a random article. Sometimes a NASCAR-related article can get vandalized while you're on Huggle and you may revert it. WAYNESLAM 22:29, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm trying to improve NASCAR related articles right now. It is my goal. When I began there was only 5 good articles, but now there are 14 or so, with my help (8) articles. I also found the projects first featured picture. I'm really trying hard to get a FA, but its going to be hard to do. If you didn;t know, when I first earned rollback I did alot of vandal fighting too (around March of this year). I'm currently just focasing whats on my watchlist, instead of viewing everyhthing else. It is also why I'm not going to try for adminship anytime soon since I only edit NASCAR articles. Nascar1996 22:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I know you were vandal fighting in March. You do most of the work on WP:NASCAR. You also had three-four DYKs. You're working on next year's article which is soon to be this year. I don't know much about DYKs or GAs a.k.a. good articles. Do you think all the NASCAR articles that need copy-editing from WP:NASCAR should be with GOCE, too? WAYNESLAM 22:47, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I know that most of the articles need copy-editing. I have been working on them one at a time, such as Rick Hendrick, J. D. Gibbs, and I have also worked on Ricky Hendrick. I'm also working on 2010 Kobalt Tools 500 (Phoenix). Nascar1996 22:57, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, but will you nominate these articles for good articles once it's finished? WAYNESLAM 22:59, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Probably the race article, but after I nominate 2010 Ford 400 (which I'm checking). Nascar1996 23:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay. WAYNESLAM 23:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)