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Category:Books about the history of San Francisco

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual merge per WP:NARROWCAT; only two articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Palestinian Joint Operations Room

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:24, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 03:30, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those are different types of categories, Category:Palestinian Joint Operations Room member groups is a "set", but the other is a topic. I was not sure whether to remove the topic category from the pages when I created the set? But if "overlapping" is a problem, then I can clean that up now, i.e. removing the category from anything that is also in the set? FourPi (talk) 04:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
> removing the category from anything that is also in the set?
Please don't do that. Wait for others to see what the category currently looks like.Mason (talk) 13:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete? Merge? Keep?
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Delete's fine with me. Mason (talk) 17:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Canadian ministers

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ministerial offices in Canada. And thank you to participants for keeping it civil! HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I've been working a lot on fixing the capitalizations of the subcategories and aligning the categories in Category:Government ministers by country and I don't see why these would be two separate categories. It makes sense to merge "Canadian ministers" (which isn't the typical Minister of x of Country title) to the target from my point of view instead of throwing all the positions into a deeper category. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Striking my old vote; I explanation below makes sense and I didn't put the two together. Lean oppose with a preference to rename category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus appears to favor a rename, but some discussion on the rename target would be helpful :)
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In Canadian usage, "ministry" would definitely refer to the organization headed by the minister, not the office of the minister.--Srleffler (talk) 08:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, @Srleffler, @Hey man im josh, that's a fair point. In which case I think the correct phrasing would be "ministerial positions". "Minister" is only one title usually referring to the head of that department. "Ministerial positions" would cover all the different positions like "Registrar General" or "Deputy Leader" or "Associate minister" or "President of the Council" and so on. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like that a lot actually. To be clear, we'd do Category:Ministerial positions of Canada? Hey man im josh (talk) 13:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh, I found the closest similar category to be Category:Ministerial offices in the United Kingdom. It matches up so yes. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:17, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, @Bearcat, @Srleffler, @Hey man im josh. Pinging for an overall opinion for Category:Ministerial offices in Canada which would match the above mentioned UK category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:25, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Works for me Bearcat (talk) 19:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no strong opinion one way or the other on this category.--Srleffler (talk) 22:19, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Works for me. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Prejudice and discrimination in fiction

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 3#Category:Prejudice and discrimination in fiction

Category:Fictional Bengali Hindus

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 12:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:XY, this is an unhelpful category redirect. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Khwarezmid rulers

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:29, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: More consistent with other articles and categories about the region (like Category:People from Khwarazm)‎. —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 18:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Films about First Nations people

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:30, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Recently created category not offering a particularly obvious distinction from its parent. Since every film in Category:First Nations films is about First Nations people by definition, it's not fully clear what would distinguish a First Nations film that belonged here from a First Nations film that didn't. Note as well that Category:Films about Native Americans, the most seemingly equivalent category to this as word order goes, is not a subcategory of a broader "Native American films" parent, but is itself the base category for films with Native American themes, characters and settings, and thus a sibling to Category:First Nations films rather than an uncle.
Also, Category:First Nations films is one of the categories that will likely need renaming per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 26#Category:First Nations, but as the issue has to do with ambiguity arising from the term's increasing usage in Australia, its new name will need to have the words "Canada" or "Canadian" in it somewhere, so reverse merging this the other way isn't the answer to that. But even if and when that does get renamed, this still won't be necessary as a separate subcategory of it. Bearcat (talk) 16:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Houses 1100-1500

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: merge, these are mostly isolated single-article categories, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Optical microscope components

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I don't see a reason to have both of these categories. Most of the entries in Category:Microscope components are particular to optical microscopes. I would be amenable to deleting Category:Microscope components instead and putting this category in its place. Srleffler (talk) 13:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To put my rationale another way, if properly populated Category:Optical microscope components would suck nearly all the entries out of Category:Microscope components and leave the latter pointless. While there are other kinds of microscope, I doubt there is much need to categorize their components. Better to have one category that covers microscope components in general. An alternative would be to have only a narrower category that is particular to optical microscope components, with components of other types of microscope left uncategorized.--Srleffler (talk) 14:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Microscope components per COMMONNAME, even though they will all be optical. Other microscopes are the exception to this, and they can be placed in sub-categories. We thus avoid a parent container empty of anything except subcategories. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not all components of microscopes are for optical microscopes, such as for electron microscopes? Keep. 46.18.177.138 (talk) 13:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are all aware of that. Can you think of any components of a non-optical microscope that would have a Wikipedia article and would be worth categorizing as "microscope components"?--Srleffler (talk) 18:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/merge per nom. This intersection is unhelpful. Mason (talk) 21:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, yes, plenty. We already have half a dozen with articles. SoCategory:Electron microscope components justifies itself as a sub-cat of Category:Microscope components in a way that optical doesn't. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Noblemen

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The result of the discussion was: prodecural no consensus. Now at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Category:Noblemen in the Kingdom of Scotland. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Do we really need an intersection between men and nobility under EGRS? I'd be find with this if it were limited to specific titles. But, as this is coded, I foresee this becoming a mess if we have untitled male nobility by nationality categories. Mason (talk) 12:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1501 establishments in Venezuela

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge and delete. Elli (talk | contribs) 13:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category:1501 establishments in Venezuela is a single-member category which is unhelpful for navigation (and Category:1500s establishments in Venezuela would have the same problem if that was the upmerge target). Upmerge for now to the century level and delete the categories which will then become empty. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ukrainian occupation of Russia

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The result of the discussion was: delete both. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Inherently flawed category; categories about military occupations do not contain occupied settlements, as the category can become rapidly out of date, especially in an ongoing war such as this one, and editors should not be expected to add or remove this type of category every time a settlement is captured or by either side. Typically, as is the case with Category:Russian occupation of Ukraine, these categories contain articles about the occupations themselves, not occupied settlements, but for this topic there is only one article pertaining specifically to the occupation, the main article on the only oblast which is partially occupied. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 11:43, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete both?
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Category:Beijing Municipal Committee of the Chinese Communist Party

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:24, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Three eponymous categories for political committees, each only containing the eponym with no other content at all. As always, everything that exists does not automatically get its own eponymous category just to recursively contain itself -- these would be fine if there were at least four or five spinoff articles to file in any of them besides the eponyms, but are not needed for just one thing. Bearcat (talk) 11:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is it possible that given 2 days I could quickly write these entries to keep these categorized? TinaLees-Jones (talk) 11:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ToadetteEdit (talk) 18:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is the population enough to keep the categories?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:The Numbers not in Wikidata

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 7#Category:The Numbers not in Wikidata