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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 22:39, 27 June 2009 [1].

2007 IIHF World Championship rosters

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Nominator(s): Scorpion0422 21:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Yet another international hockey related list. this one is based on the recently promoted 2008 IIHF World Championship rosters (FLC). Enjoy. -- Scorpion0422 21:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support based on the comments from Dabomb87 Although this is a well formatted list I really feel like the red links should have articles if we are going to make this a featured list. Not sure if that is a requirement per sey but it seems to me to be a 3a and 5a issue. Aside from that there are no dab links, sources look good and the AWB general fixes check went good.--Kumioko (talk) 03:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Red links are not a valid grounds for opposition (although see this discussion). The lack of an article on a given subject does not compromise the quality of this one. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I changed my vote to support, however I still don't like the red links, I think we should either create at least a stub for the article or else not link them at all. Everyone knows that its fairly easy to get a list to FL status but when we have a bunch of red links on one, IMO makes it appear like an unfinished list. Just my opinion. --Kumioko (talk) 13:46, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per my comment at the discussion on red links, I think linking people's names is very problematic. You may not think there is another person with that unusual name, but who knows? By creating links now, you create the potential for an article to be created for another person that is unrelated to the one that you've linked. In fact, by simply linking every name, you have at least two three links to non-hockey players here.---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 14:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Everyone makes mistakes. For now, there is nothing about redlinks in the criteria, so I don't think your oppose is actionable. I believe that every name should be linked because, in theory, most of them are notable and deserve pages because they play in pro leagues and participated in a major international tournament. -- Scorpion0422 19:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • To I'm Spartacus: What you describe doesn't sound like a problem to me. Yes, there is always a chance of multiple people of the same name. But you can't really account for that when creating an article. That's why disambiguation and page move exist and are important.—Chris! ct 19:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'm going to let my oppose stand, if it is discarded, that's fine. But I don't think we should have people's names linked until there is an article. The problem with linking them in advance of an article is that we have no idea of who/when an article will be written or if it will be written on the correct subject. Disambig and page move are fine when dealing with two people who are of marginal notability, but when dealing with Roger Moore, Roger Moore, Roger Moore, Roger Moore, Roger Moore, Roger Moore, and Roger E. Moore there is one which a casual search on the name should pull up, and then goto a dab. If a person comes in and writes a fairly long elaborate article on a notable architect, the odds are that you are more likely to see {{otheruses4|the golfer|the showdog|Tiger Woods (dog)}} than a page move and dabs created. I am very opposed to the use of linking to people's names for that reason. But you account for it by not creating a dead link. If the article doesn't exist, don't create the link, that way you don't have to worry about an article pointing to an unrelated person. To me this is an issue.
        • Either way, you do need to go through your links to make sure they are pointing to whom you think they are. The three I found were near the top. I looked at the bottom and didn't see any issues working up (through the swiss team I think.)---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 19:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just because they are notable enough for an article, does not mean you blindly create a redlink, that may or may not turn blue when an article on a hockey play/architect/poker player/criminal is created 2 years down the road. This is just asking for bad internal referencing.---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 19:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Seeing how its pretty much a copy of 2008 IIHF World Championship rosters, only with more images. The redlinks issue is not a major concern. I've tried creating articles on European ice hockey players, and the amount of reliable English-language sources is limited. Kaiser matias (talk) 21:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Although I didn't originally review the other, this is a great list with good information and lead. Please, don't feel the need to create articles just for the sake of having an article. People don't want worthless stubs that have only a single sentence like "XYZ is a hockey player for this team and played in this tournament" and the reference only mentions the name, especially if there are this many redlinks. Reywas92Talk 23:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco

Comments

Lead
  • My main concern is how the list starts in past tense with 'A minimum of 15 skaters and two goaltenders, and a maximum of 20 skaters and three goaltenders had to be selected.' and then goes to all present tense explaining the rules and regulation for the rosters. Can this be addressed somehow? Or am I just misreading this.
  • I switched everything I could find to past tense, except in the third paragraph. As it details a current set of rules, I think present tense fits.
Images
  • Caption:'Tomi Kallio played in all nine of Finland's games, and recorded a goal and two assist.' -- If I'm correct, it should be two assists
  • You are. Fixed.
  • Caption:'Marián Gáborík recorded five goals and six assists and led his team in scoring.' --> Marián Gáborík recorded five goals and six assists, and led his team in scoring.
  • Done.
References

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:32, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • Can you create a template to navigate to other IIHF rosters?
    • Done, but at the moment it's just a quickie job with only the existing pages. Once I have time, I will add in the redlinks for every tournament.
  • "highest profile annual" Doesn't sound quite right; maybe "most well known annual"
    • I prefer highest profile, I think it's less POVish than "most well known".
  • "15 skaters and two goaltenders" "15 and 2" or "fifteen and two".
    • Done.
  • "20 skaters and three goaltenders" Same comment.
    • Done.
  • "team, he could not" So this is a males-only event, correct?
    • Correct, but I switched to "they". As the rules apply to all IIHF tournaments, I'd prefer not to make it gender specific.
  • "players life."-->player's life.
    • Done.
  • "Russian Andrei Markov was named top defenceman while Kari Lehtonen of Finland was selected as top goaltender." "while"-->and
    • Done.
  • "in save percentage with 0.957"-->in save percentage, with 0.957
    • Done.
  • Just for the record, I don't see anything wrong with the red links' being there. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:32, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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