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Raveena Tandon filmography

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Nominator(s): Krish | Talk 19:44, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because the list meets the criteria and provides a sourced and well-written listing of her films. Raveena Tandon is one of Bollywood's most popular actresses. She has received critical acclaim for portraying strong women in several films and has also won the National Film Award for Best Actress. Looking forward to lots of constructive comments.Krish | Talk 19:44, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Seems odd to have some fields filled in, but others empty. Like "Director" field for some, but not all. Either way, should try to have increased standardization for maximum uniformity, throughout the page. Good luck, — Cirt (talk) 03:45, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Cirt: I have filled the table. Thanks for noting it, don't know how it slipped out of my mind. I was very busy so couldn't do it then.Krish | Talk 05:49, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looks much better. Keep us posted here if you do any more filling in on the Notes sect. — Cirt (talk) 13:52, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  • Too many missing entries in the table re: directors, roles. Referencing needs a lot more work as they don't act as source for all the info in the table. Leads needs more work on its prose.
Done.Krish | Talk 04:06, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This was followed by a series of poorly received films which continued with her 1993 releases" Needs to be rephrased.I think you mean that the 1992 film was the start of her string of films that performed poorly at the box office. Unclear what poorly received means. By critics or commercial or both?
Done.Krish | Talk 04:06, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In 1994, she appeared in eight Hindi films, most of them were commercial successes. Among these were two of the box-office hits — the action thriller Mohra and the romantic musical drama Dilwale". According to table she was in nine Hindi films in 1994. BOI source goes to 1991 not 1994. What's the source for most of them being commercial successes? The first sentence says most of them were commercial successes but the next one says only two were box office hits.
  • "Her other notable film was" Can't state that the film was notable, have to provide evidence why. Should avoid words such as as hit or flop.
  • "The later year, she appeared in " What does this mean?
  • In regards to BOI, we can't use their phrasing of what a hit is.
Done.Krish | Talk 04:06, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source needed for her taking a break from her films because of marriage
  • Confusing to discuss a TV show she appeared in before marriage, right after a sentence saying she appeared on occassion on television after marriage.
  • For the cameo in Bombay Velvet, you need a source that summarises multiple critics not just two as it's POV.
Removed.Krish | Talk 04:15, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Shab needs a source that proves it's filming.

Cowlibob (talk) 14:01, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Cowlibob: Done. Sorry for the delay, but I was very busy with my University exams. Coming to your points, her ninth film of 1994 was a cameo appearance, mentioned in Notes. And, rest tweaked, rephrased and corrected. Thanks. Krish | Talk 15:47, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To expand further on the referencing

  • Patthar Ke Phool character is "Kiran Khanna" according to the BH source. Also need to add an in line for the Filmfare Award.
  • Jeena Marna Tere Sang doesn't specify who the director is or if she appears in it.
Done.Krish | Talk 04:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pehla Nasha links to the BH source for Parampara.
Done.Krish | Talk 04:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kshatriya character name is listed as "Nilima" in BH.
  • Parampara director is listed as Naresh Malhotra, Yash Chopra, Uday Chopra in BH.
Done.Krish | Talk 04:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ratha Saradhi needs a better ref. Amazon can't be used.
  • Bangaru Bullodu ref only acts to verify that she appeared in it, not the director or name of role.
No sources available. Hence removed.Krish | Talk 04:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Zamane Se Kya Darna. Is there really no reference for what role she played in this film?
IMDb says her character was named "Anju Rajpal", how about using that info to find a reliable source to verify it?
Like IMDB is reliable. No way, there are no refrences for the role, hence Unknown.Krish | Talk 04:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Laadla BH ref specifies character is "Kajol". Needs in line for the Filmfare award
  • Mohra BH ref specifies character is "Roma Singh".
  • Main Khiladi Tu Anari ref just says she made a special appearance not that she played herself
Done.Krish | Talk 04:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sadhu. Any better refs than the director's website. It also doesn't specify her character's name as "Selvi".
No refrences, hence removed the role name.Krish | Talk 04:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Taqdeerwala. character name is "Lilly" according to BH. Director is "K. Murali Mohan Rao"
  • Zamaana Deewana. according to BH character is "Priya Singh".

I'll just stop there. Could you fix these and check for each film that all the details in the table are verified. Cowlibob (talk) 20:14, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Cowlibob: Done. Do you think it's my mistake that Bollywood Hungama doesn't write film details correctly? It's the only reliable sources for films as far as old films are concerned. I had added all names as per the films and what actually her character are named in.Krish | Talk 15:55, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Have struck comments that are resolved. Left comments that remain unresolved. Cowlibob (talk) 20:12, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There is no information about this film on internet. I have tried to cite it by it's DVD. So, it's obvious I'll cite an online store.Krish | Talk 15:51, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • DVD cover does not mention Lata Mangeshkar anywhere. What you are citing is a store which has no authority to list Lata as a director overriding DVD cover.
  • Also, looking at the comments above by Cowlibob, I got another question. Is BH a RS? If yes, provide a WP discussion concluding BH as a reliable source for the filmography. - Vivvt (Talk) 08:56, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nor is IndianTelevision.com reliable. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:33, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I know my job better than you Dharam (your work is just opposite of your name). Indiantelevision is as much reliable as other sources, they are behind Indian Telly Awards. So before posting your frivolous points, it would be better to do some research atleast. Don't you think? Krish | Talk 15:38, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Krish!: Hey. No personal attacks. We're here to build an encyclopedia, not a chat forum. We may get passionate about editing, but we should strive to act in an academic, collegiate manneer.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 07:32, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
About-us of this source says that they are "online Media, Advertising, Marketing & Satellite Television resource" and "Apart from conceiving and executing promotional campaingns targeted at the Media, Marketing & Television Trade online, it also offers similar services offline, thus providing clients with a 360 degree media service and marketing solution". Wikipedia does not promote such promotional websites; see WP:CITESPAM. And indiantelevision.com has previously also been questioned: on this FLC nom by User:The Rambling Man in 2013 and this FLC nom by User:Krimuk90 recently in June 2015. "Being behind" some award only means they can monetarily afford it but now also makes that award dubious. (I stand by my name.) §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:00, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Dharmadhyaksha: Indian Television is very much reliable souurce and since I don't want to waste my time arguing to prove that thing, I had replaced that source with another.Krish | Talk 16:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Birdienest81
  • "This was followed by a series of unsuccessful films which continued with her 1993 releases." I'm stil confused about why this sentence follows her 1991 film. What about "Continued" suggests that Jeena Marna Tere Sang was also unsuccessful.
  • Recently, using Amazon.com as a source in itself has come under scrutiny as a RS as discussed at the noticeboard. If there is no reliable source, I would consider dropping that film since you don't make mention of it in the lead or make reference on a specific number of how many films she made; Therefore it's not that big of a deal.

Otherwise, it looks better since Cowlibob last reviewed.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 06:34, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Birdienest81: Done and yes all her films from 1992 and 1993 were unsuccessful as per Box Office India. Thanks for the corrections. Krish | Talk 11:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 01:06, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • The spaced em dash in the first paragraph goes against the Manual of Style; try a smaller en dash here.
  • There should be a "which" before "though initially a box-office disappointment" for that sentence to be more grammatical.
  • Why is the TBA film sorting in the Year column before her earliest releases, when it will be released later than anything else currently in the table?
  • Several notes in the Television table need some words de-capitalized. Only the "Directed by" note should have anything after the first word capitalized.
  • Reference 3 needs a publisher. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:20, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Giants2008: Done and removed the Delayed/Not released film as there are no information about its release or whatever. Thanks for your inputs. Krish | Talk 11:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]


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