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Nominator(s): Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the ranking system used for the 2019-20 snooker season. I have split the main table into two as it was very long. Let me know what you think about this nomination. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Players' names in tables should sort based on surname, not forename -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:15, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This might take a while, as there is 128 people to update, unless there's an easier way? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:59, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Lee Vilenski: - any update on the above.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:31, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sorry about that, should now be sortable by last name. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • I think you may have missed a few, unfortunately. In the first table, Andy Lee still sorts under A and Jamie O'Neill under J...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:35, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• "contributing to a players world ranking" => "contributing to a player's world ranking"
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• "Originally, the world rankings were decided only based on" => "Originally, the world rankings were decided based only on"
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• "where he had over 500,000 point lead" => "where he had a lead of over 500,000 points"
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• "On these dates, ranking points from the 2017–18 snooker season are removed" => "On these dates, ranking points from the 2017–18 snooker season were removed"
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• "used to determine the seedings for preceding tournaments" - "preceding" means "previous/earlier", so that cannot be the right word here
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• One table has revisions 1-9 but then the next one suddenly also has 0 and 10.....?
  • Indeed, revision 0 is the one from the end of the prior season, and number 10 is the same, the one at the end of this season. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• "The names are sorted by the scores at the end of the season" => "The names are initially sorted by the scores at the end of the season" (because the user can re-sort them) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:31, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:57, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quick comments –

• Revision dates: "players" should be "player's" with the apostrophe.
• Not the biggest deal in the world, but the sources for this table are out of numerical order. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:58, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Consider opening the article with something like "The Snooker world rankings 2019/2020 were..."
  • I'm not the biggest fan of shoe-horning in the title of the article like this. I don't think it's an improvement. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Might be useful to include what a snooker season is in the lead.
  • reworded to get some. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Might be useful to include the start and end dates of the season in the lead.
  • I'm not sure this is neccesary, as we know it can change season on season. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I meant specifically for 2019/2020; or maybe something like "the season started with the x tourament in [month] and lasted until the end of the world championship in [month]. Not obligatory, as the dates are a click away at 2019–20 snooker season. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:39, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Consider adding a nav box to the previous and next years' rankings (in addition to the nav box at the end.)
  • I was thinking about creating an infobox for this, adding things like the season dates, number one player at the end of the season, and world champion etc. It's still something I'm playing with, but I don't think infoboxes are relevant for a FLC. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'd seen the nav thing at the top of Snooker world rankings 2017/2018, but I don't know whether that's an acceptable format. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:42, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Consider adding something about relegations, and possibly about promotions, to the World Snooker Tour based on ranking positions. (I'm not sure exactly how it worked or works, especially with multi-year tour cards and wild cards.)

• Did you consider this? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:39, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Weren't defending champions seeded first in tournaments?
  • They were, but finding an actual source that comments this is ridiculously difficult. Also, quite a few of the events didn't see the defending champion qualify (such as the German Masters, Players and Tour Championship). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • For German Masters, it looks like Zhao Xintong, who defeated defending champion Kyren Wilson, went to Wilson's place in the last 32, not that the draw was re-done after qualifying. But I take your point about sources for some of this stuff being unavailable. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:39, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• If defending champions were seeded first, amend "Seedings for each event were the world rankings" to say defending champions were top seeds and the rest were in list order.
  • Same deal as above, but also the world champion was also seeded at least second. It didn't show up much, as Trump was almost always number one. I have reworded to make it less definitive Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Is there a reason the images are different sizes? If not, I suggest making them the same as each other.
  • I think you'd have to crop one of the images to do that, and I'm not sure how you go about doing that Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:12, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi BennyOnTheLoose, did you have anything further for me? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:40, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not much...BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:39, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• "since the 1976" - either remove "the" or amend to which season it was.

• • done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:07, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Given that there aren't many independent sources cited specifically about the 2019/2020 rankings, I had a look at what Snooker Scene said when it published the end of season ranking list. There is a comment there that Trump's six ranking titles in a season was "unprecedented" and, amongst some other notes on individual players' ranking changes, that Mark Williams "experienced the sharpest decline among the elite, plummeting from third to tenth". Might be worth mentioning Trump's record-breaking season but I didn't see anything there or in a quick search of other news sources from August/September 2020 that was a significant omission from the article text. (No issues with offical WST/WPBSA sources for the stats details.)

• • I have added, with a different ranking. I'd be against talking about Williams, as they are just describing the top 16 players, and there were much bigger drops down the leaderboard than seven positions. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:07, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BennyOnTheLoose. All done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:07, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• The column header cells need to be marked with `scope=col`; currently you have `scope=column` in the first table and nothing in the second/third. Note that since you have subheader cells in the second table, those should get colscopes as well.
  • Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• The "primary" cell in each row needs to be marked with `scope=row` (e.g. `| 1` becomes `!scope=row| 1`); this combined with the colscopes allows screen reader software to accurately read out the table as a data table. --PresN 01:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • No worries PresN, I can do that. There's about 300 rows to do, so I'll get to work! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • It took me a bit of time, but I've now scoped these PresN/ Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FLC director and delegates: - was there anything more I'd need to do on this nomination? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I see both the images licenced appropriately. I'll suggest adding ALT text. Rest, Pass for image review. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:21, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:52, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Per your allusion to wanting some comments on WP:DISCORD, here I am. I won't be reviewing this thoroughly enough to !vote, but some quick comments:

• Ronnie O'Sullivan began the season as the highest ranked player, however, Judd Trump became world number one after winning the 2019 International Championship. Needs a semi-colon after "player" or player, but Judd, since it's otherwise two sentences spliced together. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• See MOS:SEASONS for "summer" in the footnote. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Normally the image would go below the hatnote, but I think the current layout is fine if you'd prefer it. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • moved Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• For the article title, MOS:SLASH normally advises against slashes. Could you speak to why you chose to use one here? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's due to this discussion Talk:Snooker world rankings 2019/2020#Requested move 15 January 2020. I can't say I have any feelings either way. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Last sentence of seeding lists intro is missing punctuation. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• I'm a little wary of the choice to use two separate tables for revisions 1–5 vs. 6–10. It works okayish on desktop, but what about mobile? I'm not sure if there's any perfect solution, since having the table extend off the page horizontally isn't desirable either, but just wanted to put it out for brainstorming. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, there is some discussions. I found that a big long table is much worse. I edit almost exclusively on mobile, and the table is easier to deal with as two tables. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• It seems like everyone who is listed is male. Are these rankings only for men's snooker, or do men just occupy all the top spots? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The WST is open to both genders, but the first time it had any female players was this season, they have now added qualification to the winner and runner-up of the Womens World Championship. However, this season was completely male. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• The non-Western names appear to sort correctly in the tables; nice going with that. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• World Professional Billiards and Snooker Association is wikilinked in the references as the publisher, but what about Sky News or Eurosport? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed, I dislike the linking of source names. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Personally, I very much prefer to link them (it helps readers verify the reliability of a source), but for FAC purposes, all that matters is that you're consistent. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's all for now. Best wishes with this FLC! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sdkb, I've left some replies. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looks all good to me! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@BennyOnTheLoose: I know your review was quite some time ago, but are you good with where the list is now? --PresN 01:47, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PresN. Yes, happy to support. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:59, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 14:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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